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1. 02:31 AM - Re: Eye bolt tie down through wing/flap hinge block (trike only) (Frans Veldman)
2. 02:51 AM - Re: Eye bolt tie down through wing/flap hinge block (trike only) (Gerry Holland)
3. 05:14 AM - Re: Flap up method for single handed rigging (Christoph Both)
4. 06:19 AM - Re: Fw: question from Rough River (Peter Jeffers)
5. 07:09 AM - Re: Fw: question from Rough River (Jeffrey Roberts)
6. 07:17 AM - Re: Fw: question from Rough River (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
7. 07:39 AM - Re: Fw: question from Rough River (Robert Borger)
8. 07:42 AM - Re: Fw: question from Rough River (Peter Jeffers)
9. 07:50 AM - Re: Stick control movement - how many degrees? (hagargs)
10. 08:57 AM - Re: Fw: question from Rough River (Jeff B)
11. 09:18 AM - Re: Fw: question from Rough River (Gary Leinberger)
12. 12:31 PM - Re: Eye bolt tie down through wing/flap hinge block (trike only) (Gavin and Anne Lee)
13. 03:37 PM - Wiring connectors (Tony Renshaw)
14. 04:26 PM - Re: Wiring connectors (Rob Housman)
15. 04:33 PM - Re: Wiring connectors (Robert Borger)
16. 10:57 PM - Re: Wiring connectors (pestar)
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| Subject: | Re: Eye bolt tie down through wing/flap hinge block (trike |
only)
On 11/22/2011 01:35 AM, Nigel Graham wrote:
> Don't forget that this mounting point was originally designed and
> stressed to mount the outrigger on the original mono-wheel. Consider if
> you will, the compressive shock loads imposed by an unforgiving landing
> on rough grass,
Yes, I realize that. But what is the duration of a landing roll compared
to a whole night in constant movement due to the wind? it is unlikely
that you will experience metal fatigue just due to the landings, but how
about prolonged rocking in the wind? Isn't this the same reason why we
try to restrain the flight controls while parked in the wind? Normal
rudder use is different than constant movement due to the wind, although
the movement by itself is similar.
> or the lateral loads imposed during turning.
I don't have a mono but I think the lateral load is taken up solely by
the main gear, and the outrigger just keeps the wing of the ground.
I doubt that the hinge attach points will see any sideways loads at all
during their life, that is, if they are used for their intended purposes
only.
It is just a piece of metal sticking out of the wing, I can imagine that
it can easily develop metal fatigue just at the edge where it protrudes
if you wiggle it long enough. The material and the construction both
indicate that it is not designed for this kind of movement, but I'm not
a metallurgist so I could be wrong.
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Eye bolt tie down through wing/flap hinge block (trike |
only)
Regarding laterals loads on outriggers.
Watching a Europa Mono turn or manoeuvre on the ground and especially grass is
a torturous sight. Being pull backwards, even worse.
The nylon often bends way out of true and that must inflict loads to the mountings.
They seem sufficient in that case.
I fitted tie down eyes to the outboard Flap fixings on a Trigear. Based on the
insight of that fixing area when building it, I think it has a good strength capability
and doesn't compromise long term fixing.
All of this is my ageing and confused opinion!
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Flap up method for single handed rigging |
Hi,
I use a piece of duct tape holding the flaps temporarily in place (all up) while
rigging single-handedly having set the electric flap position (TRI) to full
"up". The flap pin meets the bushing proper. Once rigged I tear the duct tape
off, for next time.
Christoph Both
#223, Wolfville, Nova Scotia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 6:51 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Flap up method for single handed rigging
Hi! Tony.
You have me completely baffled . My a/c is a trike and has the
electric drive flaps.
However it also has a slotted link in the outboard hinge
mechanism on each wing which prevents the flap from falling past fully
extended position.
I can not for the life of me understand why you would need to leave
this hard ware out. when it serves the purpose which you are trying to
solve?
