---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/03/12: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:43 AM - Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? (europapa) 2. 03:07 AM - Re: Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? (Bob Harrison) 3. 03:37 AM - Deformation of canopy (Roland) 4. 03:46 AM - Re: Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? (david park) 5. 04:16 AM - Re: Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? (europapa) 6. 04:44 AM - Re: burping the 912 (John Wighton) 7. 05:54 AM - Re: Re: burping the 912 (Frans Veldman) 8. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: burping the 912 (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 9. 06:52 AM - Re: burping the 912 (John Wighton) 10. 07:15 AM - Re: Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? (Robert Borger) 11. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: burping the 912 (Robert Borger) 12. 08:01 AM - Re: burping the 912 (h&jeuropa) 13. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: burping the 912 (Frans Veldman) 14. 08:59 AM - AW: Deformation of canopy (uvtreith) 15. 10:23 AM - Re: Model Europa from Philippines (Max Cointe) 16. 10:23 AM - Re: Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? (europapa) 17. 11:07 AM - Re: AW: Deformation of canopy (Raimo Toivio) 18. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? (Robert Borger) 19. 11:20 AM - Re: Deformation of canopy (Raimo Toivio) 20. 12:41 PM - Re: Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? (europapa) 21. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? (Robert Borger) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:18 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? From: "europapa" I have removed my vacuum system and now I wonder whether a cover plate for the hole in the gearbox is needed or not. Reg Juergen Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365516#365516 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:41 AM PST US From: Bob Harrison Subject: RE: Europa-List: Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? Juergen, yes most definitely or you will get ingress of dust in to the gear box. I only yesterday purchased a new vac pump! Shame I didn't know you had one for sale ? Regards Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of europapa Sent: 03 February 2012 09:38 Subject: Europa-List: Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? I have removed my vacuum system and now I wonder whether a cover plate for the hole in the gearbox is needed or not. Reg Juergen Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365516#365516 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:36 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy From: "Roland" Hi all, yesterday something embarrassing (and dangerous) happened to me. After departure (already in 5000 ft) I noticed that the door on the copilot-side was not locked on the rear side (I almost hear you saying: "that cannot happen when you worked through the checklist prior take off"). You are so right! After the first shock (suddenly the appropriate passage of the POH came crystal clear in my mind: "when the door springs open it will most likely depart the aircraft") I asked my Co to pull the handle in front and I did the same on the rear. I was so lucky to land with my Europa as a whole!! When leaving the aircraft my Co noticed a resistance when opening the door. It turned out, that the frame on the top of the door seemed to be deformed in a way that the gap between door and frame/roof became too small causing this resistance approximately when half open (then the door frame contacts the roof frame) . When complete open or closed everything seems normal. The hinges and screws where it's mounted are apparently undamaged. Does anyone have a suggestion how to bring the door into a perfect fit again? Thanks for your input! Regards Roland PH-ZTI Trigear XS Rotax 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365518#365518 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? From: david park Put one on g-ldvo, no problem so far! Dave Sent from my iPhone On 3 Feb 2012, at 09:54, "europapa" wrote: > > I have removed my vacuum system and now I wonder whether a cover plate for the hole in the gearbox is needed or not. > Reg > > Juergen > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365516#365516 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:52 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? From: "europapa" Thank you. If dust is the problem it doesn't need to be a very solid one. Bob, if I had only known........... :-). Reg Juergen Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365520#365520 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:06 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: burping the 912 From: "John Wighton" Frans, As with all things in life you have to listen to advice from 'experts', l am sufficiently convinced that the LAA selected the instructor for the Rotax course on the basis that he knows his stuff. At the course we examined parts and the instructor also gave a description of exactly what happens during all phases of operation of the engine. He showed parts that had premature wear due to oil starvation. As an aeronautical engineer l took the advice given by that instructor and act on it. If you want to do something else that is fine by me. Put simply, if a component (say a cam) has oil on it and it is turned against other parts the oil WILL be disturbed. If the oil is disturbed some of it may vacate to another place (eventually in the tank if cranking). I appreciate that you have your own opinion, my opinion and the LAA course instructors advice is - do not hand crank unless there is a good reason to do so. Maybe we can meet at EHHO and chew the fat........ -------- John Wighton Europa XS trigear G-IPOD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365521#365521 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:02 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: burping the 912 On 02/03/2012 01:41 PM, John Wighton wrote: > Frans, As with all things in life you have to listen to advice from > 'experts', Well, what is an expert? I'm long enough on this planet to have seen many so called experts to fail... and to see once issued recommendations from experts to be hastily revoked somewhat later in history by another group of experts. > l am sufficiently convinced that the LAA selected the > instructor for the Rotax course on the basis that he knows his > stuff. Of course all based on the assumption that the LAA has all the knowledge to judge and value someone else's knowledge. > He showed parts that had premature wear due to oil starvation. Sure. But this doesn't say that it was due to excess hand cranking, or the lack of it. Or just due to something else. > Put simply, if a component (say a cam) has oil on it and it is turned > against other parts the oil WILL be disturbed. Yes, and this happens less when it is done directly after shutdown than when it is done directly before the next start? BTW what is exactly the difference between a running engine and one that is being handcranked? Why would the latter "disturb the oil" more? > I appreciate that you have your own opinion, my opinion and the LAA > course instructors advice is - do not hand crank unless there is a > good reason to do so. It is not just my opinion, I thought that the general consensus was that (not just with Rotax but with any engine) hand cranking is a good thing because it pumps oil into the engine prior to starting. I even recall to have seen in some Rotax document that it is advisable when you don't use the engine for a while to hand crank it once per month or so. Why would that be??? > Maybe we can meet at EHHO and chew the fat........ Well, to be honest EHHO isn't a very interesting destination. How about the annual event at EHTX (Texel)? Frans ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:27 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: burping the 912 John=0Aas I understand it, by the time you have burped the engine oil will have been pumped round the engine so the old oil on the cams etc will have been replaced.=0AProbably the cam followers will also be pumped up to press ure reducing risk of tappets rattling=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A____________________ ____________=0A From: John Wighton =0ATo: europa-list@mat ronics.com =0ASent: Friday, 3 February 2012, 12:41=0ASubject: Europa-List: =0A=0AFrans,=0AAs with all things in life you have to li sten to advice from 'experts', l am sufficiently convinced that the LAA sel ected the instructor for the Rotax course on the basis that he knows his st uff.=0A=0AAt the course we examined parts and the instructor also gave a de scription- of exactly what happens during all phases of operation of the engine.=0A=0AHe showed parts that had premature wear due to oil starvation. =0A=0AAs an aeronautical engineer l took the advice given by that instructo r and act on it.- If you want to do something else that is fine by me.=0A =0APut simply, if a component (say a cam) has oil on it and it is turned ag ainst other parts the oil WILL be disturbed.- If the oil is disturbed som e of it may vacate to another place (eventually in the tank if cranking). =0A=0AI appreciate that you have your own opinion, my opinion and the LAA c ourse instructors advice is - do not hand crank unless there is a good reas on to do so.=0A=0AMaybe we can meet at EHHO and chew the fat........=0A=0A- -------=0AJohn Wighton=0AEuropa XS trigear G-IPOD=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this t opic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365521 ======================== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:57 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: burping the 912 From: "John Wighton" Graham, May be you are right. I used to gurgle the engine religiously (!) every time but since the course when l was told it does more harm than good l havent. The LAA instructor used to work at Rotax, so l sort of assumed he knows best. Simplistically l think if the oil was in the engine and it ends up in the tank there must be less oil doing good work. Or is that too simple? I don't think oil gets spurted up around the engine when it is hand cranked - does anyone know the answer? -------- John Wighton Europa XS trigear G-IPOD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365525#365525 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? From: Robert Borger Juergen, Yes, you do need a cover plate. Now you need to determine which cover plate. There were at least two different cover plates of different sizes. I had an alternator on that pad and recently removed it. There was a cover on that pad but in the building years, I have misplaced it. So I called Lockwood Aviation to obtain a replacement cover. They had just removed that cover from a new engine and send the cover and gasket to me free of charge. (Great folks at Lockwood!) The new cover and gasket arrived but it didn't fit. Seems they have changed the configuration of that pad sometime in the last 10 years. Here is a picture of the new plate and gasket along with the alternator adaptor plate that came off my engine: I turned them over and added a ruler so you can get an idea of the sizes: As near as I can determine, the old cover plates are no longer available. If your engine uses the new, larger, cover plate, I'll be happy to send the new plate and gasket to you or you can contact your local Rotax dealer to see if he has one lying around that was removed from another engine. If your engine is older, like mine, you can still check to see if an older plate is available. If not, perhaps you can do as I did and make one up from aluminum bar stock: That's a piece of 1/4 in aluminum bar stock cut to shape and drilled using the adaptor plate as a template. I also made up a thin silicone gasket to go between the plate and engine. I hope this helps. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Feb 3, 2012, at 3:37 AM, europapa wrote: > > I have removed my vacuum system and now I wonder whether a cover plate for the hole in the gearbox is needed or not. > Reg > > Juergen ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: burping the 912 From: Robert Borger John, I attended my Rotax maintenance course at Lockwood Aviation in Sebring Florida. They are the largest Rotax maintenance shop in North America. My course was given by Mr. Dean Vogel who has been doing this course for Lockwood for a long time. He specifically instructed the attendees that the Rotax 9xx engine should be properly checked for oil level prior to the first flight of the day and subsequently any time that day that the aircraft had been parked for a while. He said that the engine oil should be check according to Rotax Service Instruction SI-27-1997. You can go to Rotax-Owner.com (The Factory Authorized Website for Information, Education & Support), go to "Information" tab and select "All Videos" to get a list of all their instructional and educational video. They have an excellent video on performing a proper oil level check, complete with 'burp' in accordance with SI-27-1997. Also under the "Instructions" tab is a section "Service Bulletins" where you can gain access to all SBs, SIs and SL. Excuse me while I get out my Soap Box: If any Europaphiles out there are flying behind a Rotax 9xx engine and you are not signed up at Rotax.com, shame on you. It is the PRIMO location for current information on the Rotax engine. They also provide e-mail updates and notifications on new and updated procedures and videos. Ya, it's gonna cost you a couple bucks (or pounds or euros) but it's worth it. OK, down off my Soap Box... Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Feb 3, 2012, at 6:41 AM, John Wighton wrote: > > Frans, > As with all things in life you have to listen to advice from 'experts', l am sufficiently convinced that the LAA selected the instructor for the Rotax course on the basis that he knows his stuff. > > At the course we examined parts and the instructor also gave a description of exactly what happens during all phases of operation of the engine. > > He showed parts that had premature wear due to oil starvation. > > As an aeronautical engineer l took the advice given by that instructor and act on it. If you want to do something else that is fine by me. > > Put simply, if a component (say a cam) has oil on it and it is turned against other parts the oil WILL be disturbed. If the oil is disturbed some of it may vacate to another place (eventually in the tank if cranking). > > I appreciate that you have your own opinion, my opinion and the LAA course instructors advice is - do not hand crank unless there is a good reason to do so. > > Maybe we can meet at EHHO and chew the fat........ > > -------- > John Wighton > Europa XS trigear G-IPOD > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365521#365521 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:55 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: burping the 912 From: "h&jeuropa" In addition, Chapter 3.3, Pre Flight Checks in both the 912ULS & 914UL Operators Manual state, "Remove oil tank cap. Turn propeller by hand several times to pump oil from the engine into the tank. This process is complete when air is being returned back to the oil tank and can be noticed by a murmur from the open oil tank". Jim & Heather N241BW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365534#365534 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:21 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: burping the 912 On 02/03/2012 03:45 PM, John Wighton wrote: > The LAA instructor used to work at Rotax, so l sort of assumed he knows best. I guess the people who wrote the operators manual also work for Rotax and also knows best. > I don't think oil gets spurted up around the engine when it is hand cranked - does anyone know the answer? I do. The oil gets there. The oil pump doesn't know who is turning the engine, so it dutyfully starts pumping oil as soon as its shaft starts turning. I somehow get the feeling that you don't believe me on my word. So here are two tests you can do to convince yourself: 1) Get an assistant to hand crank the engine. Switch on the engine instruments (NOT the ignition!) and observe the oil pressure gauge when your assistant cranks the engine. 