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1. 04:59 AM - Any idea what this is? (Carl Meek)
2. 05:19 AM - Re: Any idea what this is? (h&jeuropa)
3. 10:14 AM - Re: Any idea what this is? (Neville Eyre)
4. 12:19 PM - Re: Any idea what this is? (Bob Harrison)
5. 12:53 PM - Re: Any idea what this is? (Carl Meek)
6. 01:51 PM - Re: Any idea what this is? (Bob Harrison)
7. 08:36 PM - Re: Any idea what this is? (Carl Pattinson)
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| Subject: | Any idea what this is? |
My engineer just found this floating around in the belly of the aircraft, h
e
was quite worried it could get entangled somewhere and jam a control.
The question is=8A. What is it? Did it do something important?
Thanks,
-Carl.
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| Subject: | Re: Any idea what this is? |
Looks like the starboard spar socket - the one attached to the fiberglass behind
the seat (the tip of port spar slides in and pin goes through it). Part #
S02, install instructions on page 14-2. It makes rigging easier by capturing
the tip of the port wing spar. Don't think it is particularly structural but
it shouldn't remain where it is now . ;-)
Jim & Heather Butcher
N241BW
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359101#359101
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| Subject: | Re: Any idea what this is? |
Hi,
As Jim and Heather have said, the rigging cup that captures the tip of the
Port spar. Not needed to be there for structural reasons, but makes life a
whole lot easier to rig the wings.
Would have / should have been Reduxed on during the build, I insist [ when
doing Final Inspections] on a 3 ply Bid lay up from the rim, onto the seatb
ack bulkhead [ 1'' x 1'' ] to prevent just this from happening.
If you haven't got Redux about, scuff the can and seat back area with 80 gr
it paper and bond on with [std ] J B Weld, wipe on a good radius fillet, th
en do a 3 Bid lay up with whatever epoxy you can get , Zap from you Hobby S
tore will do for this. It should ''register'' back on to the Redux pad that
is left on the seatback, you can release the tip of the Port spar with pac
king tape and wax, and nip up with a greased bolt with the Port wing rigged
to be sure of correct position.
Check the bond of the other one [ on the aft of the Port spar ]that takes
the Stb spar tip.
Cheers,
Nev
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Meek <carlmeek@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 13:01
Subject: Europa-List: Any idea what this is?
My engineer just found this floating around in the belly of the aircraft, h
e was quite worried it could get entangled somewhere and jam a control.
The question is. What is it? Did it do something important?
Thanks,
-Carl.
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| Subject: | Any idea what this is? |
Hi! Carl
It is the receptacle can for the port spar and should be reduxed to the rear
of the starboard seat back/tank forward bulk head.
It is damaging the ruder cable in the present location. And was probably
knocked off by misdirected assembly.
If it is not in position between both spars it will allow the starboard pin
to be end loose, and therefore IMHO it is a critical part.
I recently advised putting leading ramps on to this item to safly guide the
port spar into the can rather than thumping it off.
It also occurres to me to say that one of your fuel pipes isn't pushed right
home under the clip?
Regards
Bob Harrison.
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Meek
Sent: 24 November 2011 12:56
Subject: Europa-List: Any idea what this is?
My engineer just found this floating around in the belly of the aircraft, he
was quite worried it could get entangled somewhere and jam a control.
The question is.. What is it? Did it do something important?
Thanks,
-Carl.
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| Subject: | Re: Any idea what this is? |
Do you mean the main starboard pin that goes behind the seat cushion? My pin
has a double lock on it to totally prevent it coming loose, presumably this
is ok without the part? I recently derigged and rigged with no real issues,
despite part not being in place.
Regards
Carl
Sent from my iPhone
On 24 Nov 2011, at 20:14, "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi! Carl
> It is the receptacle can for the port spar and should be reduxed to the re
ar of the starboard seat back/tank forward bulk head.
> It is damaging the ruder cable in the present location. And was probably k
nocked off by misdirected assembly.
> If it is not in position between both spars it will allow the starboard pi
n to be end loose, and therefore IMHO it is a critical part.
> I recently advised putting leading ramps on to this item to safly guide th
e port spar into the can rather than thumping it off.
> It also occurres to me to say that one of your fuel pipes isn=99t pu
shed right home under the clip?
> Regards
> Bob Harrison.
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Meek
> Sent: 24 November 2011 12:56
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Any idea what this is?
>
> My engineer just found this floating around in the belly of the aircraft, h
e was quite worried it could get entangled somewhere and jam a control.
>
> The question is. What is it? Did it do something important?
>
> Thanks,
> -Carl.
> <image001.png>
> <image002.png>
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| Subject: | Any idea what this is? |
H! Carl
Yes that is the pin but mine is an Avdel Pin with the expanding balls to
retain it in place. So I guess you are OK but it for sure would be very
difficult rigging on your own , for my money I would do as Neville has
recommended soonest.
Regards
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Meek
Sent: 24 November 2011 20:49
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Any idea what this is?
Do you mean the main starboard pin that goes behind the seat cushion? My
pin has a double lock on it to totally prevent it coming loose,
presumably this is ok without the part? I recently derigged and rigged
with no real issues, despite part not being in place.
Regards
Carl
Sent from my iPhone
On 24 Nov 2011, at 20:14, "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Hi! Carl
It is the receptacle can for the port spar and should be reduxed to the
rear of the starboard seat back/tank forward bulk head.
It is damaging the ruder cable in the present location. And was probably
knocked off by misdirected assembly.
If it is not in position between both spars it will allow the starboard
pin to be end loose, and therefore IMHO it is a critical part.
I recently advised putting leading ramps on to this item to safly guide
the port spar into the can rather than thumping it off.
It also occurres to me to say that one of your fuel pipes isn=99t
pushed right home under the clip?
Regards
Bob Harrison.
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Meek
Sent: 24 November 2011 12:56
Subject: Europa-List: Any idea what this is?
My engineer just found this floating around in the belly of the
aircraft, he was quite worried it could get entangled somewhere and jam
a control.
The question is. What is it? Did it do something important?
Thanks,
-Carl.
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| Subject: | Any idea what this is? |
Hi,
I see this subject has already been well covered. It has been identified as
the socket for the starboard (right) wing spar (located behind the port
(left) side seat). However it could also be the other locating socket which
is bonded to the starboard wing spar itself ! - you don't say if you have
identified which side the offending article originates from.
Neville refers to this (other socket) in his email. The socket needs to be
reduxed back (whichever side it is) and held in place with a couple of
layers of bid (as per his instructions). The bid can be applied using either
the proper resin (Ampreg) or 30 minute Z-poxy will work just as well - may
need to warm it to wet the cloth out as it's a bit gloopy.
Cheers
Carl
(as in Carl Pattinson - G-LABS)
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Meek
Sent: 24 November 2011 12:56
Subject: Europa-List: Any idea what this is?
My engineer just found this floating around in the belly of the aircraft, he
was quite worried it could get entangled somewhere and jam a control.
The question is.. What is it? Did it do something important?
Thanks,
-Carl.
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