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1. 01:25 AM - Re: Mono Clearance and Johnny's Body Shop has heart attack. (Richard Churchill-Coleman)
2. 01:43 AM - Re: Re: Thomas Scherer's flight (Frans Veldman)
3. 02:01 AM - arplast PV50 grease (KENNETH ATKINSON)
4. 09:05 AM - Re: Electric Flap Mod 68 on Classic (Ivan Shaw)
5. 09:36 AM - Re: Electric Flap Mod 68 on Classic (rparigoris)
6. 10:16 AM - Europa mono wheel clsaaic for sale (egp8111)
7. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: Electric Flap Mod 68 on Classic (Ivan Shaw)
8. 10:46 AM - Re: Electric Flap Mod 68 on Classic (Paul McAllister)
9. 10:50 AM - Re: Re: Electric Flap Mod 68 on Classic (Paul McAllister)
10. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: Electric Flap Mod 68 on Classic (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
11. 02:04 PM - Europa Flyer's Tour to AERO 2012 Friedrichshafen (Stephan Cassel)
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| Subject: | Re: Mono Clearance and Johnny's Body Shop has heart attack. |
Bud
Thanks - I've copied your reply back to the list as it originally just
went to my pm.
RCC
On 17/01/2012, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
> Richard,
> Sorry for the long delay on answering your Mono clearance question. We have
> three aircraft in final and one nearing final and my painter Johnny
> Hardacher decides to have a heart attack. I have been monitoring Johnny
> closely and he has been in bad shape for three months. He is rounding the
> corner now and is back at work a few hours a day. We sure miss him. His
> guys are now picking up the slack and we have full confidence we will finish
> all the aircraft at the end of this month. It will be nice to have the shop
> cleared out and get back to a 5 day week again as we have Sun 'n Fun coming
> up.
>
> As for the Mono clearances (I am not a mono flier and have only repaired and
> assisted owners using the 7 inch tire) I do not have company ground
> clearance records. I have found from observation only that in a three point
> attitude a flat tire leaves just over 9 inches with the 64 inch prop. The
> FAA/International requirement is 9. Now in a level attitude such as a
> complete tire failure on roll out tail high at high speed (which I am too
> much of a coward to do in the mono) and the tire were to fail to the rim,
> the clearance is only two inches on the rim.
> This I determined on Jim Brown's aircraft with a flat tire on the
> transporter when trying to get it off the mono trailer. Ed, my A&P watched
> the actual clearance from the nose and Chris and I sat on the wings prior to
> getting the tail off the transporter to get stuff out of the cockpit. A
> quick caution from Ed alerted us to do some math. We had 3 inches of tire
> from the rim to the ground at zero psi and the prop clearance was at 5
> inches. Math in public stating that 5-3 is two inches of prop clearance
> from the rim with the tail up. On bumpy grass, with a shredded tire, I
> think you may be mowing the grass a bit. So keep the stick back.
>
> John Bolyard's mono motorglider at 1350 lbs. (Brand new block and 7 inch
> tire, full power with 914 for engine run up tests, prop clearance was 13
> inches in three point at full power and at tail up , or level, he still had
> about 9 inches clearance with his block. My concern is the rubber block. I
> just don't have data for an old block nor do I have a limit other than what
> you mono guys tell me. My feeling is, change the block at 5 years, but
> again, I really don't have sound data on how long the block should go before
> it begins to fade. Those old red blocks are finally out of the system and
> the black ones hold up pretty well so your initial measurements when you
> build the aircraft are the best measure of when to change the block. If it
> sinks a bit over time then change the block.
>
> If any mono pros out there have data, please speak up as I am out of my
> comfort zone and have no physical test data from production, just the
> install manual stuff and observations above....
>
> Regards,
> Bud
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Churchill-Coleman<mailto:richard.churchill-coleman@sky.com>
> To: 'Bud Yerly'<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 7:01 AM
> Subject: FW: Europa-List:
>
>
> Hey Bud
>
> Fantastic information! Do you happen to know the clearance for an XS mono
> when fully loaded and set level for take off? I have a 1640mm diameter prop
> (64.5") and my high school trigonometry says I will have enough ground
> clearance to be legal under UK rules (needs 230mm - 9" - with tyre inflated
> and positive clearance with tyre deflated: so the same as FAA rules) but I'd
> love to know the real world answer rather than rely on my math?
>
> Kind regards
> Richard C-C
>
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| Subject: | Re: Thomas Scherer's flight |
On 01/17/2012 09:00 PM, Karl Heindl wrote:
> When I zoomed in I could see another very long runway; his track ends in
> the middle where the parking area is.
The track got updated later on.
Frans
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| Subject: | arplast PV50 grease |
Hi All=0AI need a source and/or specification of the grease to re-pack my P
V50 propeller hub. =0A-=0ACheers.
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| Subject: | Electric Flap Mod 68 on Classic |
Don't do it
Ivan
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM
SINGLETON
Sent: 18 January 2012 00:31
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electric Flap Mod 68 on Classic
John
no, flap retraction requires very little force, the flaps are almost
aerodynamically neutral, consider where the flap pivot is. The only load you
feel is the drag load, normally very low.