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-
server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw
Sent: 20 November 2011 20:05
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap up method for single handed rigging
com>
Thanks Fred,Bob Graham and co re flap rigging. I will have electric
flaps and could therefore rig with the flaps at any position. At the
moment they will fall right out of the close out and rotate such that
the trailing edge of the flap can be against the wing, because I don't
have the outrigger hardware to create an extended stop. I either need
to come up with an extended stop for my flaps, or rig the wing with the
flaps up. Has any of the electric flap Tri-gear guys managed this other
ways, or have any suggestions?
Reg
Tony Renshaw
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| Subject: | Fwd: question from Rough River |
Hi all,
Sue and I are UK Europa owner/flyers and we visited the Rough River fly in
(not in our Europa) two years ago. We had a great time albeit with no
Europas due weather. We would very much like to attend again but leaving
the UK before the later part of September is not practical. We normally
holiday in Florida in the Autunm so would like to be able to combine that
with Rough River.
So yes we would like to request as late as possible in September or early
October. It may also encourage one or two other Europeans to attend.
Just a thought.
Pete
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jimpuglise@comcast.net
Sent: 21 November 2011 20:54
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: question from Rough River
Jeff-
Later would be better for all concerned I think. The more we can push it
toward the end of September, or maybe even the first part of October, the
better.
Jim Puglise
_____
From: "Jeffrey Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 11:44:21 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: question from Rough River
To All,
Below is a note that I received today from Rough River. I apologize not
being able to make it last year as life got in the way. It seems maybe Labor
day weekend may not be the best time for this event. A lot of Family
commitments for all. I think this year we should consider maybe the week
after or even two weeks after as we did a few years back. I seem to remember
there was someone else that was considering planning the 2012 event. If so
let me know or I would be happy to do it. Either way is fine but maybe we
should go for a list earlier this year to see if the interest is still
there. Looks like by there message below their prices have been lowered a
bit. I for one will do my best to attend. My Kid is back in the states and
most family emergencies have subsided... LOL!
Regards,
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
Begin forwarded message:
From: "Clark, Donna F (Parks)" <DonnaF.Clark@ky.gov>
Subject: question from Rough River
Morning,
Just checking in to see if you would like to book for September 2012
Lodging prices are lower:-)
Lodge Room $80.96
Standard Cottage$107.96
Thanks
Group Sales Coordinator
Rough River State Dam Park
450 Lodge Road
Falls of Rough Ky,40119
270-257-2311
1-800-325-1713
DonnaF.Clark@ky.gov
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: question from Rough River |
Getting us a latter date shouldn't be a problem. Before I book it, how
about we take a quick survey. I'll list the weekends here. Just vote as
I have done and this will give us all a feel as to who will try and make
it and what are the best dates. As they say you can't please everyone
but maybe we can work towards it. Please keep in mind weather could
start being more of a factor as we get close to October. Then again???
September Weekends. - Vote / Name
7th & 8th...
15th & 16th... Jeff R Gold Rush
22nd & 23rd...
28th & 29th...
October
5th & 6th...
On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Peter Jeffers wrote:
> Hi all,
> Sue and I are UK Europa owner/flyers and we visited the Rough River
fly in (not in our Europa) two years ago. We had a great time albeit
with no Europas due weather. We would very much like to attend again
but leaving the UK before the later part of September is not practical.
We normally holiday in Florida in the Autunm so would like to be able to
combine that with Rough River.
> So yes we would like to request as late as possible in September or
early October. It may also encourage one or two other Europeans to
attend.
> Just a thought.
>
> Pete
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jimpuglise@comcast.net
> Sent: 21 November 2011 20:54
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: question from Rough River
>
> Jeff-
>
> Later would be better for all concerned I think. The more we can push
it toward the end of September, or maybe even the first part of October,
the better.
