---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/15/12: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:52 AM - Rudder/Balance (Carl Meek) 2. 01:18 AM - Re: rudder springs (Peter Jeffers) 3. 07:18 AM - Re: Rudder/Balance (klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com) 4. 09:12 AM - Re: Rudder/Balance (Robert Borger) 5. 09:38 AM - Re: Rudder/Balance (Carl Meek) 6. 09:39 AM - lower cowl opening for 914 only? (graeme bird) 7. 09:47 AM - Re: Happy New Year and new flight (stephen vestuti) 8. 09:55 AM - Re: lower cowl opening for 914 only? (Robert Borger) 9. 10:59 AM - SV: lower cowl opening for 914 only? (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 10. 01:29 PM - Re: Rudder/Balance (Martin Tuck) 11. 02:32 PM - Re: Rudder/Balance (Bill Sisley) 12. 10:31 PM - Re: Spar socket failure (article in the clubmagazine) (Roland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:08 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Rudder/Balance From: Carl Meek Hi Everyone, I'm fairly new to my Europa, only logged a handful of hours, and there is one flying characteristic that's bothering me a bit. * Just pilot in LH seat * Aileron trim is set to full right * Feet not touching the pedals * ASI speed about 116 knots * Balance ball on the left, just over a 'whole ball's distance So... * I step on the ball, applying some left rudder. * Then i change the aileron trim, as full right no longer appropriate * ASI Speed now slowly climbs about 3 knots to 119. This tells me, with the higher airspeed, that my balance ball is accurate and to get the aircraft in balance I need left rudder. What's bugging me is how much left rudder, it's a fairly substantial pressure, enough to make my left foot feel irritated after 10/15 minutes. The question is - why does the aircraft need some left rudder to keep balance? Is there anything i can adjust/correct to make it naturally balanced so i can take my feet of the pedals? Thanks in advance, Regards, -Carl. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:00 AM PST US From: "Peter Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: rudder springs Hi Craig, Unless I am mistaken, you will find that the build manual includes a return spring extension arm as standard on the LHS. Pete _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig Sent: 15 January 2012 07:23 Subject: RE: Europa-List: rudder springs I had similar issue on mine, I just went and bought a slightly shorter higher rated spring set, mind you I also have the turn buckle adjustment in the cables near the rudder for the tail wheel mod, so it made fixing the length easy. From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul & Vanessa Munford Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:01 AM Subject: Europa-List: rudder springs Hi guys, I'm installing the starboard return spring & there clearly is'nt enough 'footwell' to mount the spring under any tension. Is it ok to fit a small extension piece ( 1/2 in aluminium?) to extend the spring approx 3 in into the engine bay space? is there a 'mod' for this? Thanx for your help !!! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 01/13/12 _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rudder/Balance From: klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com Hi Carl, What do the flaps look like? Are they raised to equal positions? My mono needed a little left rudder in cruise, so I added a fixed aluminum t rim tab to the rudder. Kevin On Jan 15, 2012, at 12:48 AM, Carl Meek wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'm fairly new to my Europa, only logged a handful of hours, and there is o ne flying characteristic that's bothering me a bit. > > * Just pilot in LH seat > * Aileron trim is set to full right > * Feet not touching the pedals > * ASI speed about 116 knots > * Balance ball on the left, just over a 'whole ball's distance > > So... > > * I step on the ball, applying some left rudder. > * Then i change the aileron trim, as full right no longer appropriate > * ASI Speed now slowly climbs about 3 knots to 119. > > This tells me, with the higher airspeed, that my balance ball is accurate a nd to get the aircraft in balance I need left rudder. What's bugging me is h ow much left rudder, it's a fairly substantial pressure, enough to make my l eft foot feel irritated after 10/15 minutes. > > The question is - why does the aircraft need some left rudder to keep bala nce? Is there anything i can adjust/correct to make it naturally balanced s o i can take my feet of the pedals? > > Thanks in advance, > Regards, > -Carl. > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rudder/Balance From: Robert Borger Hi Carl, As Kevin suggested, check flap rigging. Then check aileron rigging. If you feel up to it, check the engine offset to make sure it's within specs (Europa XS Rotax 912S or 914 Engine Installation Manual, Chapter 1, Engine Installation). If everything is where it's supposed to be, then it looks like a tab is needed on the rudder. Perhaps Bud can chime in with some additional suggestions. