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1. 11:01 AM - Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap hinge block(Trigear only) (Bob Harrison)
2. 11:07 AM - Eye bolt tie down through wing/flap hinge block (trike only) (Bob Harrison)
3. 11:10 AM - Re: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap hinge block(Trigear only) (Jeff B)
4. 11:41 AM - Re: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap hinge block(Trigear only) (Bob Harrison)
5. 01:58 PM - Re: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap hinge block(Trigear only) (PHILLIPS I)
6. 02:40 PM - Re: Low Voltage (rampil)
7. 02:43 PM - Re: Eye bolt tie down through wing/flap hinge block (trike only) (rampil)
8. 02:56 PM - Re: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap hinge block(Trigear only) (Jeff B)
9. 03:09 PM - Re: Low Voltage (Troy Maynor)
10. 06:18 PM - broken tap (Fred Klein)
11. 06:52 PM - Re: broken tap (Lance Sandford)
12. 07:15 PM - Re: broken tap (craig)
13. 07:48 PM - Re: broken tap (rparigoris)
14. 08:24 PM - Re: Re: broken tap (Fred Klein)
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| Subject: | Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap hinge |
block(Trigear only)
Hi! Herewith photo of the tie down idea on G-PTAG
Regards
Bob Harrison
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| Subject: | Eye bolt tie down through wing/flap hinge block (trike only) |
Hi! Herewith a photo of the tie down location on the wing/flap hinge block
on G-PTAG .
Regards
Bob Harrison.
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| Subject: | Re: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap |
hinge block(Trigear only)
Bob, I don't see a photo, only a data file
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 11/18/2011 12:59 PM, Bob Harrison wrote:
> Hi! Herewith photo of the tie down idea on G-PTAG
>
> Regards
>
> Bob Harrison
>
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| Subject: | Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap |
hinge block(Trigear only)
Hi! Jeff
That's why my second name is Jurassic! My damn computer is Toshiba 64 bit
on Windows 7. No doubt there will be numerous folks with the same problem.
I know Ivor Phillips and Peter Grant may convert them and re-post them again
for me, please........?
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B
Sent: 18 November 2011 19:08
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing
flap hinge block(Trigear only)
Bob, I don't see a photo, only a data file
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 11/18/2011 12:59 PM, Bob Harrison wrote:
> Hi! Herewith photo of the tie down idea on G-PTAG
>
> Regards
>
> Bob Harrison
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap |
hinge block(Trigear only)
Hopefully it should show up now.
regards
Ivor
On 18 November 2011 19:38, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi! Jeff
> That's why my second name is Jurassic! My damn computer is Toshiba 64 bit
> on Windows 7. No doubt there will be numerous folks with the same problem.
> I know Ivor Phillips and Peter Grant may convert them and re-post them
> again
> for me, please........?
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B
> Sent: 18 November 2011 19:08
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing
> flap hinge block(Trigear only)
>
>
> Bob, I don't see a photo, only a data file
>
> Jeff - Baby Blue
>
> On 11/18/2011 12:59 PM, Bob Harrison wrote:
> > Hi! Herewith photo of the tie down idea on G-PTAG
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Bob Harrison
> >
>
>
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Hi Troy,
I did not see anything in your description to suggest battery malfunction.
It did sound exactly like a failure of the charging system. Sounds like your
2.5 year old battery performed admirably in keeping you going by itself
when the regulator failed.
The approriate diagnostic test is to check the battery voltage (at the
battery) while the engine is running. If it is not > 13.5V, the charging system
is belly up.
Cheers,
Ira
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| Subject: | Re: Eye bolt tie down through wing/flap hinge block (trike |
only)
try changing the name of the downloaded file from .dat to .jpg
Cheers,
Ira
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| Subject: | Re: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap |
hinge block(Trigear only)
Perfect!
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 11/18/2011 3:54 PM, PHILLIPS I wrote:
> Hopefully it should show up now.
> regards
> Ivor
>
> On 18 November 2011 19:38, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk
> <mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk <mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>>
>
> Hi! Jeff
> That's why my second name is Jurassic! My damn computer is Toshiba
> 64 bit
> on Windows 7. No doubt there will be numerous folks with the same
> problem.
> I know Ivor Phillips and Peter Grant may convert them and re-post
> them again
> for me, please........?
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
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> Sent: 18 November 2011 19:08
> To: europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt
> though Wing
> flap hinge block(Trigear only)
>
> <mailto:topglock@cox.net>>
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> Bob, I don't see a photo, only a data file
>
> Jeff - Baby Blue
>
> On 11/18/2011 12:59 PM, Bob Harrison wrote:
> > Hi! Herewith photo of the tie down idea on G-PTAG
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Bob Harrison
> >
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Ira,
Yes the battery performed as it should. The only charging was in the hangar with
the Battery Tender Plus. You are correct about reading battery voltage. My monitor
was checking it as I flew along but I did not check it at the battery.
Troy
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Well...I feel like I just REALLY stepped in it.
While carefully, slowly, tapping 10-32 threads in 1/2" thick aluminum,
I've broken the tap.
I needn't go into detail as to what I was attempting to accomplish,
but it was in conjunction with providing bolts to the mono LG swing
arm to which brackets supporting a portion of a fairing for the main
wheel would attach.
Not sure how to proceed, though I suspect I'm not the first to break a
tap.
