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1. 02:34 AM - Re: 100% stop (PHILLIPS I)
2. 03:09 AM - Re: Motor glider Wings (flyingphil2)
3. 05:58 AM - Re: 100% stop (Frans Veldman)
4. 06:13 AM - Re: 100% stop (Robert Borger)
5. 07:22 AM - Re: 100% stop (Trevpond@aol.com)
6. 08:56 AM - Re: 100% stop (Kevin Klinefelter)
7. 09:16 AM - Re: 100% stop (PHILLIPS I)
8. 10:24 AM - Re: 100% stop (Robert Borger)
9. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: Motor glider Wings (Richard Churchill-Coleman)
10. 12:27 PM - Sunshade (Martin Olliver)
11. 01:32 PM - Re: Sunshade (nigel henry)
12. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: Motor glider Wings (Ian Cook)
13. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: Motor glider Wings (Pete)
14. 11:45 PM - Re: Re: Motor glider Wings (Ian Cook)
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Hi guys
I used a stainless steel throttle plate that's easy to to make and fit and
with no moving parts to jam or break,
If you need the dimension's i will sort them out for you,
regards
Ivor
G-IVER
On 24 October 2011 22:09, Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com> wrote:
> Paul,
>
> I realize this answer is a bit tardy, but I have been all wrapped around
> the axle on other issues and never got around to an answer.
>
> I have a suggestion for your 100% throttle stops. They are called "sprin
g
> plungers" in the McMaster-Carr on-line catalog. Here is a picture of a s
et:
>
>
> From RIGHT to LEFT: Spring Plunger and Mounting Base, Spring Plunger
> partially screwed into the Mounting Base, Spring Plunger fully screwed in
to
> the Mounting Base, Mounting Base turned 180=BA showing the ball end of th
e
> Spring Plunger. The black thing is the Adjusting Wrench.
>
> I have not actually installed them yet, but I plan to give them a try onc
e
> I get the W/B issues associated with the tri-gear conversion sorted out a
nd
> things are running again.
>
> The plan is to establish the 100% point. Then installing one of these
> things one each side of the throttle plate so that the throttle hits the
> stop-ball at 100%. Then a good push should advance the throttle through
the
> spring plunger balls and on to 115%.
>
> These things come in a wide variety of shapes and sizes. Go to
> http://www.McMaster.com/ and they are about 1/3 of the way down the main
> contents page under "Fabricating" -- "Clamping and Positioning"
>
> Good luck.
>
> Blue skies & tailwinds,
> Bob Borger
> http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
> Europa XS, Short Wing, Intercooled Rotax 914
> rlborger@mac.com
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2009, at 3:30 PM, europa@pstewart.f2s.com wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Has anyone got any pics of cunning ways to make a 100% throttle stop fo
r
> the
> > 914?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Motor glider Wings |
That's an interesting question. Has the Europa motor glider ever been flown by
any gliding pundits and reviewed? I've not seen any.
Also, I seem to remember John or Roger at Europa telling me that that the forward
pin on the Classic wing would need moving (to the XS position????) in order
to take the glider wing. I could be wrong but check that with the people that
know. I'm sure Roger said there was a procedure in progress for it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355932#355932
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On 10/25/2011 11:30 AM, PHILLIPS I wrote:
> Hi guys
> I used a stainless steel throttle plate that's easy to to make and fit
> and with no moving parts to jam or break,
Same here. Works perfect, and doesn't add any unnecessary weight and
complexity.
Frans
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Ivor & Frans,
A Picture please!
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Oct 25, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Frans Veldman wrote:
>
> On 10/25/2011 11:30 AM, PHILLIPS I wrote:
>> Hi guys
>> I used a stainless steel throttle plate that's easy to to make and fit
>> and with no moving parts to jam or break,
>
> Same here. Works perfect, and doesn't add any unnecessary weight and complexity.
>
> Frans
>
>
>
>
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Me too, a plate is the way to go!
Trev
G-LINN
In a message dated 25/10/2011 14:13:26 GMT Daylight Time, rlborger@mac.com
writes:
--> Europa-List message posted by: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
Ivor & Frans,
A Picture please!
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Oct 25, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Frans Veldman wrote:
>
> On 10/25/2011 11:30 AM, PHILLIPS I wrote:
>> Hi guys
>> I used a stainless steel throttle plate that's easy to to make and fit
>> and with no moving parts to jam or break,
>
> Same here. Works perfect, and doesn't add any unnecessary weight and
complexity.