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Jan 15, 2012, at 2:48 AM, Carl Meek wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'm fairly new to my Europa, only logged a handful of hours, and there is one flying characteristic that's bothering me a bit. > > * Just pilot in LH seat > * Aileron trim is set to full right > * Feet not touching the pedals > * ASI speed about 116 knots > * Balance ball on the left, just over a 'whole ball's distance > > So... > > * I step on the ball, applying some left rudder. > * Then i change the aileron trim, as full right no longer appropriate > * ASI Speed now slowly climbs about 3 knots to 119. > > This tells me, with the higher airspeed, that my balance ball is accurate and to get the aircraft in balance I need left rudder. What's bugging me is how much left rudder, it's a fairly substantial pressure, enough to make my left foot feel irritated after 10/15 minutes. > > The question is - why does the aircraft need some left rudder to keep balance? Is there anything i can adjust/correct to make it naturally balanced so i can take my feet of the pedals? > > Thanks in advance, > Regards, > -Carl. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rudder/Balance From: Carl Meek The flaps certainly look level and balanced=8A but it depends how much accuracy you need :) The trim tab sounds like a good idea =AD what's the best way to affix this? From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rudder/Balance Hi Carl, What do the flaps look like? Are they raised to equal positions? My mono needed a little left rudder in cruise, so I added a fixed aluminum trim tab to the rudder. Kevin On Jan 15, 2012, at 12:48 AM, Carl Meek wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'm fairly new to my Europa, only logged a handful of hours, and there is one > flying characteristic that's bothering me a bit. > > * Just pilot in LH seat > * Aileron trim is set to full right > * Feet not touching the pedals > * ASI speed about 116 knots > * Balance ball on the left, just over a 'whole ball's distance > > So... > > * I step on the ball, applying some left rudder. > * Then i change the aileron trim, as full right no longer appropriate > * ASI Speed now slowly climbs about 3 knots to 119. > > This tells me, with the higher airspeed, that my balance ball is accurate and > to get the aircraft in balance I need left rudder. What's bugging me is how > much left rudder, it's a fairly substantial pressure, enough to make my l eft > foot feel irritated after 10/15 minutes. > > The question is - why does the aircraft need some left rudder to keep bal ance? > Is there anything i can adjust/correct to make it naturally balanced so i can > take my feet of the pedals? > > Thanks in advance, > Regards, > -Carl. 3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D <3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"> 3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D <3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> 3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:45 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: lower cowl opening for 914 only? From: "graeme bird" Had a sudden panic that I had unnecessarily opened up the lower cowl starboard NACA duct and that it was only required for 914 inlet and not my 912. I cant see what its for for the 912ULS as it would only cool the oil tank (which is already too cool in flight) and possibly one end of the exhaust. Is it necessary, has anyone filled it in? -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP Just Test Flying to obtain permit Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363858#363858 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:00 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Happy New Year and new flight From: "stephen vestuti" Terrific pictures. How does the fuel system work with the additional four tanks ? Pumped to main tank or one to the other ? steve. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363862#363862 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: lower cowl opening for 914 only? From: Robert Borger Greame, Unfortunately, you are correct. That duct is only for the 914 intake air. It should probably be closed up. A couple of layers of BID laid up on the inside with at least 1 inch of overlap onto the cowl should do. Then fill the outer and sand to smooth and match the cowl. Prime and paint. You should be OK. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Jan 15, 2012, at 11:37 AM, graeme bird wrote: > > Had a sudden panic that I had unnecessarily opened up the lower cowl starboard NACA duct and that it was only required for 914 inlet and not my 912. I cant see what its for for the 912ULS as it would only cool the oil tank (which is already too cool in flight) and possibly one end of the exhaust. > Is it necessary, has anyone filled it in? > > -------- > Graeme Bird > G-UMPY > Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP > Just Test Flying to obtain permit ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:50 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: SV: Europa-List: lower cowl opening for 914 only? Greame, Further to what Bob Borger just suggested: I have done some other small mods on my lower cowl, and discovered after some operating hours that the bid/epoxy layups turned dark brown on the inside and the nice, white paint turned light brown on the outside! Those at Europa Aircraft at that time told me the reason for this: Epoxy does not stand up to heat as well as polyester does, and the cowls are therefore made of bid/polyester. If someone with better knowledge/better