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1. 02:32 AM - Re: Europa Finger Brakes (Trevor Pond)
2. 06:59 AM - Re: Europa Finger Brakes (Christoph Both)
3. 10:00 AM - Re: Tie down points (Max Cointe)
4. 11:21 AM - Re: Re: Europa Finger Brakes (mau11)
5. 01:34 PM - Re: Tie down points (Bob Harrison)
6. 03:32 PM - Re: Europa Finger Brakes (G-IANI)
7. 11:00 PM - Re: Tie down points (Max Cointe)
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Subject: | Re: Europa Finger Brakes |
Kingsley, ask him about Meg!!
Regards
Trev
G-LINN
Sent from my iPhone
On 12 Nov 2011, at 00:16, Kingsley Hurst <kingsnjan@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> On 12/11/2011, at 8:24 AM, Richard Wheelwright <rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>
>> Nev you always give the perfect answer to a question " Thanx Nev" :-)
>
> Couldn't agree more Richard ...... even answered my questions about Dolly a
nd Pamela and I didn't even ask!! <g>
>
> Cheers
> Kingsley
>
> Do not archive
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Subject: | Europa Finger Brakes |
Frans,
Could you please provide the exact part numbers for the MATCO Brake cylinders fitting
the Europa TRI?Aircraft Spruce lists 4 types: MCM-5 and MCM-5A. MCM-4 and
MCM-4A.
Thanks!
Christoph Both
#223
Wolfville, Nova Scotia Canada
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes
On 11/11/2011 04:57 PM, Carl Meek wrote:
> Attached is a picture of my master cylinder, apparently it's a "New
> Jamar finger brake controller all filled with DOT5.1 fluid filled from
> the wheels as per the build book"
DOT5.1 is not per the book. The book says 5.0. You might think that 5.1
is an upgrade of 5.0, but it is not, it is entirely different stuff.
Apart from that, the Jamar brakes are rubbish. My kit came with the
Jamar cylinders, after spending almost a frustrating week in futile
attempts to bleed them and to get these things working, I tossed them
out and replaced them by Matco cylinders. Bleeding was then a piece of
cake and the brake system now works like a charm. I'm glad I never flew
with the Jamar cylinders but got rid of them just in time.
> I just popped the cover off the levers to look at the master cylinders
> and there are A LOT of very large bubbles in the left hand tube leading
> out of the master cylinder.
I have been there. Forget about getting these bubbles away. I pumped
almost a full can of DOT5.0 through these things but the bubbles never
went away.
Now you have used DOT 5.1 instead of DOT 5.0, you have probably
destroyed the seals. Don't bother fixing them, toss the whole thing out
and replace them by Matco's and fill the system with red aircraft
hydraulic fluid.
Frans
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Hi Bob,
Many thanks for your answer. Could we get a picture ? (thanks to Jeff BB
for
the one he sent but without the speed kit)
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400+ hours
De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Bob
Harrison
Envoy=E9 : vendredi 11 novembre 2011 20:13
=C0 : europa-list@matronics.com
Objet : RE: Europa-List: Tie down points
Hi! All
I=92m sorry about my standard of message and I have corrected it below,
hopefully those whose Mother Tongue isn=92t English can now understand
it.?
Regards
Bob Harrison
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Harrison
Sent: 11 November 2011 17:33
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tie down points
Hi! Max
I have put a long eye bolt through the slab of metal in the outboard end
of
the flap hinge so the eye just protrudes through the large speed kit
fairing
.on each wing. Similarly you could put an eye bolt into the re-enforcing
in
the tail where the old tail WHEEL spring was to be mounted.. I actually
use
the mono tail wheel spring since I need it to winch the aircraft into
the
trailor (. I tell folks it is my arrester hook for landing on my
aircraft
carrier I wish!) However the spring has saved my rudder during countless
bounces on landing and take offs . ................. Suitable eye bolts
can
be sourced at yacht chandlers usually in stainless material.
