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0. 12:15 AM - Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists (Matt Dralle)
1. 04:14 AM - EURO02 part supplied wrong (Rowland Carson)
2. 08:01 AM - Re: Europa Finger Brakes (Carl Meek)
3. 08:37 AM - Re: EURO02 part supplied wrong (Jan de Jong)
4. 09:03 AM - Tie down points (Max Cointe)
5. 09:36 AM - Re: Tie down points (Bob Harrison)
6. 09:40 AM - Re: Europa Finger Brakes (PHILLIPS I)
7. 09:49 AM - Re: EURO02 part supplied wrong (flyingphil2)
8. 09:49 AM - Re: EURO02 part supplied wrong (flyingphil2)
9. 09:57 AM - Re: Tie down points (kees de bussy)
10. 10:30 AM - Re: Tie down points (Jeff B)
11. 10:41 AM - Re: EURO02 part supplied wrong (Greg Fuchs)
12. 11:18 AM - Re: Tie down points (Bob Harrison)
13. 01:38 PM - Re: Europa Finger Brakes (Neville Eyre)
14. 02:27 PM - Re: Europa Finger Brakes (Richard Wheelwright)
15. 02:42 PM - Re: EURO02 part supplied wrong (Rowland Carson)
16. 04:04 PM - Re: Europa Finger Brakes (Frans Veldman)
17. 04:20 PM - Re: Europa Finger Brakes (Kingsley Hurst)
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Subject: | EURO02 part supplied wrong |
I'm just about to assemble the pitch push-rod, but I find that the EURO02 parts
supplied are not as required. The parts list calls out set-screws (ie fully-threaded)
but what's in the (as yet unopened) packet is bolts (ie part-threaded).
It will be impossible to use these for the pushrod ends as the check nuts need
to run right down near the heads to lock onto the CS17 parts.
I've phoned the factory but am getting no answer. If I don't get a reply to my
message soon, does anyone know what the specification of the 5/16"-24 x 2" set-screws
is? I suspect they are not just off-the-shelf UNF but may be HT or other
higher spec.
in friendship
Rowland
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Subject: | Re: Europa Finger Brakes |
Thanks for the advice, I've just come from the airfield having done a bit
more investigation.
Attached is a picture of my master cylinder, apparently it's a "New Jamar
finger brake controller all filled with DOT5.1 fluid filled from the wheels
as per the build book"
Apparently I have "Matco 5 inch discs on the wheels with new seals fitted."
I just popped the cover off the levers to look at the master cylinders and
there are A LOT of very large bubbles in the left hand tube leading out of
the master cylinder.
I have just bought a bleeding kit and some 5.1 and will try to sort it out
tomorrow, I'm just worried there is a leak or something =AD as it was fine
last week but absolutely terrible now..
Do you think a simple bleed from the LH calliper will do the job?
Regards,
-Carl.
From: <duanefamly@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes
Describe the type of master cylinder you have as well as the type wheel
cylinders. There have been a few master cylinders of inferior quality
experienced by several builders.
Mike Duane
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Meek <carlmeek@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:43 pm
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes
Can I just get a bit of advice from anyone with finger brakes fitted?
Mine seem to be a bit odd. Firstly, if i just pull a single one of them it
will hit the stop, whereas if i pull them both they have more feel and don'
t
hit the stop quite so much, however they seem to respond better with a bit
of pumping first.
Essentially I'm saying that they appear to be substandard, need pumping to
work properly, and even then pulling just one doesn't seem to work well.
Any thoughts on what could be wrong? An engineer investigated it but
couldn't find anything wrong - he checked they were bled and suchlike, he
then reported it was caused by the fact the master cylinders were not big
enough for the callipers so they need pumping.
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Subject: | Re: EURO02 part supplied wrong |
Rowland,
I'm close behind you (a race of snails?) and went to check my EUR002 screws.
And I share your problem. Kit 461 was also supplied with bolts instead
of screws.
I'll be interested in your solution.
Regards,
Jan de Jong
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Hi there all !
