---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/12/11: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:32 AM - Re: Europa Finger Brakes (Trevor Pond) 2. 06:59 AM - Re: Europa Finger Brakes (Christoph Both) 3. 10:00 AM - Re: Tie down points (Max Cointe) 4. 11:21 AM - Re: Re: Europa Finger Brakes (mau11) 5. 01:34 PM - Re: Tie down points (Bob Harrison) 6. 03:32 PM - Re: Europa Finger Brakes (G-IANI) 7. 11:00 PM - Re: Tie down points (Max Cointe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes From: Trevor Pond Kingsley, ask him about Meg!! Regards Trev G-LINN Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2011, at 00:16, Kingsley Hurst wrote: > On 12/11/2011, at 8:24 AM, Richard Wheelwright wrote: > >> Nev you always give the perfect answer to a question " Thanx Nev" :-) > > Couldn't agree more Richard ...... even answered my questions about Dolly a nd Pamela and I didn't even ask!! > > Cheers > Kingsley > > Do not archive > > Sent from my iPhone > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:32 AM PST US From: Christoph Both Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes Frans, Could you please provide the exact part numbers for the MATCO Brake cylinders fitting the Europa TRI?Aircraft Spruce lists 4 types: MCM-5 and MCM-5A. MCM-4 and MCM-4A. Thanks! Christoph Both #223 Wolfville, Nova Scotia Canada -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes On 11/11/2011 04:57 PM, Carl Meek wrote: > Attached is a picture of my master cylinder, apparently it's a "New > Jamar finger brake controller all filled with DOT5.1 fluid filled from > the wheels as per the build book" DOT5.1 is not per the book. The book says 5.0. You might think that 5.1 is an upgrade of 5.0, but it is not, it is entirely different stuff. Apart from that, the Jamar brakes are rubbish. My kit came with the Jamar cylinders, after spending almost a frustrating week in futile attempts to bleed them and to get these things working, I tossed them out and replaced them by Matco cylinders. Bleeding was then a piece of cake and the brake system now works like a charm. I'm glad I never flew with the Jamar cylinders but got rid of them just in time. > I just popped the cover off the levers to look at the master cylinders > and there are A LOT of very large bubbles in the left hand tube leading > out of the master cylinder. I have been there. Forget about getting these bubbles away. I pumped almost a full can of DOT5.0 through these things but the bubbles never went away. Now you have used DOT 5.1 instead of DOT 5.0, you have probably destroyed the seals. Don't bother fixing them, toss the whole thing out and replace them by Matco's and fill the system with red aircraft hydraulic fluid. Frans ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:41 AM PST US From: "Max Cointe" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tie down points Hi Bob, Many thanks for your answer. Could we get a picture ? (thanks to Jeff BB for the one he sent but without the speed kit) Max Cointe F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 400+ hours De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Bob Harrison Envoy=E9 : vendredi 11 novembre 2011 20:13 =C0 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : RE: Europa-List: Tie down points Hi! All I=92m sorry about my standard of message and I have corrected it below, hopefully those whose Mother Tongue isn=92t English can now understand it.? Regards Bob Harrison From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Harrison Sent: 11 November 2011 17:33 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tie down points Hi! Max I have put a long eye bolt through the slab of metal in the outboard end of the flap hinge so the eye just protrudes through the large speed kit fairing .on each wing. Similarly you could put an eye bolt into the re-enforcing in the tail where the old tail WHEEL spring was to be mounted.. I actually use the mono tail wheel spring since I need it to winch the aircraft into the trailor (. I tell folks it is my arrester hook for landing on my aircraft carrier I wish!) However the spring has saved my rudder during countless bounces on landing and take offs . ................. Suitable eye bolts can be sourced at yacht chandlers usually in stainless material. Regards Bob Harrison.G-PTAG From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe Sent: 11 November 2011 17:00 Subject: Europa-List: Tie down points Hi there all ! The builder of F-PMLH didn=92t include tie down points and I=92m not ready to open the wings to fix a hook. What something invented to hold the plane on ground on a windy airfield? Max Cointe F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 400 hours www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:21:15 AM PST US From: "mau11" Subject: Re: RE: Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes X-mailer: Foxmail 6, 15, 201, 26 [cn] The Matco master cylinder is MC-4D. Good evening Michel AUVRAY ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:29 PM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tie down points Hi! Max. Unfortunately G-PTAG is in it=92s trailor and impossible to provide a photo at present. However I am aiming to fly down to London next Friday (weather dependent) and I will photo it then . But the construction is simple ...take a =BC=94stainless eye bolt (if I recall correctly I think it was about 4=94 long or 5=94 and I cut it down) , drill a hole nearly perpendicular to and through the large faces of the block of metal which sits between the outboard wing flap hinge brackets so that the eye of the bolt is positioned to just protrude through the leading edge of the speed kit fairing.(slightly up from the lowest point ) You need to do some pretty fine judging for the exact location .