>
> Jim Puglise
>
> From: "Jeffrey Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 11:44:21 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: question from Rough River
>
> To All,
> Below is a note that I received today from Rough River. I apologize
not being able to make it last year as life got in the way. It seems
maybe Labor day weekend may not be the best time for this event. A lot
of Family commitments for all. I think this year we should consider
maybe the week after or even two weeks after as we did a few years back.
I seem to remember there was someone else that was considering planning
the 2012 event. If so let me know or I would be happy to do it. Either
way is fine but maybe we should go for a list earlier this year to see
if the interest is still there. Looks like by there message below their
prices have been lowered a bit. I for one will do my best to attend. My
Kid is back in the states and most family emergencies have subsided...
LOL!
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: "Clark, Donna F (Parks)" <DonnaF.Clark@ky.gov>
> Date: November 21, 2011 10:23:08 AM CST
> To: <jeff@rmmm.net>
> Subject: question from Rough River
>
>
>
> Morning,
> Just checking in to see if you would like to book for September 2012
> Lodging prices are lowerJ
> Lodge Room $80.96
> Standard Cottage$107.96
> Thanks
> Group Sales Coordinator
> Rough River State Dam Park
> 450 Lodge Road
> Falls of Rough Ky,40119
> 270-257-2311
> 1-800-325-1713
> DonnaF.Clark@ky.gov
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> www.buildersbooks.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: question from Rough River |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 10:05:42 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: question from Rough River
Getting us a latter date shouldn't be a problem. Before I book it, how about we
take a quick survey. I'll list the weekends here. Just vote as I have done and
this will give us all a feel as to who will try and make it and what are the
best dates. As they say you can't please everyone but maybe we can work towards
it. Please keep in mind weather could start being more of a factor as we get
close to October. Then again???
September Weekends. - Vote / Name
7th & 8th...
15th & 16th... Jeff R Gold Rush
22nd & 23rd...
28th & 29th...
October
5th & 6th... Jim and Lynne N283JL
On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Peter Jeffers wrote:
Hi all,
Sue and I are UK Europa owner/flyers and we visited the Rough River fly in (not
in our Europa) two years ago. We had a great time albeit with no Europas due
weather. We would very much like to attend again but leaving the UK before the
later part of September is not practical. We normally holiday in Florida in the
Autunm so would like to be able to combine that with Rough River.
So yes we would like to request as late as possible in September or early October.
It may also encourage one or two other Europeans to attend.
Just a thought.
Pete
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimpuglise@comcast.net
Sent: 21 November 2011 20:54
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: question from Rough River
Jeff-
Later would be better for all concerned I think. The more we can push it toward
the end of September, or maybe even the first part of October, the better.
Jim Puglise
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Roberts" < jeff@rmmm.net >
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 11:44:21 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: question from Rough River
To All,
Below is a note that I received today from Rough River. I apologize not being able
to make it last year as life got in the way. It seems maybe Labor day weekend
may not be the best time for this event. A lot of Family commitments for all.
I think this year we should consider maybe the week after or even two weeks
after as we did a few years back. I seem to remember there was someone else
that was considering planning the 2012 event. If so let me know or I would be
happy to do it. Either way is fine but maybe we should go for a list earlier this
year to see if the interest is still there. Looks like by there message below
their prices have been lowered a bit. I for one will do my best to attend.
My Kid is back in the states and most family emergencies have subsided... LOL!
Regards,
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
Begin forwarded message:
<blockquote>
From: "Clark, Donna F (Parks)" < DonnaF.Clark@ky.gov >
Subject: question from Rough River
Morning,
Just checking in to see if you would like to book for September 2012
Lodging prices are lower J
Lodge Room $80.96
Standard Cottage$107.96
Thanks
Group Sales Coordinator
Rough River State Dam Park
450 Lodge Road
Falls of Rough Ky,40119
270-257-2311
1-800-325-1713
DonnaF.Clark@ky.gov
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: question from Rough River |
Jeff,
Any of the dates are fine with us.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Jeffrey Roberts wrote:
> Getting us a latter date shouldn't be a problem. Before I book it, how about
we take a quick survey. I'll list the weekends here. Just vote as I have done
and this will give us all a feel as to who will try and make it and what are the
best dates. As they say you can't please everyone but maybe we can work towards
it. Please keep in mind weather could start being more of a factor as we
get close to October. Then again???