>
> Frans
>
>
>
>
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I made a plate out of 1/16" phenolic sheet that mounts under the cover
plate. The screw holes are elongated to make it adjustable. The throttle
lever only touches the phenolic, so it feels smooth.
Kevin
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:19 AM, <Trevpond@aol.com> wrote:
> **
> Me too, a plate is the way to go!
>
> Trev
> G-LINN
>
> In a message dated 25/10/2011 14:13:26 GMT Daylight Time,
> rlborger@mac.com writes:
>
>
> Ivor & Frans,
>
> A Picture please!
>
> Bob Borger
> Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
> Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
> Cel: 817-992-1117
> rlborger@mac.com
>
> On Oct 25, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Frans Veldman wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 10/25/2011 11:30 AM, PHILLIPS I wrote:
> >> Hi guys
> >> I used a stainless steel throttle plate that's easy to to make and fit
> >> and with no moving parts to jam or break,
> >
> > Same here. Works perfect, and doesn't add any unnecessary weight and
> complexity.
> >
> > Frans
> >
> >
> >
> > the ies ay - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List
> Contribution Web Site p;
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Hi Bob
Picture is included in my first post,
regards
ivor
On 25 October 2011 14:09, Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Ivor & Frans,
>
> A Picture please!
>
> Bob Borger
> Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
> Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
> Cel: 817-992-1117
> rlborger@mac.com
>
> On Oct 25, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Frans Veldman wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 10/25/2011 11:30 AM, PHILLIPS I wrote:
> >> Hi guys
> >> I used a stainless steel throttle plate that's easy to to make and fit
> >> and with no moving parts to jam or break,
> >
> > Same here. Works perfect, and doesn't add any unnecessary weight and
> complexity.
> >
> > Frans
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Ivor,
OK, went back to the e-mail and waited long enough for the picture to download
this time.
Thanks!
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Oct 25, 2011, at 11:13 AM, PHILLIPS I wrote:
> Hi Bob
> Picture is included in my first post,
> regards
> ivor
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| Subject: | Re: Motor glider Wings |
Phil
There is a review in Today's Pilot, Issue 21, July 2002 - it sits in the
smallest room of my house for regular perusal and motivational purposes -
sadly, the motivation effect is somewhat negated by the glacial speed of the
factory in resolving the last few issues with the Motor Glider certification
in the UK!
Richard C-C
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyingphil2
Sent: 25 October 2011 11:06
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings
That's an interesting question. Has the Europa motor glider ever been flown
by any gliding pundits and reviewed? I've not seen any.
Also, I seem to remember John or Roger at Europa telling me that that the
forward pin on the Classic wing would need moving (to the XS position????)
in order to take the glider wing. I could be wrong but check that with the
people that know. I'm sure Roger said there was a procedure in progress for
it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355932#355932
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I have been thinking about fitting a Koger sunshade to my Europa to use on the
odd day of sunshine that passes for summer in the UK! One of the benefits of the
Koger is that it will reflect sunlight with the silvered finish.
Fitting should not be a problem as the company can supply a bolt on type as against
the double sided tape which is the standard fitting method.
My main worry is the clearance at head height, this for me is limited at best.
The other thing is to ensure that the sunshade retracts well behind the door openings
to ensure ease of entry / exit of crew.
Any one with any experience of this type of sunshade and it's possible down side?
Photos of sunshades can be found by google "Koger sunshades"
Thank you.
Martin.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355979#355979
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forget blinds use solar film so you can see the plane that might be above l
ots of options xxxx Nigel
or my LAA baseball Cap and glasses
> Subject: Europa-List: Sunshade
> From: martflynut@aol.com
> Date: Tue=2C 25 Oct 2011 12:25:11 -0700
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I have been thinking about fitting a Koger sunshade to my Europa to use o
n the odd day of sunshine that passes for summer in the UK! One of the bene
fits of the Koger is that it will reflect sunlight with the silvered finish
.
> Fitting should not be a problem as the company can supply a bolt on type
as against the double sided tape which is the standard fitting method.
> My main worry is the clearance at head height=2C this for me is limited a
t best.
> The other thing is to ensure that the sunshade retracts well behind the d
oor openings to ensure ease of entry / exit of crew.
> Any one with any experience of this type of sunshade and it's possible do
wn side?
> Photos of sunshades can be found by google "Koger sunshades"
> Thank you.
