---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/25/11: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:34 AM - Re: 100% stop (PHILLIPS I) 2. 03:09 AM - Re: Motor glider Wings (flyingphil2) 3. 05:58 AM - Re: 100% stop (Frans Veldman) 4. 06:13 AM - Re: 100% stop (Robert Borger) 5. 07:22 AM - Re: 100% stop (Trevpond@aol.com) 6. 08:56 AM - Re: 100% stop (Kevin Klinefelter) 7. 09:16 AM - Re: 100% stop (PHILLIPS I) 8. 10:24 AM - Re: 100% stop (Robert Borger) 9. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: Motor glider Wings (Richard Churchill-Coleman) 10. 12:27 PM - Sunshade (Martin Olliver) 11. 01:32 PM - Re: Sunshade (nigel henry) 12. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: Motor glider Wings (Ian Cook) 13. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: Motor glider Wings (Pete) 14. 11:45 PM - Re: Re: Motor glider Wings (Ian Cook) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: 100% stop From: PHILLIPS I Hi guys I used a stainless steel throttle plate that's easy to to make and fit and with no moving parts to jam or break, If you need the dimension's i will sort them out for you, regards Ivor G-IVER On 24 October 2011 22:09, Robert Borger wrote: > Paul, > > I realize this answer is a bit tardy, but I have been all wrapped around > the axle on other issues and never got around to an answer. > > I have a suggestion for your 100% throttle stops. They are called "sprin g > plungers" in the McMaster-Carr on-line catalog. Here is a picture of a s et: > > > From RIGHT to LEFT: Spring Plunger and Mounting Base, Spring Plunger > partially screwed into the Mounting Base, Spring Plunger fully screwed in to > the Mounting Base, Mounting Base turned 180=BA showing the ball end of th e > Spring Plunger. The black thing is the Adjusting Wrench. > > I have not actually installed them yet, but I plan to give them a try onc e > I get the W/B issues associated with the tri-gear conversion sorted out a nd > things are running again. > > The plan is to establish the 100% point. Then installing one of these > things one each side of the throttle plate so that the throttle hits the > stop-ball at 100%. Then a good push should advance the throttle through the > spring plunger balls and on to 115%. > > These things come in a wide variety of shapes and sizes. Go to > http://www.McMaster.com/ and they are about 1/3 of the way down the main > contents page under "Fabricating" -- "Clamping and Positioning" > > Good luck. > > Blue skies & tailwinds, > Bob Borger > http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL > Europa XS, Short Wing, Intercooled Rotax 914 > rlborger@mac.com > Cel: 817-992-1117 > > > On Jun 1, 2009, at 3:30 PM, europa@pstewart.f2s.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Has anyone got any pics of cunning ways to make a 100% throttle stop fo r > the > > 914? > > > > Regards > > > > > > Paul > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:20 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings From: "flyingphil2" That's an interesting question. Has the Europa motor glider ever been flown by any gliding pundits and reviewed? I've not seen any. Also, I seem to remember John or Roger at Europa telling me that that the forward pin on the Classic wing would need moving (to the XS position????) in order to take the glider wing. I could be wrong but check that with the people that know. I'm sure Roger said there was a procedure in progress for it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355932#355932 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:32 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: 100% stop On 10/25/2011 11:30 AM, PHILLIPS I wrote: > Hi guys > I used a stainless steel throttle plate that's easy to to make and fit > and with no moving parts to jam or break, Same here. Works perfect, and doesn't add any unnecessary weight and complexity. Frans ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: 100% stop From: Robert Borger Ivor & Frans, A Picture please! Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Oct 25, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Frans Veldman wrote: > > On 10/25/2011 11:30 AM, PHILLIPS I wrote: >> Hi guys >> I used a stainless steel throttle plate that's easy to to make and fit >> and with no moving parts to jam or break, > > Same here. Works perfect, and doesn't add any unnecessary weight and complexity. > > Frans > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:44 AM PST US From: Trevpond@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: 100% stop Me too, a plate is the way to go! Trev G-LINN In a message dated 25/10/2011 14:13:26 GMT Daylight Time, rlborger@mac.com writes: --> Europa-List message posted by: Robert Borger Ivor & Frans, A Picture please! Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Oct 25, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Frans Veldman wrote: > > On 10/25/2011 11:30 AM, PHILLIPS I wrote: >> Hi guys >> I used a stainless steel throttle plate that's easy to to make and fit >> and with no moving parts to jam or break, > > Same here. Works perfect, and doesn't add any unnecessary weight and complexity. > > Frans > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: 100% stop From: Kevin Klinefelter I made a plate out of 1/16" phenolic sheet that mounts under the cover plate. The screw holes are elongated to make it adjustable. The throttle lever only touches the phenolic, so it feels smooth. Kevin On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:19 AM, wrote: > ** > Me too, a plate is the way to go! > > Trev > G-LINN > > In a message dated 25/10/2011 14:13:26 GMT Daylight Time, > rlborger@mac.com writes: > > > Ivor & Frans, > > A Picture please! > > Bob Borger > Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. > Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP > 3705 Lynchburg Dr. > Corinth, TX 76208-5331 > Cel: 817-992-1117 > rlborger@mac.com > > On Oct 25, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Frans Veldman wrote: > > > > > > > On 10/25/2011 11:30 AM, PHILLIPS I wrote: > >> Hi guys > >> I used a stainless steel throttle plate that's easy to to make and fit > >> and with no moving parts to jam or break, > > > > Same here. Works perfect, and doesn't add any unnecessary weight and > complexity. > > > > Frans > > > > > > > > the ies ay - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List > Contribution Web Site p; > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: 100% stop From: PHILLIPS I Hi Bob Picture is included in my first post, regards ivor On 25 October 2011 14:09, Robert Borger wrote: > > Ivor & Frans, > > A Picture please! > > Bob Borger > Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. > Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP > 3705 Lynchburg Dr. > Corinth, TX 76208-5331 > Cel: 817-992-1117 > rlborger@mac.com > > On Oct 25, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Frans Veldman wrote: > > > > > > > On 10/25/2011 11:30 AM, PHILLIPS I wrote: > >> Hi guys > >> I used a stainless steel throttle plate that's easy to to make and fit > >> and with no moving parts to jam or break, > > > > Same here. Works perfect, and doesn't add any unnecessary weight and > complexity. > > > > Frans > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: 100% stop From: Robert Borger Ivor, OK, went back to the e-mail and waited long enough for the picture to download this time. Thanks! Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Oct 25, 2011, at 11:13 AM, PHILLIPS I wrote: > Hi Bob > Picture is included in my first post, > regards > ivor ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:46 PM PST US From: "Richard Churchill-Coleman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings Phil There is a review in Today's Pilot, Issue 21, July 2002 - it sits in the smallest room of my house for regular perusal and motivational purposes - sadly, the motivation effect is somewhat negated by the glacial speed of the factory in resolving the last few issues with the Motor Glider certification in the UK! Richard C-C -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyingphil2 Sent: 25 October 2011 11:06 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings That's an interesting question. Has the Europa motor glider ever been flown by any gliding pundits and reviewed? I've not seen any. Also, I seem to remember John or Roger at Europa telling me that that the forward pin on the Classic wing would need moving (to the XS position????) in order to take the glider wing. I could be wrong but check that with the people that know. I'm sure Roger said there was a procedure in progress for it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355932#355932 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:26 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Sunshade From: "Martin Olliver" I have been thinking about fitting a Koger sunshade to my Europa to use on the odd day of sunshine that passes for summer in the UK! One of the benefits of the Koger is that it will reflect sunlight with the silvered finish. Fitting should not be a problem as the company can supply a bolt on type as against the double sided tape which is the standard fitting method. My main worry is the clearance at head height, this for me is limited at best. The other thing is to ensure that the sunshade retracts well behind the door openings to ensure ease of entry / exit of crew. Any one with any experience of this type of sunshade and it's possible down side? Photos of sunshades can be found by google "Koger sunshades" Thank you. Martin. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355979#355979 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:17 PM PST US From: nigel henry Subject: RE: Europa-List: Sunshade forget blinds use solar film so you can see the plane that might be above l ots of options xxxx Nigel or my LAA baseball Cap and glasses > Subject: Europa-List: Sunshade > From: martflynut@aol.com > Date: Tue=2C 25 Oct 2011 12:25:11 -0700 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > I have been thinking about fitting a Koger sunshade to my Europa to use o n the odd day of sunshine that passes for summer in the UK! One of the bene fits of the Koger is that it will reflect sunlight with the silvered finish . > Fitting should not be a problem as the company can supply a bolt on type as against the double sided tape which is the standard fitting method. > My main worry is the clearance at head height=2C this for me is limited a t best. > The other thing is to ensure that the sunshade retracts well behind the d oor openings to ensure ease of entry / exit of crew. > Any one with any experience of this type of sunshade and it's possible do wn side? > Photos of sunshades can be found by google "Koger sunshades" > Thank you. > Martin. