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1. 05:20 AM - Re: ID of an XS conventional LG (Robert Borger)
2. 06:17 AM - Re: Leaking coolant (Paul McAllister)
3. 07:57 AM - Re: Leaking coolant (Robert Borger)
4. 09:34 AM - Re: Leaking coolant (rparigoris)
5. 09:36 AM - Re: Outrigger Pivot Bearing (graeme bird)
6. 09:48 AM - VP prop, good idea? which one? (graeme bird)
7. 10:51 AM - Re: VP prop, good idea? which one? (graeme bird)
8. 11:38 AM - Re: Outrigger Pivot Bearing (Robert Borger)
9. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: VP prop, good idea? which one? (Peter Jeffers)
10. 11:51 AM - Re: Outrigger Pivot Bearing (graeme bird)
11. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: VP prop, good idea? which one? (Robert Borger)
12. 12:08 PM - Re: VP prop, good idea? which one? (graeme bird)
13. 12:14 PM - Re: VP prop, good idea? which one? (Jeff B)
14. 02:06 PM - rudder springs (Paul & Vanessa Munford)
15. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: VP prop, good idea? which one? (Fred Klein)
16. 03:42 PM - Re: VP prop, good idea? which one? (David Joyce)
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| Subject: | Re: ID of an XS conventional LG |
Fred,
According to the FAA that's:
Scott L Dingman
1434 Hoop Road
Xenia, OH 45385-8631
And from White Pages his phone number is:
937-372-0021
That's the best I can do at 0700 hrs on a Tuesday morning.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:52 AM, Fred Klein wrote:
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> Would anyone know how I might get in touch with the owner of N108EA?
>
> thanks...Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking coolant |
Bob,
McMasters have reduced the range of CTC that they carry, however what they
do have can be found at:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#constant-tension-hose-clamps/=fqtog0
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking coolant |
Paul,
Yes, I found the clamps section. There are two styles, one of sheet steel and
one of round steel rod. Which style are you using successfully and what size?
It will be time to replace the coolant in another 25 hours or so and I would
like to convert to the CTC at that time.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Jan 10, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Paul McAllister wrote:
> Bob,
>
> McMasters have reduced the range of CTC that they carry, however what they do
have can be found at:
>
> http://www.mcmaster.com/#constant-tension-hose-clamps/=fqtog0
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking coolant |
Hi Guys
I too purchased CTC clamps to hold my Silicone hoses in place on my 914. Be aware
the clamps come in different widths and tensions, they are not all created
equal.
Whatever I couldn't procure from McMaster, I got SELF-COMPENSATING HOSE CLAMPS
from Rotor Clip:
http://rotorclip.com/hose_clamps.php
(I forget now, but they may have even sent me what I needed as free samples?)
Although you could probably get away by using something you already have for squeezing
and installing, I broke down and bought a purpose pliers that allows for
holding and rotating the angle. I probably bought them from McMaster.
No matter it isn't a bad idea to wear safety glasses when installing the clamps,
at least until they are held captive on the hose.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Outrigger Pivot Bearing |
I'd like to know too. I brought what I thought was the right sizes to do this mod
but one wouldnt fit in the other.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
Just Test Flying to obtain permit
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| Subject: | VP prop, good idea? which one? |
So, in the shake down flight we were getting 140kts indicated at 5700 @ 2000ft
on a 912ULS but the ASI is reading a bit high. I presume a VP prop would give
a better take off and climb, quieter, maybe faster cruise particularly in thinner
air. Am I right and which to go for?
Woodcomp is significantly cheaper and I am told the wood is more absorbent of vibrations
and less stiff.
Is the CS controller worth having or is manual variable just as good?
Is it worth being able to feather it?
I intend to fly on my FP warp drive initially but it would suit me to buy the next
prop now if thats the sensible thing to do.
Advice appreciated.
See you all at the dinner.