2) Disconnect the hose from the sump to the tank. Some oil will drain from the engine. Wait until it sort off finishes draining. Then hand crank the engine. New oil will arrive soon in the sump. You can repeat this many times; every time you crank the engine some new oil will come out. And finally, ask an expert why it is bad to hand crank the engine in the wrong direction. He will tell you that the oil pump now pumps the oil out of the system and air will enter it. Hence the oil pump is working while hand cranking. Frans ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:09 AM PST US From: "uvtreith" Subject: AW: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy Hi Roland, I would leave the door inside its door frame and would wait for warmer days; maybe it will set by itself after a while. The best protection for this is to built in an advice. I will install in springtime two micro switches mounted on an aluminium plate together with a common carriage bolt (Schlo=DFschraube). Please see attached pictures (just made for you). You have to make one mirror inverted (spiegelverkehrt). The switch-bolt arrangement weights 35 gramm each. In my panel I have fitted two small green LED lights and the micro switches are openers. When the door is correctly closed, the LED will go out. Best Regards, Bruno -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Roland Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Februar 2012 12:32 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy Hi all, yesterday something embarrassing (and dangerous) happened to me. After departure (already in 5000 ft) I noticed that the door on the copilot-side was not locked on the rear side (I almost hear you saying: "that cannot happen when you worked through the checklist prior take off"). You are so right! After the first shock (suddenly the appropriate passage of the POH came crystal clear in my mind: "when the door springs open it will most likely depart the aircraft") I asked my Co to pull the handle in front and I did the same on the rear. I was so lucky to land with my Europa as a whole!! When leaving the aircraft my Co noticed a resistance when opening the door. It turned out, that the frame on the top of the door seemed to be deformed in a way that the gap between door and frame/roof became too small causing this resistance approximately when half open (then the door frame contacts the roof frame) . When complete open or closed everything seems normal. The hinges and screws where it's mounted are apparently undamaged. Does anyone have a suggestion how to bring the door into a perfect fit again? Thanks for your input! Regards Roland PH-ZTI Trigear XS Rotax 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365518#365518 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:11 AM PST US From: "Max Cointe" Subject: Europa-List: RE: Model Europa from Philippines Hi Carl, I probably missed the thread you talk about. Can you provide the address to ask / order? By the way how much did they charge? Max Cointe F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 400 hours De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Carl Meek Envoy=C3=A9 : lundi 30 janvier 2012 11:28 =C3 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : Europa-List: Model Europa from Philippines Following a thread on here a little while ago I decided to order a model of my Europa. They've just sent me the pictures for approval before they ship to me. Looks rather good.... Attached! ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:11 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? From: "europapa" Bob, your support is outstanding, thank you so much! I have got the removed vacuum pump here in my house. The bolt holes are 4,7cm ( 1,85 inch) apart (center-center). Seems my mount has got the same size as yours. May be, they send you the wrong cover especially I am not sure what the grove in the plate and the gasket should be good for. But looking at the pictures you made I now have got the idea to close the adapter plate and use it as a cover. Thanks again Juergen Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365549#365549 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:07 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: AW: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy Hi Bruno, I elected to make a system which have two serial connected micro switches per door. When they are BOTH IN I have a green led. When I have two green leds I am pretty sure my doors are firmly closed. Otherwice, they are open OR system is somehow broken. Two Greens = The System is operational = The Doors are closed. Maybe you would like to have red lights (when doors are open) instead of greens or change MS=B4s to be NO (normally open [when doors are open]) as I have them. I promise what more you see green lights when flying that happier you will be (there are possibilities to have masses of green)! ;) *** Notice also my extra safety: there is also a pip-pin to prevent an unwanted inflight door opening. Just my =BD penny or how those englismen that says so gently and good luck for you! Raimo Cheers, Raimo Toivio Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417 Updated flight hours /landings: 257,15 /466 37500 Lempaala FINLAND p +358-3-3753 777 f +358-3-3753 100 toivio@fly.to www.rwm.fi From: uvtreith Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 6:51 PM Subject: AW: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy Hi Roland, I would leave the door inside its door frame and would wait for warmer days; maybe it will set by itself after a while. The best protection for this is to built in an advice. I will install in springtime two micro switches mounted on an aluminium plate together with a common carriage bolt (Schlo=DFschraube). Please see attached pictures (just made for you). You have to make one mirror inverted (spiegelverkehrt). The switch-bolt arrangement weights 35 gramm each. In my panel I have fitted two small green LED lights and the micro switches are openers. When the door is correctly closed, the LED will go out. Best Regards, Bruno -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Roland Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Februar 2012 12:32 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy Hi all, yesterday something embarrassing (and dangerous) happened to me. After departure (already in 5000 ft) I noticed that the door on the copilot-side was not locked on the rear side (I almost hear you saying: "that cannot happen when you worked through the checklist prior take off"). You are so right! After the first shock (suddenly the appropriate passage of the POH came crystal clear in my mind: "when the door springs open it will most likely depart the aircraft") I asked my Co to pull the handle in front and I did the same on the rear. I was so lucky to land with my Europa as a whole!! When leaving the aircraft my Co noticed a resistance when opening the door. It turned out, that the frame on the top of the door seemed to be deformed in a way that the gap between door and frame/roof became too small causing this resistance approximately when half open (then the door frame contacts the roof frame) . When complete open or closed everything seems normal. The hinges and screws where it's mounted are apparently undamaged. Does anyone have a suggestion how to bring the door into a perfect fit again? Thanks for your input! Regards Roland PH-ZTI Trigear XS Rotax 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365518#365518 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? From: Robert Borger Hi Jurgen, When I spoke with Trisha Lockwood, I used the part number for the cover and gasket directly from the current Rotax Illustrated Parts Catalog. 926231 for the Cover and 931770 for the Gasket. And the parts in the illustration look just like the parts sent by Lockwood. Normally these parts are not fastened to the studs with nuts and washers. According to the illustrated parts catalog, the cover and gasket are usually held in place with 4 Allen Screws (M8x20) 240071, 4 Lock Washers (A8) 945752 and 4 Flat Washers (8.4) 250311. BTW, the cover plate provided by Lockwood was 6mm thick (~ 1/4 in), so a 6mm or 1/4" plate should be correct. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:17 PM, europapa wrote: > > Bob, your support is outstanding, thank you so much! > I have got the removed vacuum pump here in my house. > The bolt holes are 4,7cm ( 1,85 inch) apart (center-center). > Seems my mount has got the same size as yours. > May be, they send you the wrong cover especially I am not sure what the grove in the plate and the gasket should be good for. > But looking at the pictures you made I now have got the idea to close the adapter plate and use it as a cover. > > Thanks again > > Juergen ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:10 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy Roland, what was a temperature around 5000 ft and in the ground when you were flying yesterday? Let me guess - in the ground it was -3C. Here - just now - it is a bit too low to go fly w my taste (near -30C /-22F). I am happy you still have two doors and everything as a whole. Raimo Cheers, Raimo Toivio Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417 Updated flight hours /landings: 257,15 /466 37500 Lempaala FINLAND p +358-3-3753 777 f +358-3-3753 100 toivio@fly.to www.rwm.fi -----Alkuperinen viesti----- From: Roland Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 1:32 PM Subject: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy Hi all, yesterday something embarrassing (and dangerous) happened to me. After departure (already in 5000 ft) I noticed that the door on the copilot-side was not locked on the rear side (I almost hear you saying: "that cannot happen when you worked through the checklist prior take off"). You are so right! After the first shock (suddenly the appropriate passage of the POH came crystal clear in my mind: "when the door springs open it will most likely depart the aircraft") I asked my Co to pull the handle in front and I did the same on the rear. I was so lucky to land with my Europa as a whole!! When leaving the aircraft my Co noticed a resistance when opening the door. It turned out, that the frame on the top of the door seemed to be deformed in a way that the gap between door and frame/roof became too small causing this resistance approximately when half open (then the door frame contacts the roof frame) . When complete open or closed everything seems normal. The hinges and screws where it's mounted are apparently undamaged. Does anyone have a suggestion how to bring the door into a perfect fit again? Thanks for your input! Regards Roland PH-ZTI Trigear XS Rotax 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365518#365518 browse Un/Subscription, FAQ, http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List Forums! List Admin. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:44 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? From: "europapa" Sorry Bob, didn't want to blame anybody. My engine is from 2004. That means you have to be careful when ordering a vacuum pump. Juergen Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365556#365556 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Cover for the vacuum pump mount necessary? From: Robert Borger Juergen, No problem! I just wanted to make sure folks knew that the best parts available were discussed with Lockwood. My engine is also from 2004. Yes, one must be careful when ordering any accessory that connects to the back of the gearbox. There have been changes to the accessory pad over the years. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Feb 3, 2012, at 2:38 PM, europapa wrote: > > Sorry Bob, > > didn't want to blame anybody. > My engine is from 2004. > That means you have to be careful when ordering a vacuum pump. > > Juergen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.