---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/20/11: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:44 AM - Flap up method for single handed rigging (Tony Renshaw) 2. 03:14 AM - Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 3. 03:21 AM - Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging (Bob Harrison) 4. 06:38 AM - Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 5. 08:11 AM - Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging (Fred Klein) 6. 12:09 PM - Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging (Tony Renshaw) 7. 12:47 PM - Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging (Steven Pitt) 8. 12:56 PM - Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging (Robert Borger) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:04 AM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Flap up method for single handed rigging Gidday, I am about to set up my wings to the fuselage for the first time and see a problem for single handed rigging. I am wondering if there is a design of a portable, light system of a strap setup or similar that clips onto the leading edge of the wing, and then goes up over a block setup that sits just above the flap closeout on the top of the wing, and then clips onto the trailing edge of the flap, consequently allowing the flap to "not fall forward on its hinges when the wing is rotated to the horizontal. I have a mod in my wingtips from Chuck Popenoe where I can rotisserie the wings and move them around single handed, with the tip supported by an inverted T section on castors. Once the wing is located it would be nice to be able to push it home from the wingtip, but the flap will need supporting. Any suggestions on how this can be done would be much appreciated. Reg Tony Renshaw Sydney Aussie. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:59 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap up method for single handed rigging Tony=0AI always rig with the flaps down, the flap will then engage with the operating =0Apin but you need a tapered guide in the flap root=0Ato locate for the final entering of the pin.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________ _____________=0AFrom: Tony Renshaw =0ATo: europa- list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, 20 November, 2011 10:40:27=0ASubject: Eu ropa-List: Flap up method for single handed rigging=0A=0A--> Europa-List me ssage posted by: Tony Renshaw =0A=0AGidday,=0AI a m about to set up my wings to the fuselage for the first time and see a =0A problem for single handed rigging. I am wondering if there is a design of a =0Aportable, light system of a strap setup or similar that clips onto the leading =0Aedge of the wing, and then goes up over a block setup that sits just above the =0Aflap closeout on the top of the wing, and then clips onto the trailing edge of =0Athe flap, consequently allowing the flap to "not f all forward on its hinges when =0Athe wing is rotated to the horizontal. I have a mod in my wingtips from Chuck =0APopenoe where I can rotisserie the wings and move them around single handed, =0Awith the tip supported by an i nverted T section on castors. Once the wing is =0Alocated it would be nice to be able to push it home from the wingtip, but the =0Aflap will need supp orting. Any suggestions on how this can be done would be much =0Aappreciate ============ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:03 AM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Flap up method for single handed rigging Hi! Tony I achieved this by including a tapered guide tube within the flap close out extension. The flap is allowed to fall into fully down position and the flap drive tube is also fully down .This tube receives the flap drive tube and guides it to be exactly in line with the flap drive pin so that it engages when you push the wing home into the spar socket. This can be applied to both flap close outs. For each wing. I also have welded metal RAMP extensions to the spar starboard socket which guide the port spar home into place as you push the port wing into place, this ensures the port spa is guided into the socket on the other side of the aircraft for single person rigging. I did publish photos of both of these items many eons ago . You may be able to search and still find them somewhere in the Europa Cyberspace. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw Sent: 20 November 2011 10:40 Subject: Europa-List: Flap up method for single handed rigging Gidday, I am about to set up my wings to the fuselage for the first time and see a problem for single handed rigging. I am wondering if there is a design of a portable, light system of a strap setup or similar that clips onto the leading edge of the wing, and then goes up over a block setup that sits just above the flap closeout on the top of the wing, and then clips onto the trailing edge of the flap, consequently allowing the flap to "not fall forward on its hinges when the wing is rotated to the horizontal. I have a mod in my wingtips from Chuck Popenoe where I can rotisserie the wings and move them around single handed, with the tip supported by an inverted T section on castors. Once the wing is located it would be nice to be able to push it home from the wingtip, but the flap will need supporting. Any suggestions on how this can be done would be much appreciated. Reg Tony Renshaw Sydney Aussie. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:45 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap up method for single handed rigging Good description Bob!=0AGraham, cryptic mode!=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________ ______________=0AFrom: Bob Harrison =0ATo: europa-l ist@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, 20 November, 2011 11:18:21=0ASubject: RE: Europa-List: Flap up method for single handed rigging=0A=0A--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Harrison" =0A=0AHi! Tony =0AI achieved this by including a tapered guide tube within the flap close out=0Aextension. The flap is allowed to fall into fully down position and the=0Aflap drive tube is also fully down .This tube receives the flap drive tube=0Aand guides it to be exactly in line with the flap drive pin so that it=0Aengages when you push the wing home into the spar socket. This can b e=0Aapplied to both flap close outs. For each wing.=0AI also have welded me tal RAMP extensions to the spar starboard socket which=0Aguide the port spa r home into place as you push the port wing into place,=0Athis ensures the port spa is guided into the socket on the other side of the=0Aaircraft for single person rigging.=0AI did publish photos of both of these items many e ons ago . You may be able=0Ato search and still find them somewhere in the Europa Cyberspace.