I'm not optimistic of being able to drill out the tool steel of the
broken tap, and even if that could be accomplished, my hunch is I'd
end up having to use a larger bolt.
One possibility would be to grind the portion of the embedded tap
which is proud of the surface of the aluminum, alter the bends in the
bracket, and drill a new hole (say) 2 diameters away from the existing
partially-plugged hole.
On the other hand, perhaps there is a well-recognized method for
extracting the broken tap?
Any suggestions?...anyone?
Fred
A194
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Fred
Your not the first and wont be the last.
If there is enough of the tap protruding fron the swing arm you can
maybe cut a screwdriver slot using a 1 cutting wheel with a Dremel or
similar tool.
Sometimes you can tap it out, ( no pun intended) using a punch against
the flutes, enough to get a grip with something more substantial.
Good Luck
Lance Sandford in Oz
>
> Well...I feel like I just REALLY stepped in it.
>
> While carefully, slowly, tapping 10-32 threads in 1/2" thick aluminum,
> I've broken the tap.
>
> I needn't go into detail as to what I was attempting to accomplish,
> but it was in conjunction with providing bolts to the mono LG swing
> arm to which brackets supporting a portion of a fairing for the main
> wheel would attach.
>
> Not sure how to proceed, though I suspect I'm not the first to break a
> tap.
>
> I'm not optimistic of being able to drill out the tool steel of the
> broken tap, and even if that could be accomplished, my hunch is I'd
> end up having to use a larger bolt.
>
> One possibility would be to grind the portion of the embedded tap
> which is proud of the surface of the aluminum, alter the bends in the
> bracket, and drill a new hole (say) 2 diameters away from the existing
> partially-plugged hole.
>
> On the other hand, perhaps there is a well-recognized method for
> extracting the broken tap?
>
> Any suggestions?...anyone?
>
> Fred
> A194
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One method I have used successfully is to use a very sharp punch (the kind
of thing you use to put dents in metal before you drill a hole) and hammer
and "unscrew" the tap by tapping the punch with a hammer in one of the
flutes in the side of the tap
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 12:15 PM
Subject: Europa-List: broken tap
Well...I feel like I just REALLY stepped in it.
While carefully, slowly, tapping 10-32 threads in 1/2" thick aluminum,
I've broken the tap.
I needn't go into detail as to what I was attempting to accomplish,
but it was in conjunction with providing bolts to the mono LG swing
arm to which brackets supporting a portion of a fairing for the main
wheel would attach.
Not sure how to proceed, though I suspect I'm not the first to break a
tap.
I'm not optimistic of being able to drill out the tool steel of the
broken tap, and even if that could be accomplished, my hunch is I'd
end up having to use a larger bolt.
One possibility would be to grind the portion of the embedded tap
which is proud of the surface of the aluminum, alter the bends in the
bracket, and drill a new hole (say) 2 diameters away from the existing
partially-plugged hole.
On the other hand, perhaps there is a well-recognized method for
extracting the broken tap?
Any suggestions?...anyone?
Fred
A194
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Hi Fred
A few ideas:
**EDM Do a Google search on EDM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_discharge_machining
You would have to bring the piece to someone with a large enough machine to accomodate
the part
**You can go after the part with a hole saw (center hollow) and take out a plug
of metal including the broken tap, but only if you promise not to ever break
another tap ;-) you could ream the hole, then put in a precise plug (with a tapped
hole in it) and "get it stuck" with 638 Locktight, that is if it is in an
area you are OK with making a larger hole in. Warm the holy part (not more than
spit sizzle) and cool the plug till the fit is a few thousands between, apply
638 and you will have one stuck plug! When it gets stuck half way, you will
have to hole saw out the plug for the first hole saw hole!
**I am not sure where the hole is, but did you ever see Pauls Swiss cheese swing
arm? Perhaps you can make yours into a piece of Swiss cheese with a hole where
the broken tap is?
**I remember seeing tap removers for two and three flute taps, they have prongs
to fit down the flutes. Perhaps have a look in McMaster, MSC and do a Google
search for broken tap removers. Search Google for procedure for removing broken
taps in aluminium. Now you will probably be breaking your promise, but on purpose
break off another tap like you already did in a sample piece and try removing
or plugging first. As far as removing stuck stuff, like Craig mentioned
you can "beat it" if that doesn't work, "beat" it and "heat" it and then "beat"
it. Watch out heating, i don't know what type of aluminium it is. I think if
you stay under 300F it's probably OK but first try ~ spit sizzle temp (~212F).
Of course you probably have a beautiful paint job on it! If thats the case,
go under paint get hurt temp.
**Bring the piece to a machine shop and I think a nice milling machine and a nice
carbide cutter may get the job done?
**For the future, unless it is a fitting that needs max. strength, drill hole over-sized
for a 60% fit instead of 75%, I like Tap Magic for aluminium and use
a very sharp tap, I like gun taps (no 1/2 turn in and 1/4 out needed), you can
still get bottoming taps.
Ron Parigoris
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On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:45 PM, rparigoris wrote:
>
> **I remember seeing tap removers for two and three flute taps, they
> have prongs to fit down the flutes. Perhaps have a look in McMaster,
Ron...excellent suggestion...I find that "4 finger" extractors
exist...and hopefully, I can find one locally which I can borrow!
Thanks much...Fred
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