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355979#355979 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:55 PM PST US From: Ian Cook Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings Hi Guys, Just to let you know we only have to do one more spinning sortie to complete the UK Motor Glider Flight Test Programme. There will of course be a further delay while all the data is analysed by the LAA but it should all be finished before the end of the year. Regards Ian Cook G-CBHI -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Churchill-Coleman Sent: 25 October 2011 8:23 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings --> Phil There is a review in Today's Pilot, Issue 21, July 2002 - it sits in the smallest room of my house for regular perusal and motivational purposes - sadly, the motivation effect is somewhat negated by the glacial speed of the factory in resolving the last few issues with the Motor Glider certification in the UK! Richard C-C -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyingphil2 Sent: 25 October 2011 11:06 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings That's an interesting question. Has the Europa motor glider ever been flown by any gliding pundits and reviewed? I've not seen any. Also, I seem to remember John or Roger at Europa telling me that that the forward pin on the Classic wing would need moving (to the XS position????) in order to take the glider wing. I could be wrong but check that with the people that know. I'm sure Roger said there was a procedure in progress for it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355932#355932 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:56:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings From: Pete Hi Ian, As it sounds as though there have already been in tests done, how does it it spin and recover? Any surprises? Cheers and thx, Pete A239 (both wings) On Oct 25, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Ian Cook wrote: > > Hi Guys, > Just to let you know we only have to do one more spinning > sortie to complete the UK Motor Glider Flight Test Programme. There will of > course be a further delay while all the data is analysed by the LAA but it > should all be finished before the end of the year. > > Regards > > Ian Cook > G-CBHI > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Churchill-Coleman > Sent: 25 October 2011 8:23 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings > > --> > > Phil > > There is a review in Today's Pilot, Issue 21, July 2002 - it sits in the > smallest room of my house for regular perusal and motivational purposes - > sadly, the motivation effect is somewhat negated by the glacial speed of the > factory in resolving the last few issues with the Motor Glider certification > in the UK! > > Richard C-C > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyingphil2 > Sent: 25 October 2011 11:06 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings > > > That's an interesting question. Has the Europa motor glider ever been flown > by any gliding pundits and reviewed? I've not seen any. > > Also, I seem to remember John or Roger at Europa telling me that that the > forward pin on the Classic wing would need moving (to the XS position????) > in order to take the glider wing. I could be wrong but check that with the > people that know. I'm sure Roger said there was a procedure in progress for > it. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355932#355932 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:49 PM PST US From: Ian Cook Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings Hi Pete, The flying aspects of the Forward and Mid C of G spin cases are complete with some analysis work to be done before going onto the Aft C of G case. From the quick review of data to date, all OK so far with NO unexpected results. Ian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Sent: 26 October 2011 12:04 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings Hi Ian, As it sounds as though there have already been in tests done, how does it it spin and recover? Any surprises? Cheers and thx, Pete A239 (both wings) On Oct 25, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Ian Cook wrote: > > Hi Guys, > Just to let you know we only have to do one more spinning > sortie to complete the UK Motor Glider Flight Test Programme. There > will of course be a further delay while all the data is analysed by > the LAA but it should all be finished before the end of the year. > > Regards > > Ian Cook > G-CBHI > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Churchill-Coleman > Sent: 25 October 2011 8:23 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings > > --> > > Phil > > There is a review in Today's Pilot, Issue 21, July 2002 - it sits in > the smallest room of my house for regular perusal and motivational > purposes - sadly, the motivation effect is somewhat negated by the > glacial speed of the factory in resolving the last few issues with the > Motor Glider certification in the UK! > > Richard C-C > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > flyingphil2 > Sent: 25 October 2011 11:06 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings > > --> > > That's an interesting question. Has the Europa motor glider ever been > flown by any gliding pundits and reviewed? I've not seen any. > > Also, I seem to remember John or Roger at Europa telling me that that > the forward pin on the Classic wing would need moving (to the XS > position????) in order to take the glider wing. I could be wrong but > check that with the people that know. I'm sure Roger said there was a > procedure in progress for it. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355932#355932 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.