The builder of F-PMLH didn't include tie down points and I'm not ready to
open the wings to fix a hook. What something invented to hold the plane on
ground on a windy airfield?
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400 hours
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Hi! Max
I have put a long eye bolt through the slab of metal in the outboard end of
the flap hinge so the eye just protrudes through the large speed kit fairing
.on each wing. Similarly you could put an eye bolt into the re-enforcing in
the tail where the old tail when spring was to be mounted.. I actually use
the tail wheel spring since I need it to winch the aircraft intp the trailor
. I tell folks it is my arrester hook for landing on my aircraft carrier! I
wish !..................
Regards
Bob Harrison.G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe
Sent: 11 November 2011 17:00
Subject: Europa-List: Tie down points
Hi there all !
The builder of F-PMLH didn't include tie down points and I'm not ready to
open the wings to fix a hook. What something invented to hold the plane on
ground on a windy airfield?
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400 hours
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Subject: | Re: Europa Finger Brakes |
*Carl*
*Not wishing to be a party pooper don=92t use Dot 5.1 Brake fluid in your
system,*
*Dot 5.1 is a glycol base brake fluid and is not suitable for the seals in
the Brake valve*
*And callipers, I have had two Jaymar cylinders and both were a problem
even after*
*A complete strip/clean and seal replacement,*
*Last year I through them out and fitted the twin matco cylinders using
normal aviation*
*Hydraulic oil or ATF, also replaced the calliper and brake valve with the
Buna seals and had no problems since, *
*The only fluid combatable with both types of seals is *
*Silicone Dot 5*
* *
*If you check the archive there is a great deals of information about this
very subject, I personally do not like the silicone fluid So changed all my
seals to EPDM and used DOT 5.1 Glycol based fluid, That was Until the
Jaymars Gave up the ghost, So replace all my seals with Buna/N and fitted
the Matco Master cylinders using Standard Aviation hydraulic oil, It all
works fine now*
* *
* *
* *
* *
*DOT MINIMUM BOILING POINT SPECIFICATIONS *
*Fluid Type:*
*Glycol-based Fluids*
*Silicone Fluid*
*DOT3*
*DOT4*
*DOT5.1*
*DOT5*
*Minimum Dry Boiling Point1*
*205 =B0C/401 =B0F *
*230=B0C/ 446 =B0F*
*~270 =B0C/518 =B0F*
*230 =B0C/500 =B0F*
*Minimum Wet Boiling Point2*
*140 =B0C /284 =B0F *
*155=B0C /311 =B0F *
*~190 =B0C/375 =B0F*
*180 =B0C /356 =B0F3*
1 Dry fluid is with no water content as from a freshly opened container.
2 Wet fluids is with 3.5% water content typical of glycol-based fluids
after 24 months use.
3 The wet boiling point for the DOT 5 fluid is the DOT specification. The
silicone fluid absorbs a very small amount of water (<0.3%) so the boiling
point doesn't change with use and one can expect the boiling point to
remain at ~ 230 =B0C/500 =B0F for many years.
* *
*Regards*
* *
*Ivor Phillips*
*G-IVER*
On 11 November 2011 15:57, Carl Meek <carlmeek@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the advice, I've just come from the airfield having done a
> bit more investigation.
>
> Attached is a picture of my master cylinder, apparently it's a "New Jamar
> finger brake controller all filled with DOT5.1 fluid filled from the whee
ls
> as per the build book"
> Apparently I have "Matco 5 inch discs on the wheels with new seals
> fitted."
>
> I just popped the cover off the levers to look at the master cylinders an
d
> there are A LOT of very large bubbles in the left hand tube leading out o
f
> the master cylinder.
>
> I have just bought a bleeding kit and some 5.1 and will try to sort it ou
t
> tomorrow, I'm just worried there is a leak or something ' as it was fin
e
> last week but absolutely terrible now..
>
> Do you think a simple bleed from the LH calliper will do the job?
>
> Regards,
> -Carl.
>
> From: <duanefamly@aol.com>
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:16:54 -0500 (EST)
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes
>
> Describe the type of master cylinder you have as well as the type wheel
> cylinders. There have been a few master cylinders of inferior quality
> experienced by several builders.
