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1. 06:37 AM - Fw: Mod 78 (Bud Yerly)
2. 07:54 AM - door warp (egp8111)
3. 09:06 AM - Re: Fw: Mod 78 (Peter Zutrauen)
4. 01:57 PM - Re: door warp (Neville Eyre)
5. 03:01 PM - Re: Re: Motor glider Wings (Neville Eyre)
6. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: Motor glider Wings (Frans Veldman)
7. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: Motor glider Wings (Neville Eyre)
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Resent from Laptop as original did not send.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bud Yerly<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>
Anderson<mailto:djaflyact@gmail.com> ; Jim and Heather
Butcher<mailto:butcher43@att.net> ; Karen
Ward<mailto:karen.ward@swiftaircraft.co.uk> ; Kim
Prout<mailto:KPAVIAT@gmail.com> ; Laurie
Ryan<mailto:larrypad@bigpond.net.au> ; Ronald
Parigoris<mailto:rparigor@hotmail.com> ; Homer
Baker<mailto:bakersc@embarqmail.com> ; George
Reed<mailto:gtr2btr@bellsouth.net> ; Gary
Leinberger<mailto:gleinberger@millersville.edu> ; Karl
Heindl<mailto:kheindl@msn.com> ; william
maher<mailto:wmtruebrit@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:27 AM
Subject: Mod 78
Motor Glider Owners
We are pleased to advise that Mod 78 is now available, and will be ready
to ship.
To help with the cost of shipping we will dispatch the kits from the
Factory direct, as packaging and shipping will include the tooling.
Payment will be via credit card or wire transfer to Europa Aircraft
only.
Our current prices for the Mods are:
Option 1 - Parts & Tooling : GBP =A3869.14
Option 2 - Parts, Tooling & Resin Kit : GBP =A31163.74
Option 3 - Additional 2 off Wing Forward Pins (W25M78) for XS wings :
GBP =A396.74
Please note that delivery charges are not included in the above quoted
prices. If Option 2 is taken, 'Hazardous Goods' carriage charges will
apply. For those choosing Option 1 in our USA Agent Custom Flight
Creations has secured a glue supplier for the Ampreg 21 which will
greatly reduce the Hazardous Goods charges verses shipping from the UK
via air. Approximate costs for the Ampreg via Custom Flight Creations
are below:
F121-034 AMPREG21 RESIN 10KG ea. $160
F121-036 AMPREG21 HARD STD 3.33KG ea. $ 110
The Factory will require a 50% deposit at the time of order from your
credit card for the Mod, with the balance settled prior to shipping the
kits.
I attach for your information the Bill of Materials for Mod 78 and
Option 1 and 2 for your review.
We look forward to your orders via phone or email.
Many thanks and best regards,
Karen Ward, Europa Center: +44 (0)1751 431773 email:
enquiries@europa-aircraft.com<mailto:enquiries@europa-aircraft.com>
Bud Yerly, Custom Flight Creations: 813-653-4989 email:
budyerly@msn.com<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>
Europa Tech support.
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My mono wheel has been sitting up for an extended period in a warm climate and
the top rear corners of the doors have warped up slightly from where the gas struts
pushed on them. (orginal strut position). Anyone have any suggestions on
how I might get the corners back down to the orginal shape ?
thanks
Skip
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356092#356092
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Hi Bud,
Will there be opportunity to share the jig/tooling to reduce our costs?
(there are three sets of long wings up here in eastern Canada).
Cheers & thx,
Pete
A239
Ottawa
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
> **
> Resent from Laptop as original did not send.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
> *To:* europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com> ; Dave Anderson<djaflyact@g
mail.com>; Jim
> and Heather Butcher <butcher43@att.net> ; Karen Ward<karen.ward@swiftairc
raft.co.uk>; Kim
> Prout <KPAVIAT@gmail.com> ; Laurie Ryan <larrypad@bigpond.net.au> ; Ronal
d
> Parigoris <rparigor@hotmail.com> ; Homer Baker <bakersc@embarqmail.com> ;
George
> Reed <gtr2btr@bellsouth.net> ; Gary Leinberger<gleinberger@millersville.e
du>; Karl
> Heindl <kheindl@msn.com> ; william maher <wmtruebrit@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:27 AM
> *Subject:* Mod 78
>
> Motor Glider Owners
>
> We are pleased to advise that Mod 78 is now available, and will be ready
to
> ship.
> To help with the cost of shipping we will dispatch the kits from the
> Factory direct, as packaging and shipping will include the tooling. Paym
ent
> will be via credit card or wire transfer to Europa Aircraft only.
> Our current prices for the Mods are:
> Option 1 - Parts & Tooling : GBP =A3869.14
> Option 2 - Parts, Tooling & Resin Kit : GBP =A31163.74
> Option 3 - Additional 2 off Wing Forward Pins (W25M78) for XS wings : GBP
> =A396.74
>
> Please note that delivery charges are not included in the above quoted
> prices. If Option 2 is taken, 'Hazardous Goods' carriage charges will
> apply. For those choosing Option 1 in our USA Agent Custom Flight
> Creations has secured a glue supplier for the Ampreg 21 which will greatl
y
> reduce the Hazardous Goods charges verses shipping from the UK via air.