=0ARegards=0ABob Harrison G-PTAG=0A=0A-----Original Messa ge-----=0AFrom: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-euro pa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw=0ASent: 20 November 2011 10:40=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Europa-List: Flap up ony Renshaw =0A=0AGidday,=0AI am about to set up my wings to the fuselage for the first time and see a=0Aproblem for single handed rigging. I am wondering if there is a design of a=0Aportable, light system of a strap setup or similar that clips onto the=0Aleading edge of th e wing, and then goes up over a block setup that sits just=0Aabove the flap closeout on the top of the wing, and then clips onto the=0Atrailing edge o f the flap, consequently allowing the flap to "not fall=0Aforward on its hi nges when the wing is rotated to the horizontal. I have a=0Amod in my wingt ips from Chuck Popenoe where I can rotisserie the wings and=0Amove them aro und single handed, with the tip supported by an inverted T=0Asection on cas tors. Once the wing is located it would be nice to be able to=0Apush it hom e from the wingtip, but the flap will need supporting. Any=0Asuggestions on how this can be done would be much appreciated.=0AReg=0ATony Renshaw=0ASyd ===== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:41 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap up method for single handed rigging On Nov 20, 2011, at 2:40 AM, Tony Renshaw wrote: > Once the wing is located it would be nice to be able to push it home > from the wingtip, but the flap will need supporting. Tony, With your fixed conventional LG, I assume that you'll be using electric flaps...if that's the case, you have some options on the positioning of the flap tube control during your wing attachment process. If flap control shows flaps retracted, a strap around the wing holding the flaps in the retracted position could be handy. I make this comment solely from noting that while moving my wings around the shop with the flaps flapping around can be irritating...alas, I have zero experience attaching the wings at a proper airfield. Fred ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap up method for single handed rigging From: Tony Renshaw Thanks Fred,Bob Graham and co re flap rigging. I will have electric flaps and could therefore rig with the flaps at any position. At the moment they will fall right out of the close out and rotate such that the trailing edge of the flap can be against the wing, because I don't have the outrigger hardware to create an extended stop. I either need to come up with an extended stop for my flaps, or rig the wing with the flaps up. Has any of the electric flap Tri-gear guys managed this other ways, or have any suggestions? Reg Tony Renshaw Sent from my iPad On 21/11/2011, at 3:08 AM, Fred Klein wrote: > > > On Nov 20, 2011, at 2:40 AM, Tony Renshaw wrote: > >> Once the wing is located it would be nice to be able to push it home from the wingtip, but the flap will need supporting. > > Tony, > > With your fixed conventional LG, I assume that you'll be using electric flaps...if that's the case, you have some options on the positioning of the flap tube control during your wing attachment process. If flap control shows flaps retracted, a strap around the wing holding the flaps in the retracted position could be handy. > > I make this comment solely from noting that while moving my wings around the shop with the flaps flapping around can be irritating...alas, I have zero experience attaching the wings at a proper airfield. > > Fred > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:09 PM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap up method for single handed rigging Tony, I have tried single handed rigging with my trigear and the flaps are only one of the issues. However, I have used a short set of bungies hooked to the back pip pin and flap holes to hold the flap in position (a plagiarised idea) and although it needs care the bungie provides a bit of flexibility when pushing the wing home. A simple solution and it also helps to ensure the flap does not drop when turning from the vertical to the horizontal. Hope this helps. Steve Pitt G-SMDH Trigear XS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Renshaw" Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 8:04 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap up method for single handed rigging > > Thanks Fred,Bob Graham and co re flap rigging. I will have electric flaps > and could therefore rig with the flaps at any position. At the moment they > will fall right out of the close out and rotate such that the trailing > edge of the flap can be against the wing, because I don't have the > outrigger hardware to create an extended stop. I either need to come up > with an extended stop for my flaps, or rig the wing with the flaps up. Has > any of the electric flap Tri-gear guys managed this other ways, or have > any suggestions? > Reg > Tony Renshaw > > Sent from my iPad > > On 21/11/2011, at 3:08 AM, Fred Klein wrote: > >> >> >> On Nov 20, 2011, at 2:40 AM, Tony Renshaw wrote: >> >>> Once the wing is located it would be nice to be able to push it home >>> from the wingtip, but the flap will need supporting. >> >> Tony, >> >> With your fixed conventional LG, I assume that you'll be using electric >> flaps...if that's the case, you have some options on the positioning of >> the flap tube control during your wing attachment process. If flap >> control shows flaps retracted, a strap around the wing holding the flaps >> in the retracted position could be handy. >> >> I make this comment solely from noting that while moving my wings around >> the shop with the flaps flapping around can be irritating...alas, I have >> zero experience attaching the wings at a proper airfield. >> >> Fred >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap up method for single handed rigging From: Robert Borger Tony, Go download Chapter 9T Fitting ailerons & flaps to wing - Trigear. On page 9T-6, 9T-9, 9T-11 & 9T-17 they show part TGW-1 which serves to limit the extension of the Flap. You could make up a similar piece from 1/8" aluminum and attach it to the outer flap support bracket as illustrated. Adjust the slot to allow full retraction and full extension and you are in business. You have a retaining mechanism for flap extension. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Nov 20, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Tony Renshaw wrote: > > Thanks Fred,Bob Graham and co re flap rigging. I will have electric flaps and could therefore rig with the flaps at any position. At the moment they will fall right out of the close out and rotate such that the trailing edge of the flap can be against the wing, because I don't have the outrigger hardware to create an extended stop. I either need to come up with an extended stop for my flaps, or rig the wing with the flaps up. Has any of the electric flap Tri-gear guys managed this other ways, or have any suggestions? > Reg > Tony Renshaw ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.