>
> Mike Duane
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Meek <carlmeek@gmail.com>
> To: europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:43 pm
> Subject: Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes
>
> Can I just get a bit of advice from anyone with finger brakes fitted?
>
> Mine seem to be a bit odd. Firstly, if i just pull a single one of them
> it will hit the stop, whereas if i pull them both they have more feel and
> don't hit the stop quite so much, however they seem to respond better wit
h
> a bit of pumping first.
>
> Essentially I'm saying that they appear to be substandard, need pumping t
o
> work properly, and even then pulling just one doesn't seem to work well.
>
> Any thoughts on what could be wrong? An engineer investigated it but
> couldn't find anything wrong - he checked they were bled and suchlike, he
> then reported it was caused by the fact the master cylinders were not big
> enough for the callipers so they need pumping.
>
> *
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Subject: | Re: EURO02 part supplied wrong |
I had the same problem a while ago and John Wheeler acknowledged that there had
been an incorrect supply of these bolts. He sent me some new ones out free of
charge.
It's important not to source these yourself unless you know exactly what the requirements
are as they are just ever so slightly important!
Phil
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Subject: | Re: EURO02 part supplied wrong |
I had the same problem a while ago and John Wheeler acknowledged that there had
been an incorrect supply of these bolts. He sent me some new ones out free of
charge.
Do not try to source these yourself unless you know exactly what the requirements
are as they are just ever so slightly important!
Phil
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Subject: | Re: Tie down points |
Hi Max,
My plane has no tie-down points either. I now use small clamps which are mounted
between the ailerons and the wingtips. But I am not very happy with this solution
because this part of the wing is not reinforced.
I also don't want to open the wings. So I consider to make some tie-down points
direct to the spar near the bell-crank. To do so I will remove the bell-rank
inspection windows. This way I do not need to open the wings.
I would also like to hear comments on this idea or get other suggestions.
Kees de Bussy
PH-SBR
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Subject: | Re: Tie down points |
Max,
I fashioned a simple plate that I attached to the outside wing bracket.
Picture attached (if it comes through). It survived the tornadoes at
Sun-n-Fun this spring, unscathed, when a lot of other aircraft did not.
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 11/11/2011 10:59 AM, Max Cointe wrote:
> Hi there all !
>
> The builder of F-PMLH didnt include tie down points and Im not ready
> to open the wings to fix a hook. What something invented to hold the
> plane on ground on a windy airfield?
>
> Max Cointe
>
> F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
>
> 912ULS Airmaster 400 hours
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Subject: | EURO02 part supplied wrong |
This happened to me as well. I got replacements to these important bolts
from Europa in the same fashion as Phil.
Greg
--> <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
I'm just about to assemble the pitch push-rod, but I find that the EURO02
parts supplied are not as required. The parts list calls out set-screws (ie
fully-threaded) but what's in the (as yet unopened) packet is bolts (ie
part-threaded).
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Hi! All
I'm sorry about my standard of message and I have corrected it below,
hopefully those whose Mother Tongue isn't English can now understand it.?
Regards
Bob Harrison
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Harrison
Sent: 11 November 2011 17:33
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tie down points
Hi! Max
I have put a long eye bolt through the slab of metal in the outboard end of
the flap hinge so the eye just protrudes through the large speed kit fairing
.on each wing. Similarly you could put an eye bolt into the re-enforcing in
the tail where the old tail WHEEL spring was to be mounted.. I actually use
the mono tail wheel spring since I need it to winch the aircraft into the
trailor (. I tell folks it is my arrester hook for landing on my aircraft
carrier I wish!) However the spring has saved my rudder during countless
bounces on landing and take offs . ................. Suitable eye bolts can
be sourced at yacht chandlers usually in stainless material.
Regards
Bob Harrison.G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe
Sent: 11 November 2011 17:00
Subject: Europa-List: Tie down points
Hi there all !
The builder of F-PMLH didn't include tie down points and I'm not ready to
open the wings to fix a hook. What something invented to hold the plane on
ground on a windy airfield?