>
> September Weekends. - Vote / Name
>
>
> 7th & 8th...
>
> 15th & 16th... Jeff R Gold Rush
>
> 22nd & 23rd...
>
> 28th & 29th...
>
> October
>
> 5th & 6th...
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| Subject: | Fwd: question from Rough River |
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Roberts
Sent: 22 November 2011 15:06
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: question from Rough River
Getting us a latter date shouldn't be a problem. Before I book it, how about
we take a quick survey. I'll list the weekends here. Just vote as I have
done and this will give us all a feel as to who will try and make it and
what are the best dates. As they say you can't please everyone but maybe we
can work towards it. Please keep in mind weather could start being more of a
factor as we get close to October. Then again???
September Weekends. - Vote / Name
7th & 8th...
15th & 16th... Jeff R Gold Rush
22nd & 23rd...
28th & 29th... Pete & Sue Jeffers Choice 2
October
5th & 6th... Pete & Sue Jeffers (UK) Choice 1
On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Peter Jeffers wrote:
Hi all,
Sue and I are UK Europa owner/flyers and we visited the Rough River fly in
(not in our Europa) two years ago. We had a great time albeit with no
Europas due weather. We would very much like to attend again but leaving
the UK before the later part of September is not practical. We normally
holiday in Florida in the Autunm so would like to be able to combine that
with Rough River.
So yes we would like to request as late as possible in September or early
October. It may also encourage one or two other Europeans to attend.
Just a thought.
Pete
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jimpuglise@comcast.net
Sent: 21 November 2011 20:54
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: question from Rough River
Jeff-
Later would be better for all concerned I think. The more we can push it
toward the end of September, or maybe even the first part of October, the
better.
Jim Puglise
_____
From: "Jeffrey Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 11:44:21 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: question from Rough River
To All,
Below is a note that I received today from Rough River. I apologize not
being able to make it last year as life got in the way. It seems maybe Labor
day weekend may not be the best time for this event. A lot of Family
commitments for all. I think this year we should consider maybe the week
after or even two weeks after as we did a few years back. I seem to remember
there was someone else that was considering planning the 2012 event. If so
let me know or I would be happy to do it. Either way is fine but maybe we
should go for a list earlier this year to see if the interest is still
there. Looks like by there message below their prices have been lowered a
bit. I for one will do my best to attend. My Kid is back in the states and
most family emergencies have subsided... LOL!
Regards,
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
Begin forwarded message:
From: "Clark, Donna F (Parks)" <DonnaF.Clark@ky.gov>
Subject: question from Rough River
Morning,
Just checking in to see if you would like to book for September 2012
Lodging prices are lower:-)
Lodge Room $80.96
Standard Cottage$107.96
Thanks
Group Sales Coordinator
Rough River State Dam Park
450 Lodge Road
Falls of Rough Ky,40119
270-257-2311
1-800-325-1713
DonnaF.Clark@ky.gov
_blank">www.aeroelectric.com
" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Stick control movement - how many degrees? |
It depends on how fat your legs are. No matter how far the stick swings its not
going to get past your legs when you are sitting in the seat.
Steve Hagar
-----Original Message-----
>From: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 21, 2011 10:01 PM
>To: Europa List <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Stick control movement - how many degrees?
>
>
>It seems the suggested 5-7mm gap between the CS08 crank and the
>cockpit floor may cause interference of the control stick. Some
>builders have suggested increasing this gap. I hate guessing how much
>gap to leave, so it would help if I knew how many degrees the stick is
>expected to swing for a full left or right deflection. Does anyone
>have this information, or willing to check for me?
