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1. 02:44 AM - Flap up method for single handed rigging (Tony Renshaw)
2. 03:14 AM - Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
3. 03:21 AM - Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging (Bob Harrison)
4. 06:38 AM - Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
5. 08:11 AM - Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging (Fred Klein)
6. 12:09 PM - Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging (Tony Renshaw)
7. 12:47 PM - Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging (Steven Pitt)
8. 12:56 PM - Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging (Robert Borger)
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| Subject: | Flap up method for single handed rigging |
Gidday,
I am about to set up my wings to the fuselage for the first time and see a problem
for single handed rigging. I am wondering if there is a design of a portable,
light system of a strap setup or similar that clips onto the leading edge
of the wing, and then goes up over a block setup that sits just above the flap
closeout on the top of the wing, and then clips onto the trailing edge of the
flap, consequently allowing the flap to "not fall forward on its hinges when
the wing is rotated to the horizontal. I have a mod in my wingtips from Chuck
Popenoe where I can rotisserie the wings and move them around single handed, with
the tip supported by an inverted T section on castors. Once the wing is located
it would be nice to be able to push it home from the wingtip, but the flap
will need supporting. Any suggestions on how this can be done would be much
appreciated.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Aussie.
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| Subject: | Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging |
Tony=0AI always rig with the flaps down, the flap will then engage with the
operating =0Apin but you need a tapered guide in the flap root=0Ato locate
for the final entering of the pin.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________
_____________=0AFrom: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>=0ATo: europa-
list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, 20 November, 2011 10:40:27=0ASubject: Eu
ropa-List: Flap up method for single handed rigging=0A=0A--> Europa-List me
ssage posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>=0A=0AGidday,=0AI a
m about to set up my wings to the fuselage for the first time and see a =0A
problem for single handed rigging. I am wondering if there is a design of a
=0Aportable, light system of a strap setup or similar that clips onto the
leading =0Aedge of the wing, and then goes up over a block setup that sits
just above the =0Aflap closeout on the top of the wing, and then clips onto
the trailing edge of =0Athe flap, consequently allowing the flap to "not f
all forward on its hinges when =0Athe wing is rotated to the horizontal. I
have a mod in my wingtips from Chuck =0APopenoe where I can rotisserie the
wings and move them around single handed, =0Awith the tip supported by an i
nverted T section on castors. Once the wing is =0Alocated it would be nice
to be able to push it home from the wingtip, but the =0Aflap will need supp
orting. Any suggestions on how this can be done would be much =0Aappreciate
============
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| Subject: | Flap up method for single handed rigging |
Hi! Tony
I achieved this by including a tapered guide tube within the flap close out
extension. The flap is allowed to fall into fully down position and the
flap drive tube is also fully down .This tube receives the flap drive tube
and guides it to be exactly in line with the flap drive pin so that it
engages when you push the wing home into the spar socket. This can be
applied to both flap close outs. For each wing.
I also have welded metal RAMP extensions to the spar starboard socket which
guide the port spar home into place as you push the port wing into place,
this ensures the port spa is guided into the socket on the other side of the
aircraft for single person rigging.
I did publish photos of both of these items many eons ago . You may be able
to search and still find them somewhere in the Europa Cyberspace.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw
Sent: 20 November 2011 10:40
Subject: Europa-List: Flap up method for single handed rigging
Gidday,
I am about to set up my wings to the fuselage for the first time and see a
problem for single handed rigging. I am wondering if there is a design of a
portable, light system of a strap setup or similar that clips onto the
leading edge of the wing, and then goes up over a block setup that sits just
above the flap closeout on the top of the wing, and then clips onto the
trailing edge of the flap, consequently allowing the flap to "not fall
forward on its hinges when the wing is rotated to the horizontal. I have a
mod in my wingtips from Chuck Popenoe where I can rotisserie the wings and
move them around single handed, with the tip supported by an inverted T
section on castors. Once the wing is located it would be nice to be able to
push it home from the wingtip, but the flap will need supporting. Any
suggestions on how this can be done would be much appreciated.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Aussie.
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| Subject: | Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging |
Good description Bob!=0AGraham, cryptic mode!=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________
______________=0AFrom: Bob Harrison <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>=0ATo: europa-l
ist@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, 20 November, 2011 11:18:21=0ASubject: RE:
Europa-List: Flap up method for single handed rigging=0A=0A--> Europa-List
message posted by: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>=0A=0AHi! Tony
=0AI achieved this by including a tapered guide tube within the flap close
out=0Aextension. The flap is allowed to fall into fully down position and
the=0Aflap drive tube is also fully down .This tube receives the flap drive
tube=0Aand guides it to be exactly in line with the flap drive pin so that
it=0Aengages when you push the wing home into the spar socket. This can b
e=0Aapplied to both flap close outs. For each wing.=0AI also have welded me
tal RAMP extensions to the spar starboard socket which=0Aguide the port spa
r home into place as you push the port wing into place,=0Athis ensures the
port spa is guided into the socket on the other side of the=0Aaircraft for
single person rigging.=0AI did publish photos of both of these items many e
ons ago . You may be able=0Ato search and still find them somewhere in the
Europa Cyberspace.=0ARegards=0ABob Harrison G-PTAG=0A=0A-----Original Messa
ge-----=0AFrom: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-euro
pa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw=0ASent: 20 November
2011 10:40=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Europa-List: Flap up
ony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>=0A=0AGidday,=0AI am about to set up
my wings to the fuselage for the first time and see a=0Aproblem for single
handed rigging. I am wondering if there is a design of a=0Aportable, light
system of a strap setup or similar that clips onto the=0Aleading edge of th
e wing, and then goes up over a block setup that sits just=0Aabove the flap
closeout on the top of the wing, and then clips onto the=0Atrailing edge o
f the flap, consequently allowing the flap to "not fall=0Aforward on its hi
nges when the wing is rotated to the horizontal. I have a=0Amod in my wingt
ips from Chuck Popenoe where I can rotisserie the wings and=0Amove them aro
und single handed, with the tip supported by an inverted T=0Asection on cas
tors. Once the wing is located it would be nice to be able to=0Apush it hom
e from the wingtip, but the flap will need supporting. Any=0Asuggestions on
how this can be done would be much appreciated.=0AReg=0ATony Renshaw=0ASyd
=====
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| Subject: | Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging |
On Nov 20, 2011, at 2:40 AM, Tony Renshaw wrote:
> Once the wing is located it would be nice to be able to push it home
> from the wingtip, but the flap will need supporting.
