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1. 01:50 AM - Jabiru (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
2. 01:51 AM - Re: Re: Spar socket failure (article in the clubmagazine) (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
3. 02:19 AM - Re: Jabiru (Carl Meek)
4. 02:31 AM - Model Europa from Philippines (Carl Meek)
5. 03:51 AM - Re: Re: Classic Exhaust mount - anti-seize compound necessary? (Frank Mycroft)
6. 04:32 AM - Re: AW: Smart (Peter Zutrauen)
7. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: EuropaOwners.Org Has Shut Down?? (Jeff B)
8. 07:29 AM - Re: Re: EuropaOwners.Org Has Shut Down?? (Robert Borger)
9. 08:01 AM - Duke Engineering (bill mcclellan)
10. 08:30 AM - Re: Duke Engineering (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
11. 08:52 AM - Re: Duke Engineering (Peter Zutrauen)
12. 09:12 AM - Re: Duke Engineering (Fred Klein)
13. 03:10 PM - Europa Owners Web Site (Robert Borger)
14. 04:54 PM - Re: Europa Owners Web Site (Matthew Carpenter)
15. 11:20 PM - Re: Europa Owners Web Site (Carl Meek)
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Some of you might remember I said I only knew of one successful Jab6 instal
lation? Well I had an interesting conversation with-=0Aa guy-who's-be
en happy with his for a few years now. Sensenich 2 blade prop, 3 blades-a
re-not ideal on a Jab6 because of-=0Acrank resonance issues which I had
n't heard about. There isn't much useful info about Jabs although must admi
t I don't look far.=0A=0AI wonder what the Mach no of the prop tips at 150
knots and 3300 rpm? Must be going-super critical, around .65 ish?=0AWith
a wooden prop the blades need to be-thicker-and that isn't good for hig
h speed. Are Sensenich using-super critical-sections?=0AGraham
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Subject: | Re: Spar socket failure (article in the clubmagazine) |
Andreas Doblehof has a very elegant and simple way of rigging his Europa Cl
assic (mono)=0ALast time I met him was at Vorslau in Austria. There might b
e pictures on the forum somewhere?=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A_______________________
_________=0A From: Martin Olliver <martflynut@aol.com>=0ATo: europa-list@ma
tronics.com =0ASent: Friday, 13 January 2012, 21:51=0ASubject: Europa-List:
Re: Spar socket failure (article in the clubmagazine)=0A =0A--> Europa-Lis
t message posted by: "Martin Olliver" <martflynut@aol.com>=0A=0AHi Roland.
What type of rigging aid did you purchase? I am thinking of going the solo
rigging route, any other's out there with ideas on the best way to do this?
=0AMartin.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.ma
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I'm the owner of G-CGNZ, another Jab6 installation. I also use the
Sensenich 2 blade.
Regards,
-Carl.
From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Jabiru
Some of you might remember I said I only knew of one successful Jab6
installation? Well I had an interesting conversation with
a guy who's been happy with his for a few years now. Sensenich 2 blade prop,
3 blades are not ideal on a Jab6 because of
crank resonance issues which I hadn't heard about. There isn't much useful
info about Jabs although must admit I don't look far.
I wonder what the Mach no of the prop tips at 150 knots and 3300 rpm? Must
be going super critical, around .65 ish?
With a wooden prop the blades need to be thicker and that isn't good for
high speed. Are Sensenich using super critical sections?
Graham
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Subject: | Model Europa from Philippines |
Following a thread on here a little while ago I decided to order a model of
my Europa. They've just sent me the pictures for approval before they ship
to me. Looks rather good.... Attached!
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Subject: | Re: Classic Exhaust mount - anti-seize compound necessary? |
Christoph
I have no problem dropping the exhaust assembly on my Classic. You only
have to remove the front two manifold connections, the pipe to the cabin
heat, and the springs and the whole assembly will drop down. I squirt
WD40 into the two vertical sliding connections and as long as the two
sides are lowered equally there is no problem. If one side drops just a
bit more than the other they will lock up, and the same when replacing
the assembly. I have never had any signs of fretting of the sliding
joints or even leakage at the manifold, although I have never used any
sort of sealant.