memory can confirm this, you should use polyester with suitable bid to cover the duct inlet. Note: There has been no separation of the epoxy-based layups from the factory-made cowl in my case, so it is only cosmetic. Regards, Svein LN-SKJ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:00 PM PST US From: Martin Tuck Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rudder/Balance Hi Carl, I had a similar thing on mine although I added a balsa Flettner strip (like the ones either side of the stab trim/anti-servo tab) but on one side of my rudder (rather than a tab sticking out) and that did the trick. I painted it to match the rest of the rudder after determining the size needed. I have a similar one on the underside of the right side aileron. I do notice that when I carry a passenger I have to hold in a little left aileron as I didn't have any kind of aileron trim. You can just see the rudder trim strip at the 40 second point of the YouTube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGOgD-odT4E&feature=share Regards, Martin On 1/15/2012 2:48 AM, Carl Meek wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'm fairly new to my Europa, only logged a handful of hours, and there > is one flying characteristic that's bothering me a bit. > > * Just pilot in LH seat > * Aileron trim is set to full right > * Feet not touching the pedals > * ASI speed about 116 knots > * Balance ball on the left, just over a 'whole ball's distance > > So... > > * I step on the ball, applying some left rudder. > * Then i change the aileron trim, as full right no longer appropriate > * ASI Speed now slowly climbs about 3 knots to 119. > > This tells me, with the higher airspeed, that my balance ball is > accurate and to get the aircraft in balance I need left rudder. > What's bugging me is how much left rudder, it's a fairly substantial > pressure, enough to make my left foot feel irritated after 10/15 minutes. > > The question is - why does the aircraft need some left rudder to keep > balance? Is there anything i can adjust/correct to make it naturally > balanced so i can take my feet of the pedals? > > Thanks in advance, > Regards, > -Carl. > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:21 PM PST US From: Bill Sisley Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rudder/Balance I did the same, works well. ZK CHV Mono 914 / Airmaster 1005hrs Sue& Bill On 16/01/2012 10:25 a.m., Martin Tuck wrote: > Hi Carl, > > I had a similar thing on mine although I added a balsa Flettner strip > (like the ones either side of the stab trim/anti-servo tab) but on one > side of my rudder (rather than a tab sticking out) and that did the > trick. I painted it to match the rest of the rudder after determining > the size needed. I have a similar one on the underside of the right > side aileron. I do notice that when I carry a passenger I have to hold > in a little left aileron as I didn't have any kind of aileron trim. > > You can just see the rudder trim strip at the 40 second point of the > YouTube video. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGOgD-odT4E&feature=share > > Regards, > Martin > > On 1/15/2012 2:48 AM, Carl Meek wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I'm fairly new to my Europa, only logged a handful of hours, and >> there is one flying characteristic that's bothering me a bit. >> >> * Just pilot in LH seat >> * Aileron trim is set to full right >> * Feet not touching the pedals >> * ASI speed about 116 knots >> * Balance ball on the left, just over a 'whole ball's distance >> >> So... >> >> * I step on the ball, applying some left rudder. >> * Then i change the aileron trim, as full right no longer appropriate >> * ASI Speed now slowly climbs about 3 knots to 119. >> >> This tells me, with the higher airspeed, that my balance ball is >> accurate and to get the aircraft in balance I need left rudder. >> What's bugging me is how much left rudder, it's a fairly substantial >> pressure, enough to make my left foot feel irritated after 10/15 minutes. >> >> The question is - why does the aircraft need some left rudder to keep >> balance? Is there anything i can adjust/correct to make it naturally >> balanced so i can take my feet of the pedals? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Regards, >> -Carl. >> * >> >> >> * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:10 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Spar socket failure (article in the clubmagazine) From: "Roland" Hi there and thanks for your replies. So my understanding is, that there are no concerns about following the manual ("inserting the main wing pins about 1....."). @ Pete: in fact that was what I (miss)understood - time to book some English-lessons. @Frans: good idea to focus on that special item during the built. When I have to fix that one day after several rigging, I'll get in contact to you later on for some advice. @Martin: I have my rigging aid from Christoph Jtte from Austria (0043263925196/c.juette@diamond-air.at) who is well known in the sailing community for many years. Good service, price and quality in my opinion, plus it's a lightweight as it's completely Aluminium. But it's no real company (like Cobra for instance), just a "one man show". If you need any further details, you can also contact me off-list. 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