>Thanks!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: question from Rough River |
Jeff,
I'm good with whatever...
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 11/22/2011 9:14 AM, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote:
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Jeffrey Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net>
> *To: *europa-list@matronics.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 22, 2011 10:05:42 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Europa-List: Fwd: question from Rough River
>
> Getting us a latter date shouldn't be a problem. Before I book it, how
> about we take a quick survey. I'll list the weekends here. Just vote as
> I have done and this will give us all a feel as to who will try and make
> it and what are the best dates. As they say you can't please everyone
> but maybe we can work towards it. Please keep in mind weather could
> start being more of a factor as we get close to October. Then again???
>
> September Weekends. - Vote / Name
>
>
> 7th & 8th...
>
> 15th & 16th... Jeff R Gold Rush
>
> 22nd & 23rd...
>
> 28th & 29th...
>
> October
>
> 5th & 6th... Jim and Lynne N283JL
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Peter Jeffers wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Sue and I are UK Europa owner/flyers and we visited the Rough River
> fly in (not in our Europa) two years ago. We had a great time albeit
> with no Europas due weather. We would very much like to attend again
> but leaving the UK before the later part of September is not
> practical. We normally holiday in Florida in the Autunm so would
> like to be able to combine that with Rough River.
>
> So yes we would like to request as late as possible in September or
> early October. It may also encourage one or two other Europeans to
> attend.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Pete
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
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> *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Fwd: question from Rough River
>
> Jeff-
>
> Later would be better for all concerned I think. The more we can
> push it toward the end of September, or maybe even the first part of
> October, the better.
>
> Jim Puglise
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> *From: *"Jeffrey Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net <mailto:jeff@rmmm.net>>
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> *Sent: *Monday, November 21, 2011 11:44:21 AM
> *Subject: *Europa-List: Fwd: question from Rough River
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> To All,
>
> Below is a note that I received today from Rough River. I apologize
> not being able to make it last year as life got in the way. It seems
> maybe Labor day weekend may not be the best time for this event. A
> lot of Family commitments for all. I think this year we should
> consider maybe the week after or even two weeks after as we did a
> few years back. I seem to remember there was someone else that was
> considering planning the 2012 event. If so let me know or I would be
> happy to do it. Either way is fine but maybe we should go for a list
> earlier this year to see if the interest is still there. Looks like
> by there message below their prices have been lowered a bit. I for
> one will do my best to attend. My Kid is back in the states and most
> family emergencies have subsided... LOL!
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *"Clark, Donna F (Parks)" <DonnaF.Clark@ky.gov
> <mailto:DonnaF.Clark@ky.gov>>
>
> *Date: *November 21, 2011 10:23:08 AM CST
>
> *To: *<jeff@rmmm.net <mailto:jeff@rmmm.net>>
>
> *Subject: question from Rough River*
>
>
> Morning,
>
> Just checking in to see if you would like to book for September 2012
>
> Lodging prices are lowerJ
>
> Lodge Room $80.96
>
> Standard Cottage$107.96
>
> Thanks
>
> Group Sales Coordinator
>
> RoughRiver State Dam Park
>
> 450 Lodge Road
>
> Fallsof RoughKy,40119
>
> 270-257-2311
>
> 1-800-325-1713
>
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| Subject: | Fwd: question from Rough River |
Any of those dates work for me - although I would prefer it not be Labor Da
y weekend
Gary Leinberger
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Jeffers
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fwd: question from Rough River
________________________________
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r@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]<mailto:[ma
ilto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Roberts
Sent: 22 November 2011 15:06
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: question from Rough River
Getting us a latter date shouldn't be a problem. Before I book it, how abou
t we take a quick survey. I'll list the weekends here. Just vote as I have
done and this will give us all a feel as to who will try and make it and wh
at are the best dates. As they say you can't please everyone but maybe we c
an work towards it. Please keep in mind weather could start being more of a
factor as we get close to October. Then again???