Regards
Bob Harrison.G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe
Sent: 11 November 2011 17:00
Subject: Europa-List: Tie down points
Hi there all !
The builder of F-PMLH didn=92t include tie down points and I=92m not
ready to
open the wings to fix a hook. What something invented to hold the plane
on
ground on a windy airfield?
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400 hours
www.aeroelectric.com
www.buildersbooks.com
www.homebuilthelp.com
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Subject: | Re: Europa Finger Brakes |
X-mailer: Foxmail 6, 15, 201, 26 [cn]
The Matco master cylinder is MC-4D.
Good evening
Michel AUVRAY
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Hi! Max.
Unfortunately G-PTAG is in it=92s trailor and impossible to provide a
photo at
present. However I am aiming to fly down to London next Friday (weather
dependent) and I will photo it then . But the construction is simple
...take
a =BC=94stainless eye bolt (if I recall correctly I think it was about
4=94 long
or 5=94 and I cut it down) , drill a hole nearly perpendicular to and
through
the large faces of the block of metal which sits between the outboard
wing
flap hinge brackets so that the eye of the bolt is positioned to just
protrude through the leading edge of the speed kit fairing.(slightly up
from
the lowest point ) You need to do some pretty fine judging for the exact
location .(You will need to cut a small hole in the leading edge of the
fairing so the eye sticks through just far enough to get a piece of tie
down
cord through it when needing to tie the aircraft down.
The length of the eye bolt is adjusted by two nuts fitted to the eye
bolt
one in a position under the block so that another nut can be tightened
down
on top of the block to lock the bolt and lower nut to the block. Check
that
operation of the flap doesn=92t conflict with the finished position of
the
bolt before flying. It is easier to fit the eye bolt with the faring
removed
and so re fit it after experimentation as to how long the eye bolt needs
to
be before locking up.
If you can=92t understand by this description let me know ....but I=92m
guessing
it will be a poor photograph for clarity of purpose. I have no drawings
or
approvals, just plain old common sense .!
Regards
Bob Harrison G_PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe
Sent: 12 November 2011 17:46
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tie down points
Hi Bob,
Many thanks for your answer. Could we get a picture ? (thanks to Jeff BB
for
the one he sent but without the speed kit)
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400+ hours
De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Bob
Harrison
Envoy=E9 : vendredi 11 novembre 2011 20:13
=C0 : europa-list@matronics.com
Objet : RE: Europa-List: Tie down points
Hi! All
I=92m sorry about my standard of message and I have corrected it below,
hopefully those whose Mother Tongue isn=92t English can now understand
it.?
Regards
Bob Harrison
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Harrison
Sent: 11 November 2011 17:33
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tie down points
Hi! Max
I have put a long eye bolt through the slab of metal in the outboard end
of
the flap hinge so the eye just protrudes through the large speed kit
fairing
.on each wing. Similarly you could put an eye bolt into the re-enforcing
in
the tail where the old tail WHEEL spring was to be mounted.. I actually
use
the mono tail wheel spring since I need it to winch the aircraft into
the
trailor (. I tell folks it is my arrester hook for landing on my
aircraft
carrier I wish!) However the spring has saved my rudder during countless
bounces on landing and take offs . ................. Suitable eye bolts
can
be sourced at yacht chandlers usually in stainless material.
Regards
Bob Harrison.G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe
Sent: 11 November 2011 17:00
Subject: Europa-List: Tie down points
Hi there all !
The builder of F-PMLH didn=92t include tie down points and I=92m not
ready to
open the wings to fix a hook. What something invented to hold the plane
on
ground on a windy airfield?