Frank Mycroft
----- Original Message -----
From: Christoph Both
To: 'europa-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 2:19 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Classic Exhaust mount - anti-seize
compound necessary?
Hello Classic Europa builders and flyers:
I need some advice if I need to bother putting anti-seize compound to
the header/cylinder head connection and in particular applying it to the
mating exhaust tube connections sliding together all 4 headers and the
muffler assembly. The Classic set up leaves much to be desired in regard
to possible needs to occasionally disassemble the muffler/header
combination to get under the engine for possible initial inspections
during the first 25 hours of flight service. I am concerned that the
tubes might be getting pitted and stuck preventing easy on filed
disassembly - is this the case? On the other hand I don't like to
introduce less friction between the mating tube parts during engine
running perhaps created by the anti-seizing compound acting like a
grease, thus allowing easier fretting of the stainless steel tubes.
Your advice is much appreciated.
Christoph Both
#223 Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Harrison
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:57 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Viking Aircraft engine
Hi! Graham /all
Right on the money ! ...and I certainly know a good amount of the
hassle associated with the subject!
Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM
SINGLETON
Sent: 27 January 2012 16:44
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Viking Aircraft engine
Hi Paul
I agree with everything you say, I would add that even now the Jab is
still not a viable alternative (imho) I onlyknow of one successful Jab 6
owner and he isn't completely satisfied.
Graham
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From: Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012, 16:17
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Viking Aircraft engine
Guys,
I'll toss my 2 cents worth into the ring on alternative engines.
Fristly I would like to preface my comments with the statement that if
we didn't try new things then we would be still flying with stuff
powered from designs that trace there roots back 50 years. Come to
think of it, if we didn't try new stuff then we wouldn't be even flying
Europa's.
Installing alternative power plants is not for the faint of heart,
even proven designs. I recently completed some cooling modifications to
my 914 and it was a lot of testing, work, re work and more testing. My
modifications are trivial compared to something like a Viking. Even
conventional conversions such as the Jabaru have taken a lot of
collective effort to get them to the point of being a viable
alternative.
I don't want to discourage anyone from trying alternatives, but please
be aware that once you move away from the original design that you
moving down a path that will consume considerable resources.
Cheers, Paul
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Silly Ipad's auto-spell-check :-(
Should have read:
"which destroys so many of the *experimental* reduction drives."
Cheers,
Pete
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
> Looks like a nice concept and execution. I like their implementation of
> the reduction drive's centrifugal clutch which engages at around 1800 rpm
-
> likely avoiding the low rpm resonance peak which destroys so many of the
> exponential reduction drives. Their manual is also quite detailed about t
he
> operating constraints for the turbo etc.
>
> It was my understanding from my EAA colleges that when the prop/engine
> combination goes into resonance (typically at low rpms) the power
> dissipated in the gearbox or any type of dissipating coupling (like the
> rubber one in the Viking) goes up exponentially. Wrt the Viking, i found
> Jan's dismissal of this typical characteristic a bit disconcerting.
>
> Last year at osh, there was a high horsepower reduction unit on display
> which also had a clutch. an elegant solution IMHO: simply avoid the
> resonance instead of attempting to deal with it.
>
> I wonder what the Europa installed weight was for smart installation?
>
> Cheers,
> Pete
> a239
>
> On Jan 29, 2012, at 6:58 PM, "uvtreith" <uvtreith@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> ** ** ** **
>
> Hi Europa Family,****
>
> ** **
>
> I have installed the smart engine in my Monowheel XS.****
>
> This engine is made by Mercedes-Brabus with Turbo. ****
>
> The engine is electronically controlled by the so called smart-MIP System
.