September Weekends. - Vote / Name
7th & 8th...
15th & 16th... Jeff R Gold Rush
22nd & 23rd...
28th & 29th... Pete & Sue Jeffers Choice 2
October
5th & 6th... Pete & Sue Jeffers (UK) Choice 1
On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Peter Jeffers wrote:
Hi all,
Sue and I are UK Europa owner/flyers and we visited the Rough River fly in
(not in our Europa) two years ago. We had a great time albeit with no Euro
pas due weather. We would very much like to attend again but leaving the U
K before the later part of September is not practical. We normally holiday
in Florida in the Autunm so would like to be able to combine that with Rou
gh River.
So yes we would like to request as late as possible in September or early O
ctober. It may also encourage one or two other Europeans to attend.
Just a thought.
Pete
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Sent: 21 November 2011 20:54
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: question from Rough River
Jeff-
Later would be better for all concerned I think. The more we can push it t
oward the end of September, or maybe even the first part of October, the be
tter.
Jim Puglise
________________________________
From: "Jeffrey Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net<mailto:jeff@rmmm.net>>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 11:44:21 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: question from Rough River
To All,
Below is a note that I received today from Rough River. I apologize not bei
ng able to make it last year as life got in the way. It seems maybe Labor d
ay weekend may not be the best time for this event. A lot of Family commitm
ents for all. I think this year we should consider maybe the week after or
even two weeks after as we did a few years back. I seem to remember there
was someone else that was considering planning the 2012 event. If so let me
know or I would be happy to do it. Either way is fine but maybe we should
go for a list earlier this year to see if the interest is still there. Look
s like by there message below their prices have been lowered a bit. I for o
ne will do my best to attend. My Kid is back in the states and most family
emergencies have subsided... LOL!
Regards,
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
Begin forwarded message:
From: "Clark, Donna F (Parks)" <DonnaF.Clark@ky.gov<mailto:DonnaF.Clark@ky.
gov>>
Subject: question from Rough River
Morning,
Just checking in to see if you would like to book for September 2012
Lodging prices are lower:)
Lodge Room $80.96
Standard Cottage$107.96
Thanks
Group Sales Coordinator
Rough River State Dam Park
450 Lodge Road
Falls of Rough Ky,40119
270-257-2311
1-800-325-1713
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| Subject: | Eye bolt tie down through wing/flap hinge block (trike |
only)
The Europa sits very nicely in the wind, it might rock around a bit but it's important
that the tie down ropes are only loosely tied with some slack, it's rare
that the wind will blow hard enough to move the aircraft, (on grass anyway),
In 3 years of tying down a Europa at out stations I've never had it pull up
hard against the tie downs so they are not under continuous stress, mainly there
for the odd gust that might come through.
Depends where you live and what your weather patterns are of course
Gavin Lee..............ZK-EPA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2011 11:28 p.m.
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Eye bolt tie down through wing/flap hinge block (trike
only)
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On 11/22/2011 01:35 AM, Nigel Graham wrote:
> Don't forget that this mounting point was originally designed and
> stressed to mount the outrigger on the original mono-wheel. Consider
> if you will, the compressive shock loads imposed by an unforgiving
> landing on rough grass,
Yes, I realize that. But what is the duration of a landing roll compared to a whole
night in constant movement due to the wind? it is unlikely that you will
experience metal fatigue just due to the landings, but how about prolonged rocking
in the wind? Isn't this the same reason why we try to restrain the flight
controls while parked in the wind? Normal rudder use is different than constant
movement due to the wind, although the movement by itself is similar.
> or the lateral loads imposed during turning.
I don't have a mono but I think the lateral load is taken up solely by the main
gear, and the outrigger just keeps the wing of the ground.
I doubt that the hinge attach points will see any sideways loads at all during
their life, that is, if they are used for their intended purposes only.