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400 hours
www.aeroelectric.com
www.buildersbooks.com
www.homebuilthelp.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
www.aeroelectric.comwww.aeroelectric.com
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Subject: | Europa Finger Brakes |
Christoph
The master cylinders that fit are the Matco MCM-4D. AS do not stock them
but they can be ordered direct from Matco. Europa also supply them (the
last pair I purchased were only just more expensive than Matco)
How to fit them is covered in the Combined Build manual CBM-33T (Matco)
available on the Europa site.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
Europa Club Mods Specialist
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
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Hi Bob,
Many thanks, I think I see how you did it. An even poor picture will be
welcome anyhow, no hurry I won=92t make it before next maintenance
operation.
Have a good flight!
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400 hours
De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Bob
Harrison
Envoy=E9 : samedi 12 novembre 2011 22:31
=C0 : europa-list@matronics.com
Objet : RE: Europa-List: Tie down points
Hi! Max.
Unfortunately G-PTAG is in it=92s trailor and impossible to provide a
photo at
present. However I am aiming to fly down to London next Friday (weather
dependent) and I will photo it then . But the construction is simple
...take
a =BC=94stainless eye bolt (if I recall correctly I think it was about
4=94 long
or 5=94 and I cut it down) , drill a hole nearly perpendicular to and
through
the large faces of the block of metal which sits between the outboard
wing
flap hinge brackets so that the eye of the bolt is positioned to just
protrude through the leading edge of the speed kit fairing.(slightly up
from
the lowest point ) You need to do some pretty fine judging for the exact
location .(You will need to cut a small hole in the leading edge of the
fairing so the eye sticks through just far enough to get a piece of tie
down
cord through it when needing to tie the aircraft down.
The length of the eye bolt is adjusted by two nuts fitted to the eye
bolt
one in a position under the block so that another nut can be tightened
down
on top of the block to lock the bolt and lower nut to the block. Check
that
operation of the flap doesn=92t conflict with the finished position of
the
bolt before flying. It is easier to fit the eye bolt with the faring
removed
and so re fit it after experimentation as to how long the eye bolt needs
to
be before locking up.
If you can=92t understand by this description let me know ....but I=92m
guessing
it will be a poor photograph for clarity of purpose. I have no drawings
or
approvals, just plain old common sense .!
Regards
Bob Harrison G_PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe
Sent: 12 November 2011 17:46
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tie down points
Hi Bob,
Many thanks for your answer. Could we get a picture ? (thanks to Jeff BB
for
the one he sent but without the speed kit)
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400+ hours
De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Bob
Harrison
Envoy=E9 : vendredi 11 novembre 2011 20:13
=C0 : europa-list@matronics.com
Objet : RE: Europa-List: Tie down points
Hi! All
I=92m sorry about my standard of message and I have corrected it below,
hopefully those whose Mother Tongue isn=92t English can now understand
it.?
Regards
Bob Harrison
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Harrison
Sent: 11 November 2011 17:33
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tie down points
Hi! Max
I have put a long eye bolt through the slab of metal in the outboard end
of
the flap hinge so the eye just protrudes through the large speed kit
fairing
.on each wing. Similarly you could put an eye bolt into the re-enforcing
in
the tail where the old tail WHEEL spring was to be mounted.. I actually
use
the mono tail wheel spring since I need it to winch the aircraft into
the
trailor (. I tell folks it is my arrester hook for landing on my
aircraft
carrier I wish!) However the spring has saved my rudder during countless
bounces on landing and take offs . ................. Suitable eye bolts
can
be sourced at yacht chandlers usually in stainless material.
Regards
Bob Harrison.G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe
Sent: 11 November 2011 17:00
Subject: Europa-List: Tie down points
Hi there all !
The builder of F-PMLH didn=92t include tie down points and I=92m not
ready to
open the wings to fix a hook. What something invented to hold the plane
on
ground on a windy airfield?
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 400 hours
www.aeroelectric.com
www.buildersbooks.com
www.homebuilthelp.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
www.aeroelectric.comwww.aeroelectric.com
www.buildersbooks.com
www.homebuilthelp.com
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