You will note that in flight you can place the flaps anywhere and they will
stay put if you let go the flap lever. Unless the gear elastic has gone
loose then the weight of the gear will pull them down.
Graham
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From: db308 <dino.agnes@internode.on.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012, 22:34
Subject: Europa-List: Electric Flap Mod 68 on Classic
Greetings,
I am considering installing Mod 68 Electric Flap on my Classic. Has anyone
done this mod? What are your thoughts? Does it make retracting the gear
easier? (my main reason for doing the mod).
Regards,
John Baker, #181.
Australia.
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Flap Mod 68 on Classic |
Hi Ivan
I hear what you say loud and clear:
"Dont do it" as far as leaving the flaps between detents.
I am curious though, why not?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Europa mono wheel clsaaic for sale |
Mono wheel classic for sale. 912ul,warp drive prop, factory trailor, very nice
interior intercom. 176 TT eng and airframe. $25000 OBO.
Will deliver to a port on the east coast for export.
Skip Pate
704 577-8270
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Flap Mod 68 on Classic |
I linked the flaps to the mono wheel to stop me from landing wheels up!!
The flaps provide a strong visual clue on approach that you are in the 'landing
configuration' that is with gear down and locked. Separate them and ???? Also
why add 'cost weight and complexity' [the enemy of the designer] to your aircraft?
Kindest Regards
Ivan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigoris
Sent: 18 January 2012 17:34
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Electric Flap Mod 68 on Classic
--> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hi Ivan
I hear what you say loud and clear:
"Dont do it" as far as leaving the flaps between detents.
I am curious though, why not?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364204#364204
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Flap Mod 68 on Classic |
Hi John,
No doubt you have seen a few responses on this. I have about 1000 hours on
my mono and I was finding that pulling up the main & flaps was heavy.
I found that the bungee's were just getting a bit tired and after I
replaced them the gear retract was back to the lighter touch from when I
first built the airplane. I know changing them is a bit of a pain, but it
really ends up being an afternoons works once you get started.
BTW, is your mono the one located at Murray Bridge ?
Cheers, Paul
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 4:34 PM, db308 <dino.agnes@internode.on.net> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
> I am considering installing Mod 68 Electric Flap on my Classic. Has anyone
> done this mod? What are your thoughts? Does it make retracting the gear
> easier? (my main reason for doing the mod).
>
> Regards,
> John Baker, #181.
> Australia.
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Flap Mod 68 on Classic |
Ron,
Apart from not wanting to make an enemy of Ivan, there is an additional
reason (if you would even need one).
Part of getting the outriggers to lock is accomplished by the momentum of
the gear swing up. I suspect that an electric flap drive may not achieve
reliable outrigger locking.
Paul
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Ivan Shaw <ivanshaw@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> I linked the flaps to the mono wheel to stop me from landing wheels up!!
> The flaps provide a strong visual clue on approach that you are in the
> 'landing configuration' that is with gear down and locked. Separate them
> and ???? Also why add 'cost weight and complexity' [the enemy of the
> designer] to your aircraft?
>
> Kindest Regards
> Ivan
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Flap Mod 68 on Classic |
Ron=0Athere are other reasons why it isn't worth doing, no big advantage on
take off unless you are seriously heavy.=0AFlapless landings wouldn't be e
asy, if it's windy do a wheeler with good view over the nose, (that's only
for skilled tail wheel drivers)=0ANo real point, the compromise works well.
Important to adjust the shock cord correctly though, and keep it in good c
ondition]Graham=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: rparigori
s <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wed
nesday, 18 January 2012, 17:34=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: Electric Flap Mo
igor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>=0A=0AHi Ivan=0A=0AI hear what you say loud and clea
r:=0A=0A"Don=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t do it" as far as leaving the flaps be
tween detents.=0A=0AI am curious though, why not?=0A=0AThx.=0ARon Parigoris
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.co
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| Subject: | Europa Flyer's Tour to AERO 2012 Friedrichshafen |
Dear Europa flyers and builders,
Europa Flyer's Tour to AERO 2012 Friedrichshafen:
http://aero2012.scassel.se/
Until now there are 14 Europas, 18 pilots/co-pilots having
confirmed/expressed interest in participating. This is amazing!
Nice weather, exiting exhibition, good friendship and excellent food
will make this meeting stay in memory for long time.
We have made a block reservation for 12 single and 5 double rooms at the
Hotel Eberbacher Hof in Biberach - http://www.eberbacherhof.de/ .
Most of the rooms are already confirmed, the rest we are holding for a
relatively short time still.
Check http://aero2012.scassel.se/ for latest update on how many that
have been booked.
The prices per night are, including breakfast:
Single room: Euro 69 (normal price Euro 80), double room Euro 88 (normal
price Euro 120).
Cancelling policy:
- Until one week before scheduled arrival day: No charge.
- Until two days before: 25% of the room price.
- Cancelling on scheduled arrival day: 50% of the room price.
- In case of illness: No charge (applies to =9Cseveral
rooms=9D, but we cannot all declare =9Cill=9D if
flight into Biberach has to be cancelled due to weather!)
Please send an mail to stephan@scassel.se for further instructions on
how to book your room(s).
See you at Biberach!
Best regards
Stephan and Svein
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