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400 hours
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Subject: | Re: Europa Finger Brakes |
Hi,
If you have the Jamar master cylinder, this is what you have to do......
Lay out some clean paper on your bench, remove the Jamar unit from the plan
e and disassemble the unit, keep all the seals / springs / pushrods etc in
the correct order, laid out on the clean paper.
Take a close look at the quality of all the parts.... this is about as poor
as anything could ever be made ! Wrap all the parts up in the paper and lo
b it in the bin !
You could invest a lot of time in cleaning the buffing soap [ that was used
to put the BS shine on the outside ] from the inside, and polish the machi
ning marks from the bores, clean the soap from the tranverse bore between t
he two cylinders, ease the diameter and radius the edge of the nylon washer
s and try to make something out of it, but from experience you can spend a
lot of time that rarely gives you something you would want to put in an Air
craft.
Two options.
1. Fit Matco cylinders, top quality, very expensive but will work. Can stil
l be a bear to bleed, but you can use the red [ cherryade] brake fluid that
every Aircraft Maintenence Facility has ....
2.Use two of the Kart master cylinders as fitted to the Mono Europa and ori
ginal Trigear [ foot brakes ], you will need to make longer levers [ to get
mechanical advantage] BUT there are two kinds of seals / O rings around, o
ne sort is suitable for Dot 3,[ as supplied for the Mono] which works with
the Europa caliper, the other is for the cherryade that works with the Matc
o caliper. Trouble is you can't tell the difference by looking at them, if
used in the wrong fluid, they expand / go squishy.
Europa have a stock of these that they don't know which type they are, so n
o help there.
You CAN use Silicone Dot 5 with both the master cylinders and the Calipers,
but it is damn awful stuff, very thick [ so is a bitch to bleed] and if yo
u get any on paintwork [ or God forbid unpainted structure] you will never
get anything to really get it off. Only one good place for Silicone, that i
s where Dolly Parton / Pamela Anderson has it !
Bleeding the set up with the Kart cylinders is a breeze, big [Large Vet's
syringe] bit of model fuel tube stuffed over the bleed nipple, bung out of
the Master cylinder, crack open the nipple, squirt the fuid in, have someon
e peek at the bung hole, when it comes to the top, job done 5 minutes a sid
e Max. Down side ? As the pads wear you need to top up the fluid, but simpl
e as you just need to dribble it in the bung hole to the bottom of the thre
ads.
You might be able to use the Jamar unit as the lever / baseplate and graft
the Kart cylinders on to that ? I will have a look tomorrow on the feasabil
ity of that.That would save a lot of mucking about.
Cheers,
Nev
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Meek <carlmeek@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:02
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes
Thanks for the advice, I've just come from the airfield having done a bit m
ore investigation.
Attached is a picture of my master cylinder, apparently it's a "New Jamar f
inger brake controller all filled with DOT5.1 fluid filled from the wheels
as per the build book"
Apparently I have "Matco 5 inch discs on the wheels with new seals fitted."
I just popped the cover off the levers to look at the master cylinders and
there are A LOT of very large bubbles in the left hand tube leading out of
the master cylinder.
I have just bought a bleeding kit and some 5.1 and will try to sort it out
tomorrow, I'm just worried there is a leak or something =93 as it was
fine last week but absolutely terrible now..
Do you think a simple bleed from the LH calliper will do the job?
Regards,
-Carl.
From: <duanefamly@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes
Describe the type of master cylinder you have as well as the type wheel cyl
inders. There have been a few master cylinders of inferior quality experien
ced by several builders.
Mike Duane
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Meek <carlmeek@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:43 pm
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes
Can I just get a bit of advice from anyone with finger brakes fitted?
Mine seem to be a bit odd. Firstly, if i just pull a single one of them it
will hit the stop, whereas if i pull them both they have more feel and don
't hit the stop quite so much, however they seem to respond better with a b
it of pumping first.
Essentially I'm saying that they appear to be substandard, need pumping to
work properly, and even then pulling just one doesn't seem to work well.