> ****
>
> More Info you will find - also in English - under: www.ecofly.de and
> www.schicke-electronic.de ****
>
> I paid complete with engine frame, all accessories (but used a water
> cooler from a ****Kawasaki**** 1200 and they changed the operating panel
> according to my drawing) and the smart-MIP system around 11.000 EUR.****
>
> When the engine is finished after about 2.000 operating hours, you just
> get a new smart/Mercedes engine for about 4.500 EUR (Ecofly will do the
> change for you-if you like).****
>
> ** **
>
> Today we made some ground tests by -4=B0C and a static thrust test by ***
*Warp
> Drive**** setting on 14=B0 (best cruise). The max. engine rpm was 4.500,
> but the engine can do as maximum 5.800 rpm.****
>
> The static thrust test was measured by a digital spring scale and was
> showing 145 kp, so now we will change the blade setting to 12=B0. Our aim
is
> to get 180-200 kp.****
>
> ** **
>
> More info later, if you like.****
>
> Best Regards,****
>
> ** **
>
> Bruno Reith****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Kevin Kedward
> Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Januar 2012 21:11
> An: Europa-List@matronics.com
> Betreff: Europa-List: Smart
>
> ** **
>
*
> *
>
> ** **
>
> Hi Guys, What happened to the Smart car engine installation ?****
>
> Regards ****
>
> Kevin ****
>
> ** **
>
> Sent from my iPhone****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
> ********
>
> <D-EUVT ground tests.JPG>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: EuropaOwners.Org Has Shut Down?? |
All,
This is only speculation, but it looks as though the site has been
hacked, as I've been receiving "junk" mail from the email addresses of
some of the members, here.
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 1/29/2012 8:37 AM, jglazener wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "jglazener"<j.glazener@planet.nl>
>
> I very much hope not. It would seem a bit strange that after all those years
and all the work they have put into it they would just shut it down without warning,
and leave only a cryptic and cynical remark.
>
> I put a lot of effort into the Gallery, and basically its the only record I have
of my build. It would not exactly make my day if it had all just vanished..
>
> Jeroen
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365102#365102
>
>
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Subject: | Re: EuropaOwners.Org Has Shut Down?? |
Europaphiles,
I don't have Steve D's e-mail address so I can't contact him. I did send an e-mail
to Jos at the last e-mail address I had for him.
Hopefully, things can be put back to normal before too long.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Jan 30, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Jeff B wrote:
>
> All,
>
> This is only speculation, but it looks as though the site has been hacked, as
I've been receiving "junk" mail from the email addresses of some of the members,
here.
>
> Jeff - Baby Blue
>
> On 1/29/2012 8:37 AM, jglazener wrote:
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "jglazener"<j.glazener@planet.nl>
>>
>> I very much hope not. It would seem a bit strange that after all those years
and all the work they have put into it they would just shut it down without warning,
and leave only a cryptic and cynical remark.
>>
>> I put a lot of effort into the Gallery, and basically its the only record I
have of my build. It would not exactly make my day if it had all just vanished..
>>
>> Jeroen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365102#365102
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Duke Engineering |
Probably many of us have seen this new concept engine out of New Zealand. Sure
looks to have potential. Though there have been many new ideas that never get
to production, this company, Duke Engineering has taken it pretty far along
the development path. The company claims still at least 2 years out. The have
gained some international company support (money). Below is a good youtube
showing how it works and also the link to the Dukes website.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bny77SEefQ&feature=related
http://www.dukeengines.com/
Bill McClellan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365222#365222
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Subject: | Re: Duke Engineering |
Interestingly, when you go to the You Tube site, a number of other "new concept"
engines come up on the right side of the screen. There appear to be a lot of
people working on alternatives to the usual four stroke engine.
