---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/14/11: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:27 AM - Re: Jamar vs matco (pestar) 2. 02:02 AM - Re: ULPower 260i in Europa (smartieb) 3. 11:20 AM - "Flight into known icing conditions prohibited" (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 4. 02:27 PM - brake fluid (Rowland Carson) 5. 02:41 PM - Re: Europa Finger Brakes (Richard Collings) 6. 03:18 PM - Re: brake fluid (Brian Davies) 7. 04:21 PM - Re: "Flight into known icing conditions prohibited" (AirEupora) 8. 04:37 PM - Re: Main leg fairing dimensions (AirEupora) 9. 07:57 PM - A hat tip to the Brits (Fred Klein) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:27 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Jamar vs matco From: "pestar" While I do not have a Europa (I have a DynAero MCR-4S - don't shoot me) I belong to this list because of its Rotax 914 experience. I however do have finger brakes and chose them against foot brakes because of weight considerations and simplicity. If it is of interest and help I am happy to provide photographs of my installation which may be of assistance. The DynAero finger brakes are lighter than the Matco ones picture already published and have a locking mechanism which holds them on for parking and run-ups tests. I am happy with my choice. Let me know - happy to help Cheers Peter Peter Armstrong Auckland, New Zealand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=357794#357794 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:03 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: ULPower 260i in Europa From: "smartieb" Hi Malcolm, I am in Brisbane, Australia and have had previous correspondence with Ian Rickard and cc'd yourself. Ian does have a CAD drawing of my proposed engine mount which I have yet to carry out an FEA analysis on. The date of fitting my engine could still be at least a year away. Let me know if you want to find out any more details. I would be very interested to see how your conversion works out. Ian did send an early photo of your 260i mount adapter for the Europa. Regards Martin Benson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=357795#357795 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:20:00 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Europa-List: "Flight into known icing conditions prohibited" - is one of the placards on my panel, next to "VFR operations only". We all have heard about the danger of icing, and we understand why it can be fatal. Today I ran the engine on idle for 3-4 minutes on the ground (prior to squirting engine conservation oil into the carbs until stopping, for winter storage). It was a foggy day, air temperature just around freezing. A soft, very thin layer of frost formed on the wings and fuselage when pulling the aircraft out of hangar. I had not, however, expected to see the rapid build-up of ice on the propeller during this very short run - see the attached two photos. There was no ice on the front face of the blades, but on the sharp leading edge there was a 4 mm buildup of clear, very hard and difficult to remove ice (gradually diminishing towards the blade root). This is seen as a white stripe along the leading edge on the photos. Ice had also begun to build up on the blade back face and on the tip edge. One can only imagine the loss of propeller efficiency and risk of vibration if flying through clouds or fog around/below the freezing point. I did not need this demonstration to heed the placard's warning, but it does bring the message home. Fly safely! Regards, Svein LN-SKJ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:27 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: brake fluid All the recent postings about appropriate fluids for the tri-gear finger-brakes has prompted me to think about what is OK for the monowheel brake system. I'm using the standard Europa parts. My journal shows that, when fitting it, I cleaned up & lubricated my master cylinder with Castrol Girling Universal SAE J1703 (which appears to be DOT3), and later I bought a can of DOT5.1 with which to fill the system (when I get that far). I note Neville's enthusiasm for the red aircraft grade brake fluid (what's the proper name for that? Can I get it from LAS, for instance?) but also that Europa-supplied seals may be an unknown quantity with respect to what fluid they like. Is there any way (other than soaking them in a sample of fluid) to determine what seals I've got in my master cylinder and in my brake calipers? If the seals held in stock by Europa are not identifiable, where else could one get seals properly identified as to type of fluid for (a) the monowheel master cylinder and (b) the monowheel calipers? in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:45 PM PST US From: "Richard Collings" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes Hi I don't know what seal are fitted in your brake system so to be safe you must use DOT5 fluid no other. To help with bleeding the system first apply the brake on the wheel you are not attempting to bleed and tie the brake finger leaver in the on position. Now bleed the other brake circuit from the wheel cylinder by using one of the std pressure bleeding kit's [Airworld 300981 worked for me] that way you will drive the air up and out of the system at the header tank. Once you are clear of air on the first circuit lock the bleed nipple shut and repeat the same procedure on the other circuit. Good luck Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Meek To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 3:57 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes Thanks for the advice, I've just come from the airfield having done a bit more investigation. Attached is a picture of my master cylinder, apparently it's a "New Jamar finger brake controller all filled with DOT5.1 fluid filled from the wheels as per the build book" Apparently I have "Matco 5 inch discs on the wheels with new seals fitted." I just popped the cover off the levers to look at the master cylinders and there are A LOT of very large bubbles in the left hand tube leading out of the master cylinder. I have just bought a bleeding kit and some 5.1 and will try to sort it out tomorrow, I'm just worried there is a leak or something - as it was fine last week but absolutely