---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/13/12: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:41 AM - Spar socket failure (article in the clubmagazine) (Roland) 2. 04:58 AM - Re: Spar socket failure (article in the clubmagazine) (Peter Jeffers) 3. 06:10 AM - Re: Outrigger Pivot Bearing (flyingphil2) 4. 06:28 AM - Re: Spar socket failure (article in the clubmagazine) (Frans Veldman) 5. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: Outrigger Pivot Bearing (Robert Borger) 6. 08:31 AM - Re: Outrigger Pivot Bearing (tennant) 7. 01:54 PM - Re: Spar socket failure (article in the clubmagazine) (Martin Olliver) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:46 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Spar socket failure (article in the clubmagazine) From: "Roland" Hi all, recently I received the CM where I found an article about possible failure of the wing spar sockets on Europas. It was mentioned by the author, that the last thing to be done is to push in the main wing pin half way (as per the Europa manual) and then release the left wing same applies for the right wing. As my Europa lives in a closed trailer at home and I transport it to the aerodrome whenever I want to fly this item is of great interest for me. Question: what is the correct method for rigging? I cannot see anything wrong in going with the manual and what is the alternative? When I push in the main wing pin completely, its impossible to fully slide the starboard wing in. In that case I first have to pull the pin out a little. I also cannot imagine it as a good idea to rely on the pip pin outside alone to take the whole loads/shocks when sliding the port wing in, especially when the port wing is not fitted totally in line with everything (which is always the case as you know) and contacts e. g. the edges of the spar socket of the port wing. I dont know about you but I always have to surge push and pull forward and back up and down a little especially the last few inches and I have a better feeling when as much as possible is already fixed on the other side of the aircraft. Those questions becoming even more important since I bought myself a rigging aid for single hand rigging. Any advice most welcome. Roland XS Trigear PH-ZTI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363563#363563 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:08 AM PST US From: "Peter Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Spar socket failure (article in the clubmagazine) Hi Roland, I have just re read the article in the Europa Flyer and I think you may be miss understanding what is written. You read =9Cthe very last thing to be done is to push in the main wing pin half way=9D. In fact what it actually said is =9Cthe very least that should be done is to insert the main wing pins half way=9D. In case this leaves any doubt just follow what the Operators Handbook says. I hope this clears up any misinterpretation. Regards Pete Jeffers -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: 13 January 2012 10:39 Subject: Europa-List: Spar socket failure (article in the clubmagazine) Hi all, recently I received the CM where I found an article about possible failure of the wing spar sockets on Europas. It was mentioned by the author, that =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93the last thing to be done is to push in the main wing pin half way (as per the Europa manual) and then release the left wing =C3=A2=82=AC=9C same applies for the right wing=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D. As my Europa lives in a closed trailer at home and I transport it to the aerodrome whenever I want to fly this item is of great interest for me. Question: what is the correct method for rigging? I cannot see anything wrong in going with the manual and what is the alternative? When I push in the main wing pin completely, it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s impossible to fully slide the starboard wing in. In that case I first have to pull the pin out a little. I also cannot imagine it as a good idea to rely on the pip pin outside alone to take the whole loads/shocks when sliding the port wing in, especially when the port wing is not fitted totally in line with everything (which is always the case as you know) and contacts e. g. the edges of the spar socket of the port wing. I don=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t know about you but I always have to surge push and pull forward and back up and down a little especially the last few inches and I have a better feeling when as much as possible is already fixed =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93on the other side of the aircraft=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D. Those questions becoming even more important since I bought myself a rigging aid for single hand rigging. Any advice most welcome. Roland XS Trigear PH-ZTI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363563#363563 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 01/12/12 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:40 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Outrigger Pivot Bearing From: "flyingphil2" Roddy / Graeme, I believe that I've found the stainless tubing offcut that I used for this. Can you remind me of the ID and OD so that I can measure it and check. I do remember having to turn one diameter down on a lathe but I can't remember which one. Regards, Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363571#363571 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:50 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Spar socket failure (article in the clubmagazine) On 01/13/2012 11:38 AM, Roland wrote: > As my Europa lives in a closed trailer at home and I transport it to > the aerodrome whenever I want to fly this item is of great interest > for me. I also rig the airplane for every flight. I have the socket entirely potted in, with a few layers of bid soaked in araldite over it, after it came loose before I even reached flying stage. Never had any problems since. I always push the pins halfway in before rigging the starboard wing. Frans ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Outrigger Pivot Bearing From: Robert Borger Phil, >From the Mod PDF: Stainless Tube (0.375outsidediameter,0.3125insidediameter) The inside of the stainless tube is the critical dimension so that it provides a sliding fit for the AN5 bolt. A slightly larger outer diameter is acceptable which will require a larger hole in the OR1. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Jan 13, 2012, at 8:07 AM, flyingphil2 wrote: > > Roddy / Graeme, > > I believe that I've found the stainless tubing offcut that I used for this. Can you remind me of the ID and OD so that I can measure it and check. I do remember having to turn one diameter down on a lathe but I can't remember which one. > > Regards, > > Phil ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:37 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Outrigger Pivot Bearing From: "tennant" If you can use it I have bunches of Chrome Molly tube 10 x 1,0 = 0,393 OD x 0,315 ID. Free of charge for these little bits. Barry Tennant -------- Barry Tennant D-EHBT At EDLM - Germany Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363596#363596 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:54:56 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Spar socket failure (article in the clubmagazine) From: "Martin Olliver" Hi Roland. What type of rigging aid did you purchase? I am thinking of going the solo rigging route, any other's out there with ideas on the best way to do this? Martin. 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