Jim Puglise
----- Original Message -----
From: "bill mcclellan" <wilwood@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 10:58:44 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Duke Engineering
Probably many of us have seen this new concept engine out of New Zealand. Sure
looks to have potential. Though there have been many new ideas that never get
to production, this company, Duke Engineering has taken it pretty far along the
development path. The company claims still at least 2 years out. The have gained
some international company support (money). Below is a good youtube showing
how it works and also the link to the Dukes website.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bny77SEefQ&feature=related
http://www.dukeengines.com/
Bill McClellan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365222#365222
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Subject: | Re: Duke Engineering |
I was really hoping that the Gemini made it..... but of course it didn't.
http://www.experimentalaircraft.info/homebuilt-aircraft/aircraft-diesel-gemini100.php
The numbers all added up right, and was diesel :-)
Oh well.
Cheers,
Pete
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:27 AM, <jimpuglise@comcast.net> wrote:
> Interestingly, when you go to the You Tube site, a number of other "new
> concept" engines come up on the right side of the screen. There appear to
> be a lot of people working on alternatives to the usual four stroke
> engine.
>
> Jim Puglise
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"bill mcclellan" <wilwood@earthlink.net>
> *To: *europa-list@matronics.com
> *Sent: *Monday, January 30, 2012 10:58:44 AM
> *Subject: *Europa-List: Duke Engineering
>
>
> >
>
> Probably many of us have seen this new concept engine out of New Zealand.
> Sure looks to have potential. Though there have been many new ideas that
> never get to production, this company, Duke Engineering has taken it pretty
> far along the development path. The company claims still at least 2 years
> out. The have gained some international company support (money). Below is
> a good youtube showing how it works and also the link to the Dukes website.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bny77SEefQ&feature=related
>
> http://www.dukeengines.com/
>
> Bill McClellan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/vie; -Matt Dralle, List
> Admin.=======
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Duke Engineering |
> Interestingly, when you go to the You Tube site, a number of other
> "new concept" engines come up on the right side of the screen.
> There appear to be a lot of people working on alternatives to the
> usual four stroke engine.
If I was in the small aircraft powerplant business, I'd be putting my
R & D $ in electrics...
Think about it...the $ required to develop and get to market a new
concept internal combustion engine...simply enormous, and how big is
that market?
The investors were not too kind to the talented folks behind the
Gemini engine.
Fred
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Subject: | Europa Owners Web Site |
Fellow Europaphiles,
It appears that Steve is looking for a new server for the organization website.
"So long and thanks for all the fish...... due to circumstances beyond our control,
server we live on will not be available. I'm currently looking for a home
for at least the gallery.... SteveD"
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
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Subject: | Re: Europa Owners Web Site |
I have several servers that are setting at Datacenters, I would be happy
to host the web site.
SteveD, please contact me.
Matt Carpenter
On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Robert Borger wrote:
> Fellow Europaphiles,
>
> It appears that Steve is looking for a new server for the organization
website.
>
> "So long and thanks for all the fish...... due to circumstances beyond
our control, server we live on will not be available. I'm currently
looking for a home for at least the gallery.... SteveD"
>
> Blue skies & tailwinds,
> Bob Borger
> Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
> Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
> Cel: 817-992-1117
> rlborger@mac.com
>
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Subject: | Re: Europa Owners Web Site |
Hopefully Matt has solved the problem, if not I also have servers and can he
lp.
Sent from my iPhone
On 31 Jan 2012, at 00:49, Matthew Carpenter <europaxs@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have several servers that are setting at Datacenters, I would be happy t
o host the web site.
>
> SteveD, please contact me.
>
> Matt Carpenter
>
> On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Robert Borger wrote:
>
>> Fellow Europaphiles,
>>
>> It appears that Steve is looking for a new server for the organization we
bsite.
>>
>> "So long and thanks for all the fish...... due to circumstances beyond ou
r control, server we live on will not be available. I'm currently looking fo
r a home for at least the gallery.... SteveD"
>>
>> Blue skies & tailwinds,
>> Bob Borger
>> Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
>> Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
>> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
>> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
>> Cel: 817-992-1117
>> rlborger@mac.com
>>
>
>
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