terrible now.. Do you think a simple bleed from the LH calliper will do the job? Regards, -Carl. From: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:16:54 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes Describe the type of master cylinder you have as well as the type wheel cylinders. There have been a few master cylinders of inferior quality experienced by several builders. Mike Duane -----Original Message----- From: Carl Meek To: europa-list Sent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:43 pm Subject: Europa-List: Europa Finger Brakes Can I just get a bit of advice from anyone with finger brakes fitted? Mine seem to be a bit odd. Firstly, if i just pull a single one of them it will hit the stop, whereas if i pull them both they have more feel and don't hit the stop quite so much, however they seem to respond better with a bit of pumping first. Essentially I'm saying that they appear to be substandard, need pumping to work properly, and even then pulling just one doesn't seem to work well. Any thoughts on what could be wrong? An engineer investigated it but couldn't find anything wrong - he checked they were bled and suchlike, he then reported it was caused by the fact the master cylinders were not big enough for the callipers so they need pumping. _blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ic.com w.buildersbooks.com thelp.com ronics.com/contribution //www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List com ronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:33 PM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: brake fluid Rowland, The original name for the red stuff was DTD585. I think the latest stuff has an H on the end. LAS do stock it. When I had a Mono setup I used exactly what the manual said to use (dot 3 or 4)and had no problems. Regards Brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson Sent: 14 November 2011 22:23 Subject: Europa-List: brake fluid --> All the recent postings about appropriate fluids for the tri-gear finger-brakes has prompted me to think about what is OK for the monowheel brake system. I'm using the standard Europa parts. My journal shows that, when fitting it, I cleaned up & lubricated my master cylinder with Castrol Girling Universal SAE J1703 (which appears to be DOT3), and later I bought a can of DOT5.1 with which to fill the system (when I get that far). I note Neville's enthusiasm for the red aircraft grade brake fluid (what's the proper name for that? Can I get it from LAS, for instance?) but also that Europa-supplied seals may be an unknown quantity with respect to what fluid they like. Is there any way (other than soaking them in a sample of fluid) to determine what seals I've got in my master cylinder and in my brake calipers? If the seals held in stock by Europa are not identifiable, where else could one get seals properly identified as to type of fluid for (a) the monowheel master cylinder and (b) the monowheel calipers? in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:22 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: "Flight into known icing conditions prohibited" From: "AirEupora" A number years ago I was flying along the Alaska coast on a job in a Hughes 500. The fog keep getting lower and I had to fly lower to the ground. Then the whole helicopter started to vibrate through the controls to the point I had to make a landing quickly. Once on the ground I shut the engine off and there was about 1/4 -3/8 of inch of ice along the leading edge and under it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=357876#357876 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:28 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Main leg fairing dimensions From: "AirEupora" I took these pictures of my fairings. Hope they help Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=357881#357881 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/land_gear_coverings_004_665.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/land_gear_coverings_003_618.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/land_gear_coverings_002_171.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/land_gear_coverings_001_124.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:06 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: A hat tip to the Brits > One of the great puzzles of the industrial revolution is why it > began in England. Why not France, or Germany? Many reasons have been > offered. Britain had plentiful supplies of coal, for instance. It > had a good patent system in place. It had relatively high labor > costs, which encouraged the search for labor-saving innovations. In > an article published earlier this year, however, the economists Ralf > Meisenzahl and Joel Mokyr focus on a different explanation: the role > of Britain=92s human-capital advantage=97in particular, on a group they > call =93tweakers.=94 They believe that Britain dominated the industrial > revolution because it had a far larger population of skilled > engineers and artisans than its competitors: resourceful and > creative men who took the signature inventions of the industrial age > and tweaked them=97refined and perfected them, and made them work. > In 1779, Samuel Crompton, a retiring genius from Lancashire, > invented the spinning mule, which made possible the mechanization of > cotton manufacture. Yet England=92s real advantage was that it had > Henry Stones, of Horwich, who added metal rollers to the mule; and > James Hargreaves, of Tottington, who figured out how to smooth the > acceleration and deceleration of the spinning wheel; and William > Kelly, of Glasgow, who worked out how to add water power to the draw > stroke; and John Kennedy, of Manchester, who adapted the wheel to > turn out fine counts; and, finally, Richard Roberts, also of > Manchester, a master of precision machine tooling=97and the tweaker=92s > tweaker. He created the =93automatic=94 spinning mule: an exacting, high- > speed, reliable rethinking of Crompton=92s original creation. Such > men, the economists argue, provided the =93micro inventions necessary > to make macro inventions highly productive and remunerative.=94 Then > there was Ivan Shaw... http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/11/14/111114fa_fact_gladwell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.