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
Just Test Flying to obtain permit
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| Subject: | Re: VP prop, good idea? which one? |
oh dear, searching back through the historical records I see I might have kicked
a hornets nest. Just tell me about the benefits of the CS prop then rather than
the comparison.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
Just Test Flying to obtain permit
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362956#362956
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| Subject: | Re: Outrigger Pivot Bearing |
Roddy & Greame,
I have no idea where you can find it in the UK, but it's available from
McMaster-Carr here on this side of the pond.
McMaster has this and only this:
Material
Type 440C Stainless Steel
Shape
Structural Tubes
Structural Tube Type
Plain Round
Structural Tube Tolerance
Precision-Ground
Outside Dia.
3/8" (.375")
Outside Dia. Tolerance
-.0002"
Inside Dia.
5/16" (.3125")
Inside Dia. Tolerance
+.0002"
Length
6"
Length Tolerance
=B1.01"
Rockwell
C50-C55
Specifications Met
American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM)
ASTM Specification
ASTM A276
for a price of $99.74 + shipping. That's UK=A364.50 + shipping.
Whooeee, I don't remember that it cost that much several years ago when
I did the mod, but that's what it is now.
You can go to McMaster.com and search on Stainless Steel Tubing.
On that page you can specify the OD and ID which will bring up the
above.
A 6 inch length should be sufficient for at least 2 mods so it isn't
quite as painful to the purse if you share.
You may order it directly from McMaster or if you wish, I'll be glad to
order the tubing and forward it on to either of you. Once I know the
end costs after shipping, you can post it to my PayPal account.
Hopefully the import tariff on your end won't be a killer.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Jan 9, 2012, at 4:33 PM, roddyeuropa@aol.com wrote:
> Hi
> Does anyone know where I can get the stainless steel tube needed to do
the standard outrigger bearing mod (LAA mod 10661 - on the club website)
in the UK ?
> Thanks
> Roddy Kesterton
> #220 G-IKRK
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VP prop, good idea? which one? |
Hi Graham,
VP or CS props.
1 Better take off performance
2 Or better cruise performance. Depends what pitch you set it at.
3 Much greater overall flexibility and all round performance.
Graham, by the way max continuous cruise on the Rotax 4 stroke series of
engines is 5500 RPM not 5700RPM
Pete
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Subject: Europa-List: Re: VP prop, good idea? which one?
oh dear, searching back through the historical records I see I might have
kicked a hornets nest. Just tell me about the benefits of the CS prop then
rather than the comparison.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
Just Test Flying to obtain permit
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| Subject: | Re: Outrigger Pivot Bearing |
I could check out Chronos in dunstable, beds, uk again with that spec, it should
be right up thier street.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
Just Test Flying to obtain permit
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| Subject: | Re: VP prop, good idea? which one? |
Greame,
Yes, you may have done just that.
I don't know how you have your current prop set. If it is set for a compromise
between climb and cruise, as most are, then a C/S prop should allow you to take
off in a shorter distance with superior climb performance and then allow you
to cruise at a higher speed for the same fuel flow. Or you can obtain the same
cruise performance at a lower fuel flow. If your prop is set for climb performance
then the C/S prop will equal that performance and provide much better
cruise performance. If you have your prop adjusted for cruise performance then
the C/S prop will provide much better takeoff and climb performance.
I have an Airmaster AP332 with AP200 controller. I consider their products to
be of the highest quality and have found Martin to provide excellent support.
Others seem to be quite satisfied with their own choices so you can go on from
there.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:46 PM, graeme bird wrote:
>
> oh dear, searching back through the historical records I see I might have kicked
a hornets nest. Just tell me about the benefits of the CS prop then rather
than the comparison.
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
> G-UMPY
> Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
> Just Test Flying to obtain permit
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| Subject: | Re: VP prop, good idea? which one? |
Thanks Pete, yes I know its 5800 for a brief period only (5min) - but thats long
enough to take a speed reading.
Why did you say TO performance OR cruise, surely you improve both by setting fine
for take off and course for cruise. What speed would you expect in the cruise?
Regards
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
Just Test Flying to obtain permit
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| Subject: | Re: VP prop, good idea? which one? |
Graeme,
I bought an Air Master, complete with CS controller, right off and
haven't looked back. Great performance on both ends and in the middle,
too.
