---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/18/11: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:01 AM - Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap hinge block(Trigear only) (Bob Harrison) 2. 11:07 AM - Eye bolt tie down through wing/flap hinge block (trike only) (Bob Harrison) 3. 11:10 AM - Re: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap hinge block(Trigear only) (Jeff B) 4. 11:41 AM - Re: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap hinge block(Trigear only) (Bob Harrison) 5. 01:58 PM - Re: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap hinge block(Trigear only) (PHILLIPS I) 6. 02:40 PM - Re: Low Voltage (rampil) 7. 02:43 PM - Re: Eye bolt tie down through wing/flap hinge block (trike only) (rampil) 8. 02:56 PM - Re: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap hinge block(Trigear only) (Jeff B) 9. 03:09 PM - Re: Low Voltage (Troy Maynor) 10. 06:18 PM - broken tap (Fred Klein) 11. 06:52 PM - Re: broken tap (Lance Sandford) 12. 07:15 PM - Re: broken tap (craig) 13. 07:48 PM - Re: broken tap (rparigoris) 14. 08:24 PM - Re: Re: broken tap (Fred Klein) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:59 AM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap hinge block(Trigear only) Hi! Herewith photo of the tie down idea on G-PTAG Regards Bob Harrison ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:21 AM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: Eye bolt tie down through wing/flap hinge block (trike only) Hi! Herewith a photo of the tie down location on the wing/flap hinge block on G-PTAG . Regards Bob Harrison. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:21 AM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap hinge block(Trigear only) Bob, I don't see a photo, only a data file Jeff - Baby Blue On 11/18/2011 12:59 PM, Bob Harrison wrote: > Hi! Herewith photo of the tie down idea on G-PTAG > > Regards > > Bob Harrison > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:11 AM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap hinge block(Trigear only) Hi! Jeff That's why my second name is Jurassic! My damn computer is Toshiba 64 bit on Windows 7. No doubt there will be numerous folks with the same problem. I know Ivor Phillips and Peter Grant may convert them and re-post them again for me, please........? Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B Sent: 18 November 2011 19:08 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap hinge block(Trigear only) Bob, I don't see a photo, only a data file Jeff - Baby Blue On 11/18/2011 12:59 PM, Bob Harrison wrote: > Hi! Herewith photo of the tie down idea on G-PTAG > > Regards > > Bob Harrison > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:58:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap hinge block(Trigear only) From: PHILLIPS I Hopefully it should show up now. regards Ivor On 18 November 2011 19:38, Bob Harrison wrote: > > Hi! Jeff > That's why my second name is Jurassic! My damn computer is Toshiba 64 bit > on Windows 7. No doubt there will be numerous folks with the same problem. > I know Ivor Phillips and Peter Grant may convert them and re-post them > again > for me, please........? > Regards > Bob Harrison G-PTAG > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B > Sent: 18 November 2011 19:08 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing > flap hinge block(Trigear only) > > > Bob, I don't see a photo, only a data file > > Jeff - Baby Blue > > On 11/18/2011 12:59 PM, Bob Harrison wrote: > > Hi! Herewith photo of the tie down idea on G-PTAG > > > > Regards > > > > Bob Harrison > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:32 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Low Voltage From: "rampil" Hi Troy, I did not see anything in your description to suggest battery malfunction. It did sound exactly like a failure of the charging system. Sounds like your 2.5 year old battery performed admirably in keeping you going by itself when the regulator failed. The approriate diagnostic test is to check the battery voltage (at the battery) while the engine is running. If it is not > 13.5V, the charging system is belly up. Cheers, Ira -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358405#358405 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:00 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Eye bolt tie down through wing/flap hinge block (trike only) From: "rampil" try changing the name of the downloaded file from .dat to .jpg Cheers, Ira -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358406#358406 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:17 PM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt though Wing flap hinge block(Trigear only) Perfect! Jeff - Baby Blue On 11/18/2011 3:54 PM, PHILLIPS I wrote: > Hopefully it should show up now. > regards > Ivor > > On 18 November 2011 19:38, Bob Harrison > wrote: > > > > > Hi! Jeff > That's why my second name is Jurassic! My damn computer is Toshiba > 64 bit > on Windows 7. No doubt there will be numerous folks with the same > problem. > I know Ivor Phillips and Peter Grant may convert them and re-post > them again > for me, please........? > Regards > Bob Harrison G-PTAG > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Jeff B > Sent: 18 November 2011 19:08 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tie down attachment with an eye bolt > though Wing > flap hinge block(Trigear only) > > > > > Bob, I don't see a photo, only a data file > > Jeff - Baby Blue > > On 11/18/2011 12:59 PM, Bob Harrison wrote: > > Hi! Herewith photo of the tie down idea on G-PTAG > > > > Regards > > > > Bob Harrison > > > > > ========== > ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com > ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > le, List Admin. > ========== > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:51 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Low Voltage From: "Troy Maynor" Ira, Yes the battery performed as it should. The only charging was in the hangar with the Battery Tender Plus. You are correct about reading battery voltage. My monitor was checking it as I flew along but I did not check it at the battery. Troy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358411#358411 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:31 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: broken tap Well...I feel like I just REALLY stepped in it. While carefully, slowly, tapping 10-32 threads in 1/2" thick aluminum, I've broken the tap. I needn't go into detail as to what I was attempting to accomplish, but