> Approximate costs for the Ampreg via Custom Flight Creations are below:
>
> F121-034 AMPREG21 RESIN 10KG ea. $160 F121-036 AMPREG21 HARD
> STD 3.33KG ea. $ 110
>
>
> The Factory will require a 50% deposit at the time of order from your
> credit card for the Mod, with the balance settled prior to shipping the
> kits.
>
> I attach for your information the Bill of Materials for Mod 78 and Option
1
> and 2 for your review.
>
> We look forward to your orders via phone or email.
>
> Many thanks and best regards,
> Karen Ward, Europa Center: +44 (0)1751 431773 email:
> enquiries@europa-aircraft.com
> Bud Yerly, Custom Flight Creations: 813-653-4989 email: budyerly@msn.com
> Europa Tech support.
>
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Hi Skip,
Weights [ shot or sand bag] on the door corners will in time recover the do
ors to original shape, I have also used a luggage strap around the fuselage
with local wood [ 3'' long 1'' x 2''] intensifiers to do the same job.
Taking the gas struts off will speed up the recovery, but take care if you
have the plastic ball joint sockets as they can only be sprung off a few ti
mes before they come too loose.
Leave the plane out in the sun, let it come back slowly, could take weeks !
Cheers,
Nev.
-----Original Message-----
From: egp8111 <egp8111@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:55
Subject: Europa-List: door warp
My mono wheel has been sitting up for an extended period in a warm climate
and
he top rear corners of the doors have warped up slightly from where the gas
truts pushed on them. (orginal strut position). Anyone have any suggestion
s on
ow I might get the corners back down to the orginal shape ?
thanks
kip
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| Subject: | Re: Motor glider Wings |
Hi,
The XS lift pins are [ from memory ] 1/2'' lower than the Classic.
Remove the pins with heat and Mole grips [ with a cloth wrap if you are goi
ng to re use the pins].Mask the root rib with thick card and alloy foil, ge
t the pin hot quick, and quench the root rib with a wet towel ASAP.
Grind the Bid off the face of the alloy plate stack with a B&D Fingerfile,
keep grinding on the alloy to get heat into the plate, ping it off with a c
hisel. Keep going on the next two lots of Bid and plates.
Feather and scuff sand the glass lay up on the root rib.
Replace 3 new plates as per Manual.[XS] Drill / Tap for the pins as per Man
ual.
Fuselage;
Cut away the vertical stiffener [ foam / glass ] inside the cockpit, behind
the lift socket.
Unbolt the lift socket from the fuselage, sweat off with heat.
The ''neat'' way now is to grind through the glass lay ups on the inside t
o expose the alloy plate imbedded in the fuselage, and with the fingerfile
sander, get heat into the alloy and dig that out, then replace the alloy /
glass........ easy way is to fill the three holes with flox, a 4 Bid patch
over the original plate, another plate , 4 Bid over the top of the plate, r
efer to Manual for the original instruction, usual deal regarding scuff san
ding / flox etc....
Fitting the socket to the fuselage is as per Manual, but it is a lot easier
as with the drag pins engaged, and the spar pins in, there is no incedence
setting to do.
Replace the foam core that was removed, repair the stiffener skin, overlapp
ing at least 2'' onto the original.
Sounds drastic, but not as bad as you might think.
-----Original Message-----
From: flyingphil2 <ptiller@lolacars.com>
Sent: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:09
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings
That's an interesting question. Has the Europa motor glider ever been flow
n by
ny gliding pundits and reviewed? I've not seen any.
Also, I seem to remember John or Roger at Europa telling me that that the
orward pin on the Classic wing would need moving (to the XS position????) i
n
rder to take the glider wing. I could be wrong but check that with the peo
ple
hat know. I'm sure Roger said there was a procedure in progress for it.
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| Subject: | Re: Motor glider Wings |
On 10/27/2011 11:58 PM, Neville Eyre wrote:
> The XS lift pins are [ from memory ] 1/2'' lower than the Classic.
When I was building my Europa I understood that it is possible to have
both sets of wings and swap them as desired, and I anticipated for doing
that in the future.
Is this still possible? From your description it looks like you have to
relocate the lift sockets???? So you can't have both sets of wings and
interchange them?
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Motor glider Wings |
Hi Frans,
Whichever wing that is fitted second[ MG or short] has to be retro fitted t
o have the same pin positions as the first wing.[ using the drilling bushes
I devised back then].
The original position of the forward Lift Pin on the Classic wing is too hi
gh to stay within
the Airfoil Section of the MG Wing..... if you have XS wings you will not n
eed to change the lift or drag socket positions, if you have Classic wings,
the front pins and sockets will need to be lowered THEN you custom fit the
pins into the MG wings to suit EXACTLY where the sockets are in YOUR parti
cular fuselage.
Cheers,
Nev.
-----Original Message-----
From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
Sent: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:21
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Motor glider Wings
On 10/27/2011 11:58 PM, Neville Eyre wrote:
The XS lift pins are [ from memory ] 1/2'' lower than the Classic.
When I was building my Europa I understood that it is possible to have
oth sets of wings and swap them as desired, and I anticipated for doing
hat in the future.
s this still possible? From your description it looks like you have to
elocate the lift sockets???? So you can't have both sets of wings and
nterchange them?
Frans
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