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 1/10/2012 11:44 AM, graeme bird wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "graeme bird"<graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
>
> So, in the shake down flight we were getting 140kts indicated at 5700 @ 2000ft
on a 912ULS but the ASI is reading a bit high. I presume a VP prop would give
a better take off and climb, quieter, maybe faster cruise particularly in thinner
air. Am I right and which to go for?
> Woodcomp is significantly cheaper and I am told the wood is more absorbent of
vibrations and less stiff.
> Is the CS controller worth having or is manual variable just as good?
> Is it worth being able to feather it?
>
> I intend to fly on my FP warp drive initially but it would suit me to buy the
next prop now if thats the sensible thing to do.
>
> Advice appreciated.
>
> See you all at the dinner.
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
> G-UMPY
> Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
> Just Test Flying to obtain permit
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362946#362946
>
>
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Hi guys, I'm installing the starboard return spring & there clearly
is'nt enough 'footwell' to mount the spring under any tension. Is it ok
to fit a small extension piece ( 1/2 in aluminium?) to extend the spring
approx 3 in into the engine bay space? is there a 'mod' for this? Thanx
for your help !!!
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| Subject: | Re: VP prop, good idea? which one? |
On Jan 10, 2012, at 10:46 AM, graeme bird wrote:
>
> oh dear, searching back through the historical records I see I might
> have kicked a hornets nest. Just tell me about the benefits of the
> CS prop then rather than the comparison.
While I generally keep my distance from hornets' nests, as I've been
in prop selection mode, I will pass on the notion that some FP prop
manufacturers tout their products ability to adjust pitch (to a
significant degree) in accordance w/ load and forward airspeed...i.e.,
their props take a thinner bite in slow speed/high power situations,
and a thicker bite at cruise speed and cruise power settings. I write
"to a significant degree", but do not intend to suggest that such a FP
prop would provide CS performance.
My recent inquiry about who owns N108EA stems from my seeing it on
the Prince prop website gallery.
Check out:
http://princeaircraft.com/default.aspx and
http://www.neuform-propellers.com/index.php?f=1&lang=en&site=Propeller/Contact%20us
My interest in a ground adjustable FP prop stems from cost
considerations, risk of prop strike during initial monowheel ops, and
personal lack of experience flying behind a CS prop (thus affecting
cockpit workload during initial flight tests).
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Re: VP prop, good idea? which one? |
Graeme, As others have said it's a bit like having 5 gears on a car rather than
going everywhere in third. Overall performance is transformed. But there is a
further advantage: The constant speed element goes a long way to stop you overspeeding
the engine, which can be an expensive or even very serious mistake.
If you are distracted when operating at full power and have to descend to avoid
something or are playing about doing unusual attitudes or aerobatics or whatever,
it isn't difficult to overspeed with a fixed pitch prop, but a CS prop largely
prevents that.
Unless you have glider wings I would not contemplate a feathering prop.
The theoretical advantage of being able to glide a bit further in the event
of an engine failure is for me heavily outweighed by the possibility or indeed
probability that you will end up trying to land with the prop still feathered,
which will substantially increase the ground run. There is a marked difference
in landing withe prop fully coarse compared with fully fine, let alone feathered,
and I guess it might double the length of field you need to land without
damage.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
Sent from my iPad
On 10 Jan 2012, at 17:44, "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote:
>
> So, in the shake down flight we were getting 140kts indicated at 5700 @ 2000ft
on a 912ULS but the ASI is reading a bit high. I presume a VP prop would give
a better take off and climb, quieter, maybe faster cruise particularly in thinner
air. Am I right and which to go for?
> Woodcomp is significantly cheaper and I am told the wood is more absorbent of
vibrations and less stiff.
> Is the CS controller worth having or is manual variable just as good?
> Is it worth being able to feather it?
>
> I intend to fly on my FP warp drive initially but it would suit me to buy the
next prop now if thats the sensible thing to do.
>
> Advice appreciated.
>
> See you all at the dinner.
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
> G-UMPY
> Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
> Just Test Flying to obtain permit
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362946#362946
>
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