Any thoughts on what could be wrong? An engineer investigated it but could
n't find anything wrong - he checked they were bled and suchlike, he then r
eported it was caused by the fact the master cylinders were not big enough
for the callipers so they need pumping.
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Subject: | Re: Europa Finger Brakes |
=C2-I used Nev's method of the Kart Cylinders and it is perfect.=C2-=0A
=C2-=0ANev you always give the perfect answer to a question " Thanx Nev"
:-)=0A=C2-=0A=0A===================
==0A=0ARichard Wheelwright=0A==============
=======0A=0AFrom: Neville Eyre <neveyre@aol.co.uk>=0ATo: europa
-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, 11 November 2011, 21:35=0ASubject: Re:
Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes=0A=0A=0AHi,=0AIf you have the Jamar maste
r cylinder, this is what you have to do......=0ALay out some clean paper on
your bench, remove the Jamar unit from the plane and disassemble the unit,
keep all the seals / springs / pushrods etc in the correct order, laid out
on the clean paper.=0ATake a close look at the quality of all the parts...
. this is about as poor as anything could ever be made ! Wrap all the parts
up in the paper and lob it in the bin !=0AYou could invest a lot of time i
n cleaning=C2-the buffing soap [ that was used to put the BS shine on the
outside ] from the inside, and polish the machining marks from the bores,
clean the soap from the tranverse bore between the two cylinders, ease the
diameter and radius the edge of the nylon washers and try to make something
out of it, but from experience you can spend a lot of time that rarely giv
es you something you would want to put in an Aircraft.=0ATwo options.=0A1.
=C2-Fit Matco cylinders, top quality, very expensive but will work. Can s
till be a bear to bleed, but you can use the red [ cherryade] brake fluid t
hat every Aircraft Maintenence Facility has ....=0A2.Use two of the Kart ma
ster cylinders as fitted to the Mono Europa and original Trigear [ foot bra
kes ], you will need to make longer levers [ to get mechanical advantage]
=C2-BUT there are two kinds of seals / O rings around, one sort is suitab
le for Dot 3,[ as supplied for the Mono] which works with the Europa calipe
r,=C2-the other is for the cherryade that works with the Matco caliper. T
rouble is you can't tell the difference by looking at them, if used in the
wrong fluid, they expand / go squishy.=0AEuropa have a stock of these that
they don't know which type they are, so no help there.=0AYou CAN use Silico
ne Dot 5 with both the master cylinders and the Calipers, but it is damn aw
ful stuff, very thick [ so is=C2-a bitch to bleed] and if you get any on
paintwork [ or God forbid unpainted structure] you will never get anything
to really get it off. Only one good place for Silicone, that is where Dolly
Parton / Pamela Anderson has it !=0A=C2-Bleeding the set up with the Kar
t cylinders is a breeze, big [Large Vet's syringe] bit of model fuel tube s
tuffed over the bleed nipple, bung out of the Master cylinder, crack open t
he nipple, squirt the fuid in, have someone peek at the bung hole, when it
comes to the top, job done 5 minutes a side Max. Down side ? As the pads we
ar you need to top up the fluid, but simple as you just need to dribble it
in the bung hole to the bottom of the threads.=0AYou might be able to use t
he Jamar unit as the lever / baseplate and graft the Kart cylinders on to t
hat ? I will have a look tomorrow on the feasability of that.That would sav
e a lot of mucking about.=0ACheers,=0ANev=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-
----=0AFrom: Carl Meek <carlmeek@gmail.com>=0ATo: europa-list <europa-list@
matronics.com>=0ASent: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:02=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: E
uropa Finger Brakes=0A=0A=0AThanks for the advice, I've just come from the
airfield having done a bit more investigation.=0A=0AAttached is a picture o
f my master cylinder, apparently it's a "New Jamar finger brake controller
all filled with DOT5.1 fluid filled from the wheels as per the build book"
=0AApparently I have "Matco 5 inch discs on the wheels with new seals fitte
d."=0A=0AI just popped the cover off the levers to look at the master cylin
ders and there are A LOT of very large bubbles in the left hand tube leadin
g out of the master cylinder.=0A=0AI have just bought a bleeding kit and so