Tony,
With your fixed conventional LG, I assume that you'll be using
electric flaps...if that's the case, you have some options on the
positioning of the flap tube control during your wing attachment
process. If flap control shows flaps retracted, a strap around the
wing holding the flaps in the retracted position could be handy.
I make this comment solely from noting that while moving my wings
around the shop with the flaps flapping around can be
irritating...alas, I have zero experience attaching the wings at a
proper airfield.
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging |
Thanks Fred,Bob Graham and co re flap rigging. I will have electric flaps and could
therefore rig with the flaps at any position. At the moment they will fall
right out of the close out and rotate such that the trailing edge of the flap
can be against the wing, because I don't have the outrigger hardware to create
an extended stop. I either need to come up with an extended stop for my flaps,
or rig the wing with the flaps up. Has any of the electric flap Tri-gear guys
managed this other ways, or have any suggestions?
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sent from my iPad
On 21/11/2011, at 3:08 AM, Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2011, at 2:40 AM, Tony Renshaw wrote:
>
>> Once the wing is located it would be nice to be able to push it home from the
wingtip, but the flap will need supporting.
>
> Tony,
>
> With your fixed conventional LG, I assume that you'll be using electric flaps...if
that's the case, you have some options on the positioning of the flap tube
control during your wing attachment process. If flap control shows flaps retracted,
a strap around the wing holding the flaps in the retracted position could
be handy.
>
> I make this comment solely from noting that while moving my wings around the
shop with the flaps flapping around can be irritating...alas, I have zero experience
attaching the wings at a proper airfield.
>
> Fred
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging |
Tony,
I have tried single handed rigging with my trigear and the flaps are only
one of the issues. However, I have used a short set of bungies hooked to the
back pip pin and flap holes to hold the flap in position (a plagiarised
idea) and although it needs care the bungie provides a bit of flexibility
when pushing the wing home. A simple solution and it also helps to ensure
the flap does not drop when turning from the vertical to the horizontal.
Hope this helps.
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
Trigear XS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap up method for single handed rigging
>
> Thanks Fred,Bob Graham and co re flap rigging. I will have electric flaps
> and could therefore rig with the flaps at any position. At the moment they
> will fall right out of the close out and rotate such that the trailing
> edge of the flap can be against the wing, because I don't have the
> outrigger hardware to create an extended stop. I either need to come up
> with an extended stop for my flaps, or rig the wing with the flaps up. Has
> any of the electric flap Tri-gear guys managed this other ways, or have
> any suggestions?
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 21/11/2011, at 3:08 AM, Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2011, at 2:40 AM, Tony Renshaw wrote:
>>
>>> Once the wing is located it would be nice to be able to push it home
>>> from the wingtip, but the flap will need supporting.
>>
>> Tony,
>>
>> With your fixed conventional LG, I assume that you'll be using electric
>> flaps...if that's the case, you have some options on the positioning of
>> the flap tube control during your wing attachment process. If flap
>> control shows flaps retracted, a strap around the wing holding the flaps
>> in the retracted position could be handy.
>>
>> I make this comment solely from noting that while moving my wings around
>> the shop with the flaps flapping around can be irritating...alas, I have
>> zero experience attaching the wings at a proper airfield.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging |
Tony,
Go download Chapter 9T Fitting ailerons & flaps to wing - Trigear. On page 9T-6,
9T-9, 9T-11 & 9T-17 they show part TGW-1 which serves to limit the extension
of the Flap. You could make up a similar piece from 1/8" aluminum and attach
it to the outer flap support bracket as illustrated. Adjust the slot to allow
full retraction and full extension and you are in business. You have a retaining
mechanism for flap extension.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Nov 20, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Tony Renshaw wrote:
>
> Thanks Fred,Bob Graham and co re flap rigging. I will have electric flaps and
could therefore rig with the flaps at any position. At the moment they will fall
right out of the close out and rotate such that the trailing edge of the flap
can be against the wing, because I don't have the outrigger hardware to create
an extended stop. I either need to come up with an extended stop for my flaps,
or rig the wing with the flaps up. Has any of the electric flap Tri-gear
guys managed this other ways, or have any suggestions?
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
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