(You will need to cut a small hole in the leading edge of the fairing so the eye sticks through just far enough to get a piece of tie down cord through it when needing to tie the aircraft down. The length of the eye bolt is adjusted by two nuts fitted to the eye bolt one in a position under the block so that another nut can be tightened down on top of the block to lock the bolt and lower nut to the block. Check that operation of the flap doesn=92t conflict with the finished position of the bolt before flying. It is easier to fit the eye bolt with the faring removed and so re fit it after experimentation as to how long the eye bolt needs to be before locking up. If you can=92t understand by this description let me know ....but I=92m guessing it will be a poor photograph for clarity of purpose. I have no drawings or approvals, just plain old common sense .! Regards Bob Harrison G_PTAG From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe Sent: 12 November 2011 17:46 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tie down points Hi Bob, Many thanks for your answer. Could we get a picture ? (thanks to Jeff BB for the one he sent but without the speed kit) Max Cointe F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 400+ hours De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Bob Harrison Envoy=E9 : vendredi 11 novembre 2011 20:13 =C0 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : RE: Europa-List: Tie down points Hi! All I=92m sorry about my standard of message and I have corrected it below, hopefully those whose Mother Tongue isn=92t English can now understand it.? Regards Bob Harrison From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Harrison Sent: 11 November 2011 17:33 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tie down points Hi! Max I have put a long eye bolt through the slab of metal in the outboard end of the flap hinge so the eye just protrudes through the large speed kit fairing .on each wing. Similarly you could put an eye bolt into the re-enforcing in the tail where the old tail WHEEL spring was to be mounted.. I actually use the mono tail wheel spring since I need it to winch the aircraft into the trailor (. I tell folks it is my arrester hook for landing on my aircraft carrier I wish!) However the spring has saved my rudder during countless bounces on landing and take offs . ................. Suitable eye bolts can be sourced at yacht chandlers usually in stainless material. Regards Bob Harrison.G-PTAG From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe Sent: 11 November 2011 17:00 Subject: Europa-List: Tie down points Hi there all ! The builder of F-PMLH didn=92t include tie down points and I=92m not ready to open the wings to fix a hook. What something invented to hold the plane on ground on a windy airfield? Max Cointe F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 400 hours www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution www.aeroelectric.comwww.aeroelectric.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:37 PM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes Christoph The master cylinders that fit are the Matco MCM-4D. AS do not stock them but they can be ordered direct from Matco. Europa also supply them (the last pair I purchased were only just more expensive than Matco) How to fit them is covered in the Combined Build manual CBM-33T (Matco) available on the Europa site. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:54 PM PST US From: "Max Cointe" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tie down points Hi Bob, Many thanks, I think I see how you did it. An even poor picture will be welcome anyhow, no hurry I won=92t make it before next maintenance operation. Have a good flight! Max Cointe F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 400 hours De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Bob Harrison Envoy=E9 : samedi 12 novembre 2011 22:31 =C0 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : RE: Europa-List: Tie down points Hi! Max. Unfortunately G-PTAG is in it=92s trailor and impossible to provide a photo at present. However I am aiming to fly down to London next Friday (weather dependent) and I will photo it then . But the construction is simple ...take a =BC=94stainless eye bolt (if I recall correctly I think it was about 4=94 long or 5=94 and I cut it down) , drill a hole nearly perpendicular to and through the large faces of the block of metal which sits between the outboard wing flap hinge brackets so that the eye of the bolt is positioned to just protrude through the leading edge of the speed kit fairing.(slightly up from the lowest point ) You need to do some pretty fine judging for the exact location .(You will need to cut a small hole in the leading edge of the fairing so the eye sticks through just far enough to get a piece of tie down cord through it when needing to tie the aircraft down. The length of the eye bolt is adjusted by two nuts fitted to the eye bolt one in a position under the block so that another nut can be tightened down on top of the block to lock the bolt and lower nut to the block. Check that operation of the flap doesn=92t conflict with the finished position of the bolt before flying. It is easier to fit the eye bolt with the faring removed and so re fit it after experimentation as to how long the eye bolt needs to be before locking up. If you can=92t understand by this description let me know ....but I=92m guessing it will be a poor photograph for clarity of purpose. I have no drawings or approvals, just plain old common sense .! Regards Bob Harrison G_PTAG From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe Sent: 12 November 2011 17:46 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tie down points Hi Bob, Many thanks for your answer. Could we get a picture ? (thanks to Jeff BB for the one he sent but without the speed kit) Max Cointe F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 400+ hours De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Bob Harrison Envoy=E9 : vendredi 11 novembre 2011 20:13 =C0 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : RE: Europa-List: Tie down points Hi! All I=92m sorry about my standard of message and I have corrected it below, hopefully those whose Mother Tongue isn=92t English can now understand it.? Regards Bob Harrison From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Harrison Sent: 11 November 2011 17:33 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tie down points Hi! Max I have put a long eye bolt through the slab of metal in the outboard end of the flap hinge so the eye just protrudes through the large speed kit fairing .on each wing. Similarly you could put an eye bolt into the re-enforcing in the tail where the old tail WHEEL spring was to be mounted.. I actually use the mono tail wheel spring since I need it to winch the aircraft into the trailor (. I tell folks it is my arrester hook for landing on my aircraft carrier I wish!) However the spring has saved my rudder during countless bounces on landing and take offs . ................. Suitable eye bolts can be sourced at yacht chandlers usually in stainless material. Regards Bob Harrison.G-PTAG From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe Sent: 11 November 2011 17:00 Subject: Europa-List: Tie down points Hi there all ! The builder of F-PMLH didn=92t include tie down points and I=92m not ready to open the wings to fix a hook. What something invented to hold the plane on ground on a windy airfield? Max Cointe F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 400 hours www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution www.aeroelectric.comwww.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.