me 5.1 and will try to sort it out tomorrow, I'm just worried there is a le
ak or something =93 as it was fine last week but absolutely terrible
now..=0A=0ADo you think a simple bleed from the LH calliper will do the job
ist@matronics.com>=0ADate: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:16:54 -0500 (EST)=0ATo: <eur
opa-list@matronics.com>=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes=0A
=0ADescribe the type of master cylinder you have as well as the type wheel
cylinders. There have been a few master cylinders of inferior quality exper
ienced by several builders.=0A=0AMike Duane=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2-=0A-----Origin
al Message-----=0AFrom: Carl Meek <carlmeek@gmail.com>=0ATo: europa-list <e
uropa-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:43 pm=0ASubject: Eur
opa-List: Europa Finger Brakes=0A=0A=0ACan I just get a bit of advice from
anyone with finger brakes fitted?=0A=0AMine seem to be a bit odd.=C2- Fir
stly, if i just pull a single one of them it will hit the stop, whereas if
i pull them both they have more feel and don't hit the stop quite so much,
however they seem to respond better with a bit of pumping first.=0A=0AEssen
tially I'm saying that they appear to be substandard, need pumping to work
properly, and even then pulling just one doesn't seem to work well.=0A=0AAn
y thoughts on what could be wrong?=C2- An engineer investigated it but co
uldn't find anything wrong - he checked they were bled and suchlike, he the
n reported it was caused by the fact the master cylinders were not big enou
gh for the callipers so they need pumping.=0A_blank>www.aeroelectric.com /"
target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com blan
k>http://www.matronics.com/contribution arget=_blank>http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?Europa-List p://forums.matronics.comblank>http://www.matr
onics.com/contribution =0Aic.comw.buildersbooks.comthelp.comronics
.com/contribution//www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List comronics.
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Subject: | Re: EURO02 part supplied wrong |
On 11 Nov 2011, at 16:35, Jan de Jong wrote:
>
> Rowland,
>
> I'm close behind you (a race of snails?) and went to check my EUR002 screws.
> And I share your problem. Kit 461 was also supplied with bolts instead of screws.
> I'll be interested in your solution.
>
> Regards,
> Jan de Jong
Jan - Mike McClean at Europa read my e-mail posting and is getting the right screws
sent to me on Monday. Good service!
in friendship
Rowland
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Subject: | Re: Europa Finger Brakes |
On 11/11/2011 04:57 PM, Carl Meek wrote:
> Attached is a picture of my master cylinder, apparently it's a "New
> Jamar finger brake controller all filled with DOT5.1 fluid filled from
> the wheels as per the build book"
DOT5.1 is not per the book. The book says 5.0. You might think that 5.1
is an upgrade of 5.0, but it is not, it is entirely different stuff.
Apart from that, the Jamar brakes are rubbish. My kit came with the
Jamar cylinders, after spending almost a frustrating week in futile
attempts to bleed them and to get these things working, I tossed them
out and replaced them by Matco cylinders. Bleeding was then a piece of
cake and the brake system now works like a charm. I'm glad I never flew
with the Jamar cylinders but got rid of them just in time.
> I just popped the cover off the levers to look at the master cylinders
> and there are A LOT of very large bubbles in the left hand tube leading
> out of the master cylinder.
I have been there. Forget about getting these bubbles away. I pumped
almost a full can of DOT5.0 through these things but the bubbles never
went away.
Now you have used DOT 5.1 instead of DOT 5.0, you have probably
destroyed the seals. Don't bother fixing them, toss the whole thing out
and replace them by Matco's and fill the system with red aircraft
hydraulic fluid.
Frans
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Subject: | Re: Europa Finger Brakes |
On 12/11/2011, at 8:24 AM, Richard Wheelwright <rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk> w
rote:
> Nev you always give the perfect answer to a question " Thanx Nev" :-)
Couldn't agree more Richard ...... even answered my questions about Dolly an
d Pamela and I didn't even ask!! <g>
Cheers
Kingsley
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