---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/25/11: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:26 AM - Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution... (Matt Dralle) 1. 01:12 AM - NEC Flying Show (Steven Pitt) 2. 05:32 AM - Re: Any idea what this is? (h&jeuropa) 3. 05:53 AM - Re: NEC Flying Show (Groups) 4. 07:56 AM - Re: Diameter of 912 oil hose and oil hose type (Christoph Both) 5. 10:08 AM - Re: Diameter of 912 oil hose and oil hose type (Frans Veldman) 6. 10:59 AM - Re: Diameter of 912 oil hose and oil hose type (Neville Eyre) 7. 11:37 AM - Re: Diameter of 912 oil hose and oil hose type (Christoph Both) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:02 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution... There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a few short days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year. Support is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but hopefully it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely the Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as there is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums. The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use a credit card, Paypal: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to support the Lists! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:12:39 AM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Europa-List: NEC Flying Show For those going to the Flying Show this weekend at the NEC, Birmingham, the Club will be present as a guest/supporter of the LAA stand. Come and meet with us and see David Joyce's prize winning Europa monowheel on display. If you want to meet up with other Europa owners then why not stop by at 11.00am (the traditional meeting time for those attending Sun'n'Fun). Regards Steve Pitt Chairman Europa Club G-SMDH Trigear XS ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:12 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Any idea what this is? From: "h&jeuropa" The reason we think it is the starboard cup is that the port cup has a hardened washer bonded to it (or it should have!). The glider wing mod requires removal of the starboard cup due to the increased size of the spar, so if you're not having trouble rigging and anticipate also doing glider wings, that's a reason to leave it off. Jim & Heather N241BW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359231#359231 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: NEC Flying Show From: Groups Also visit the Galaxy UL Engines stand to see my Europa classic tailwheel fi tted with a UL Power UL260iS 107Bhp fuel injected air cooled engine. Only ha d the engine 1 day so is work in progress. Vince Goddard Sent from my phone On 25 Nov 2011, at 09:09, "Steven Pitt" wrote: > For those going to the Flying Show this weekend at the NEC, Birmingham, th e Club will be present as a guest/supporter of the LAA stand. Come and meet w ith us and see David Joyce's prize winning Europa monowheel on display. > > If you want to meet up with other Europa owners then why not stop by at 11 .00am (the traditional meeting time for those attending Sun'n'Fun). > > Regards > Steve Pitt > Chairman Europa Club > G-SMDH Trigear XS > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:54 AM PST US From: Christoph Both Subject: RE: Europa-List: Diameter of 912 oil hose and oil hose type SGVsbG8gRXVyb3BhIGJ1aWxkZXJzOg0KVGhlIDkxMiBpbnN0YWxsYXRpb24gbWFudWFsIHNwZWNp ZmllcyBhIDEyLW1pbGxpbWV0ZXIgb2lsIGhvc2UgY29ubmVjdGluZyB0aGUgUm90YXggdG8gdGhl IG9pbCBjb29sZXIvcm90YXggZXh0ZXJuYWwgb2lsIHBhbi4gMTJtbSBob3NlIGlzIGhhcmQgdG8g Z2V0IGluIE5vcnRoIEFtZXJpY2EvQ2FuYWRhLiDCvSBpbmNoIGhvc2UgaXMganVzdCBhIGJpdCB3 aWRlciBJRCwgc28gbXkgcXVlc3Rpb24gaXMsIHRha2luZyBpbnRvIGFjY291bnQgdGhlIGNvbnNp ZGVyYWJsZSBvaWwgcHJlc3N1cmUgb24gc3RhcnQgdXAgZXhjZWVkaW5nIDEwMHBzaSwgaWYgwr0g aW5jaCBob3NlIGlzIGZpbmUg4oCTIG9mIGNvdXJzZSwgcHJvcGVybHkgc2VjdXJlZCB3aXRoIGNs YW1wcy4gSSBoYXZlIGEgQ0xBU1NJQyBlbmdpbmUgaW5zdGFsbGF0aW9uIGFuZCBhbSBjb25jZXJu ZWQgdGhhdCBvaWwgaG9zZSBkaXJlY3RseSBsb2NhdGVkIGFib3ZlIHRoZSBtdWZmbGVyIHdoaWNo LCBpZiBvaWwgc3RhcnRzIGRyaXBwaW5nIGlzIGFuIGlzc3VlIHdpdGggcG90ZW50aWFsbHkgc3Rh