It is just a piece of metal sticking out of the wing, I can imagine that it can
easily develop metal fatigue just at the edge where it protrudes if you wiggle
it long enough. The material and the construction both indicate that it is not
designed for this kind of movement, but I'm not a metallurgist so I could be
wrong.
Frans
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| Subject: | Wiring connectors |
Giddy, I am in LA and figure I might as well give Aircraft Spruce some of my hard
earned dollars. I am thinking of buying a 1000' spool of AWG 20 wire and am
after advice whether the spade crimp styled connectors are ok for permanent conx?
I am not good with electrons. They think like my wife, often changing their
minds with unpredictable outcomes. I don't enjoy them, electrons. I can barely
tolerate the wife either, but she does let me build my plane so I suppose
I should cut her some slack. So, within the Spruce range as I am "Johnny on the
spot", is there a simple type of connector such as AMP or is there a better
type, dimple or no dimple etc? Any help would be appreciated.
P.S if anyone has anything bad to say about a SIRS Navigator Compass let me know
as I am planning on getting one of those too.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney, though in LA.
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Wiring connectors |
If you were monitoring the AeroElectric-List you would have learned that
crimped Faston-type connections are the best way to go for permanent
air-tight connections for our airplanes. Forget solder and avoid those
screw terminal strips supplied by Europa.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, California
Europa XS
Rotax 914
S/N A070
Airframe complete
Avionics soon
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:34 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Wiring connectors
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Giddy, I am in LA and figure I might as well give Aircraft Spruce some of my
hard earned dollars. I am thinking of buying a 1000' spool of AWG 20 wire
and am after advice whether the spade crimp styled connectors are ok for
permanent conx? I am not good with electrons. They think like my wife, often
changing their minds with unpredictable outcomes. I don't enjoy them,
electrons. I can barely tolerate the wife either, but she does let me build
my plane so I suppose I should cut her some slack. So, within the Spruce
range as I am "Johnny on the spot", is there a simple type of connector such
as AMP or is there a better type, dimple or no dimple etc? Any help would be
appreciated.
P.S if anyone has anything bad to say about a SIRS Navigator Compass let me
know as I am planning on getting one of those too.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney, though in LA.
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring connectors |
Tony,
FWIW, I use crimp fast-on spade connectors as much as possible: switches, relays,
etc. Crimp ring terminals for circuit breakers and when I have a switch with
screw attachments. Crimp pins & sockets in D-Sub connectors. And soldering
only when absolutely, positively necessary and there's no other alternative
available.
Dimple fast-on spade connectors probably more secure.
Nothing negative (or positive) to say about the SIRS Navigator Compass, just make
sure you confirm that you get one for the Southern Hemisphere.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Nov 22, 2011, at 5:33 PM, Tony Renshaw wrote:
>
> Giddy, I am in LA and figure I might as well give Aircraft Spruce some of my
hard earned dollars. I am thinking of buying a 1000' spool of AWG 20 wire and
am after advice whether the spade crimp styled connectors are ok for permanent
conx? I am not good with electrons. They think like my wife, often changing their
minds with unpredictable outcomes. I don't enjoy them, electrons. I can barely
tolerate the wife either, but she does let me build my plane so I suppose
I should cut her some slack. So, within the Spruce range as I am "Johnny on
the spot", is there a simple type of connector such as AMP or is there a better
type, dimple or no dimple etc? Any help would be appreciated.
> P.S if anyone has anything bad to say about a SIRS Navigator Compass let me know
as I am planning on getting one of those too.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney, though in LA.
>
> Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring connectors |
Tony
Used Spade connectors in MCR-4S, using proper crimping tool as recommended by Electric
Bob. for 20 & 22 AWG just doubled up the wire to get a better grip where
required.
Soldering only used where there was no alternative.
Cheers Peter
--------
Peter Armstrong
Auckland, New Zealand
DynAero MCR-4S (Do not shoot me :) ).
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