it was in conjunction with providing bolts to the mono LG swing arm to which brackets supporting a portion of a fairing for the main wheel would attach. Not sure how to proceed, though I suspect I'm not the first to break a tap. I'm not optimistic of being able to drill out the tool steel of the broken tap, and even if that could be accomplished, my hunch is I'd end up having to use a larger bolt. One possibility would be to grind the portion of the embedded tap which is proud of the surface of the aluminum, alter the bends in the bracket, and drill a new hole (say) 2 diameters away from the existing partially-plugged hole. On the other hand, perhaps there is a well-recognized method for extracting the broken tap? Any suggestions?...anyone? Fred A194 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:57 PM PST US From: Lance Sandford Subject: Re: Europa-List: broken tap Fred Your not the first and wont be the last. If there is enough of the tap protruding fron the swing arm you can maybe cut a screwdriver slot using a 1 cutting wheel with a Dremel or similar tool. Sometimes you can tap it out, ( no pun intended) using a punch against the flutes, enough to get a grip with something more substantial. Good Luck Lance Sandford in Oz > > Well...I feel like I just REALLY stepped in it. > > While carefully, slowly, tapping 10-32 threads in 1/2" thick aluminum, > I've broken the tap. > > I needn't go into detail as to what I was attempting to accomplish, > but it was in conjunction with providing bolts to the mono LG swing > arm to which brackets supporting a portion of a fairing for the main > wheel would attach. > > Not sure how to proceed, though I suspect I'm not the first to break a > tap. > > I'm not optimistic of being able to drill out the tool steel of the > broken tap, and even if that could be accomplished, my hunch is I'd > end up having to use a larger bolt. > > One possibility would be to grind the portion of the embedded tap > which is proud of the surface of the aluminum, alter the bends in the > bracket, and drill a new hole (say) 2 diameters away from the existing > partially-plugged hole. > > On the other hand, perhaps there is a well-recognized method for > extracting the broken tap? > > Any suggestions?...anyone? > > Fred > A194 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:17 PM PST US From: "craig" Subject: RE: Europa-List: broken tap One method I have used successfully is to use a very sharp punch (the kind of thing you use to put dents in metal before you drill a hole) and hammer and "unscrew" the tap by tapping the punch with a hammer in one of the flutes in the side of the tap -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 12:15 PM Subject: Europa-List: broken tap Well...I feel like I just REALLY stepped in it. While carefully, slowly, tapping 10-32 threads in 1/2" thick aluminum, I've broken the tap. I needn't go into detail as to what I was attempting to accomplish, but it was in conjunction with providing bolts to the mono LG swing arm to which brackets supporting a portion of a fairing for the main wheel would attach. Not sure how to proceed, though I suspect I'm not the first to break a tap. I'm not optimistic of being able to drill out the tool steel of the broken tap, and even if that could be accomplished, my hunch is I'd end up having to use a larger bolt. One possibility would be to grind the portion of the embedded tap which is proud of the surface of the aluminum, alter the bends in the bracket, and drill a new hole (say) 2 diameters away from the existing partially-plugged hole. On the other hand, perhaps there is a well-recognized method for extracting the broken tap? Any suggestions?...anyone? Fred A194 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:14 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: broken tap From: "rparigoris" Hi Fred A few ideas: **EDM Do a Google search on EDM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_discharge_machining You would have to bring the piece to someone with a large enough machine to accomodate the part **You can go after the part with a hole saw (center hollow) and take out a plug of metal including the broken tap, but only if you promise not to ever break another tap ;-) you could ream the hole, then put in a precise plug (with a tapped hole in it) and "get it stuck" with 638 Locktight, that is if it is in an area you are OK with making a larger hole in. Warm the holy part (not more than spit sizzle) and cool the plug till the fit is a few thousands between, apply 638 and you will have one stuck plug! When it gets stuck half way, you will have to hole saw out the plug for the first hole saw hole! **I am not sure where the hole is, but did you ever see Pauls Swiss cheese swing arm? Perhaps you can make yours into a piece of Swiss cheese with a hole where the broken tap is? **I remember seeing tap removers for two and three flute taps, they have prongs to fit down the flutes. Perhaps have a look in McMaster, MSC and do a Google search for broken tap removers. Search Google for procedure for removing broken taps in aluminium. Now you will probably be breaking your promise, but on purpose break off another tap like you already did in a sample piece and try removing or plugging first. As far as removing stuck stuff, like Craig mentioned you can "beat it" if that doesn't work, "beat" it and "heat" it and then "beat" it. Watch out heating, i don't know what type of aluminium it is. I think if you stay under 300F it's probably OK but first try ~ spit sizzle temp (~212F). Of course you probably have a beautiful paint job on it! If thats the case, go under paint get hurt temp. **Bring the piece to a machine shop and I think a nice milling machine and a nice carbide cutter may get the job done? **For the future, unless it is a fitting that needs max. strength, drill hole over-sized for a 60% fit instead of 75%, I like Tap Magic for aluminium and use a very sharp tap, I like gun taps (no 1/2 turn in and 1/4 out needed), you can still get bottoming taps. Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358433#358433 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:58 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: broken tap On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:45 PM, rparigoris wrote: > > **I remember seeing tap removers for two and three flute taps, they > have prongs to fit down the flutes. Perhaps have a look in McMaster, Ron...excellent suggestion...I find that "4 finger" extractors exist...and hopefully, I can find one locally which I can borrow! 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