cnRpbmcgYSBmaXJlLg0KUXVlc3Rpb24gIzIgdGhlbiBpczogd2hpY2ggaG9zZSB0eXBlIGV4YWN0 bHk/IFdpdGggdGhlIG9pbCBzdW1wIGV4aXQgbG9jYXRlZCBkaXJlY3RseSBhYm92ZSB0aGUgSE9U IG11ZmZsZXIsIGF0IGEgY2xvc2UgZGlzdGFuY2Ugb2YgbGVzcyB0aGFuIDEgaW5jaCBteSBwcmVm ZXJyZWQgc2VsZWN0aW9uIG9mIGhvc2Ugd291bGQgYmUgc3RhaW5sZXNzIHN0ZWVsIGJyYWlkZWQg aGlnaCBwcmVzc3VyZS9oaWdoIHRlbXBlcmF0dXJlIHByb2R1Y3QuIFdlaWdodCBhbmQgbm90IHRv byBsYXJnZSBPRCBpcyBhbiBpc3N1ZSBhcyB3ZWxsICg1IGZlZXQgd2lsbCBiZSB1c2VkIGZvciB0 aGUgZW50aXJlIGNpcmN1aXQpLiBJIGhhdmUgaWRlbnRpZmllZCBBZXJvcXVpcCA2MDEtOCB3aXRo IFNTIG91dGVyIGFzIHRoZSBtb3N0IGxpa2VseSBwcm9kdWN0ICgkMjAvZm9vdCBmcm9tIEFpcmNy YWZ0IFNwcnVjZSkgYnV0IGJlZm9yZSBJIHBsYWNlIGFuIG9yZGVyIEkgbGlrZSB0byBoZWFyIHlv dXIgb3Bpbmlvbi4NClRoYW5rcywNCkNocmlzdG9waCBCb3RoDQojMjIzIFdvbGZ2aWxsZSwgTm92 YSBTY290aWEsIENhbmFkYQ0KRVVST1BBIENsYXNzaWMgUm90YXggOTEyUyBXb29kY29tcCBTUiAz MDAwLCAyLWJsYWRlLCBpbiBwZXJwZXR1YWwgc3RhdGUgb2YgY29tcGxldGlvbuKApi4NCg= ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:51 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Diameter of 912 oil hose and oil hose type On 11/25/2011 04:53 PM, Christoph Both wrote: > Question #2 then is: which hose type exactly? With the oil sump exit Take a look at: https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=PLUMANFLEX I used these hoses in my Europa and they served me well. Very light weight, flexible and durable. Make sure to get the associated hose ends, these hoses are not suitable for standard hose clamps. Frans ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Diameter of 912 oil hose and oil hose type From: Neville Eyre Hi Christoph, The oil lines in the circuit do not see the pressure you see on the gauge,t hat stays within the engine, the line from the tank via the cooler to the p ump inlet sees SUCTION, the return line from the crankcase sees just above atmospheric [ crankcase pressure] so you don't need fancy high pressure hos es, but it does need to be oil resistant, and firm enough to not collapse u nder suction. Try Jap or German Auto parts outlets, they will have hose in that horrible foriegn measurement size ! Go for a ''name'' Brand, ie Goodye ar, Pirelli, Conti and you won't be far wrong. I sleeve ALL fuel and oil lines in either / both Firesleeve [ the red rubbe ry glass lined stuff], or the silver foil covered glass sleeve, ACS or ''Bo y Racer'' Auto stores for those. Rather than the ''Jubilee'' worm drive clamps which have a stiff straight p art on them that won't conform to the hose, I go for the ones with a ''swiv el'' nut and bolt that keeps a constant curve to the clamp circumference, t hey also have a flared rim that prevents them digging in to the hose, more expensive than Jubilee's, cheaper than the fancy [ and unnecessary] Aeroqui p sort. Cheers , Nev -----Original Message----- From: Christoph Both Sent: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 17:48 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Diameter of 912 oil hose and oil hose type Hello Europa builders: The 912 installation manual specifies a 12-millimeter oil hose connecting t he Rotax to the oil cooler/rotax external oil pan. 12mm hose is hard to get in North America/Canada. =C2=BD inch hose is just a bit wider ID, so my qu estion is, taking into account the considerable oil pressure on start up ex ceeding 100psi, if =C2=BD inch hose is fine =93 of course, properly s ecured with clamps. I have a CLASSIC engine installation and am concerned t hat oil hose directly located above the muffler which, if oil starts drippi ng is an issue with potentially starting a fire. Question #2 then is: which hose type exactly? With the oil sump exit locate d directly above the HOT muffler, at a close distance of less than 1 inch m y preferred selection of hose would be stainless steel braided high pressur e/high temperature product. Weight and not too large OD is an issue as well (5 feet will be used for the entire circuit). I have identified Aeroquip 6 01-8 with SS outer as the most likely product ($20/foot from Aircraft Spruc e) but before I place an order I like to hear your opinion. 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