> Martin.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355979#355979
>
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| Subject: | Re: Motor glider Wings |
Hi Guys,
Just to let you know we only have to do one more spinning
sortie to complete the UK Motor Glider Flight Test Programme. There will of
course be a further delay while all the data is analysed by the LAA but it
should all be finished before the end of the year.
Regards
Ian Cook
G-CBHI
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Churchill-Coleman
Sent: 25 October 2011 8:23 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings
--> <richard.churchill-coleman@sky.com>
Phil
There is a review in Today's Pilot, Issue 21, July 2002 - it sits in the
smallest room of my house for regular perusal and motivational purposes -
sadly, the motivation effect is somewhat negated by the glacial speed of the
factory in resolving the last few issues with the Motor Glider certification
in the UK!
Richard C-C
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyingphil2
Sent: 25 October 2011 11:06
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings
That's an interesting question. Has the Europa motor glider ever been flown
by any gliding pundits and reviewed? I've not seen any.
Also, I seem to remember John or Roger at Europa telling me that that the
forward pin on the Classic wing would need moving (to the XS position????)
in order to take the glider wing. I could be wrong but check that with the
people that know. I'm sure Roger said there was a procedure in progress for
it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355932#355932
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| Subject: | Re: Motor glider Wings |
Hi Ian,
As it sounds as though there have already been in tests done, how does it it spin
and recover?
Any surprises?
Cheers and thx,
Pete
A239 (both wings)
On Oct 25, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Ian Cook <iancook_1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
> Just to let you know we only have to do one more spinning
> sortie to complete the UK Motor Glider Flight Test Programme. There will of
> course be a further delay while all the data is analysed by the LAA but it
> should all be finished before the end of the year.
>
> Regards
>
> Ian Cook
> G-CBHI
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Churchill-Coleman
> Sent: 25 October 2011 8:23 PM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings
>
> --> <richard.churchill-coleman@sky.com>
>
> Phil
>
> There is a review in Today's Pilot, Issue 21, July 2002 - it sits in the
> smallest room of my house for regular perusal and motivational purposes -
> sadly, the motivation effect is somewhat negated by the glacial speed of the
> factory in resolving the last few issues with the Motor Glider certification
> in the UK!
>
> Richard C-C
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyingphil2
> Sent: 25 October 2011 11:06
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings
>
>
> That's an interesting question. Has the Europa motor glider ever been flown
> by any gliding pundits and reviewed? I've not seen any.
>
> Also, I seem to remember John or Roger at Europa telling me that that the
> forward pin on the Classic wing would need moving (to the XS position????)
> in order to take the glider wing. I could be wrong but check that with the
> people that know. I'm sure Roger said there was a procedure in progress for
> it.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355932#355932
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Motor glider Wings |
Hi Pete,
The flying aspects of the Forward and Mid C of G spin cases are
complete with some analysis work to be done before going onto the Aft C of G
case. From the quick review of data to date, all OK so far with NO
unexpected results.
Ian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Sent: 26 October 2011 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings
Hi Ian,
As it sounds as though there have already been in tests done, how does it it
spin and recover?
Any surprises?
Cheers and thx,
Pete
A239 (both wings)
On Oct 25, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Ian Cook <iancook_1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
> Just to let you know we only have to do one more spinning
> sortie to complete the UK Motor Glider Flight Test Programme. There
> will of course be a further delay while all the data is analysed by
> the LAA but it should all be finished before the end of the year.
>
> Regards
>
> Ian Cook
> G-CBHI
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Churchill-Coleman
> Sent: 25 October 2011 8:23 PM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings
>
> --> <richard.churchill-coleman@sky.com>
>
> Phil
>
> There is a review in Today's Pilot, Issue 21, July 2002 - it sits in
> the smallest room of my house for regular perusal and motivational
> purposes - sadly, the motivation effect is somewhat negated by the
> glacial speed of the factory in resolving the last few issues with the
> Motor Glider certification in the UK!
>
> Richard C-C
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> flyingphil2
> Sent: 25 October 2011 11:06
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings
>
> --> <ptiller@lolacars.com>
>
> That's an interesting question. Has the Europa motor glider ever been
> flown by any gliding pundits and reviewed? I've not seen any.
>
> Also, I seem to remember John or Roger at Europa telling me that that
> the forward pin on the Classic wing would need moving (to the XS
> position????) in order to take the glider wing. I could be wrong but
> check that with the people that know. I'm sure Roger said there was a
> procedure in progress for it.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355932#355932
>
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