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2. 03:43 AM - Re: Deformation of canopy (Roland)
3. 12:03 PM - Re: Re: Deformation of canopy (Raimo Toivio)
4. 12:18 PM - Re: Deformation of canopy (Raimo Toivio)
5. 01:49 PM - Re: Deformation of canopy (Roland)
6. 02:16 PM - Re: Deformation of canopy (Bob Harrison)
7. 02:23 PM - =?utf-8?Q?Pip-pins_in_the_Europa=C2=B4s_doors_-?= =?utf-8?Q?_more_safety_or_not=3F_=28earlier:_d?= =?utf-8?Q?eformation_of_the_canopy=29? (Raimo Toivio)
8. 09:11 PM - Re: Deformation of canopy (Fred Klein)
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No I did not but I wrote =9C More is coming! =9D...
do not archive
From: Paul McAllister
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy
You didn't mention the hot tub and sauna
do not archive.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
wrote:
Fred
that is true. An ideal Europa=C2=B4s weight is around 350 kgs (below
790 lbs). That is possible w/o any extra. Also, it takes time to plan
and build extra. They are also not free!
I have that extra 70 kgs (160 lbs). More is coming!
Why?
- for a good look and luxury (painting, leather, DVD, refridgerator,
heating and defrost system etc, golden register plate etc means about 15
kgs 34 lbs penalty).
- for a safety (warning systems, extra navigation, autopilot, 2nd GPS,
TCAS, alarms, horn, nav-lights, 3 strobos, landing and taxi lights,
panel and a cockpit illumination etc, real aviation safety belts x 4 etc
means about 20 kgs 44 lbs penalty).
- for a speed and efficiency (CS-prop, very finished surfaces and
glossy painting means about 20 kgs 44 lbs penalty).
- for a family (it is 2+2 seater and that was for structural reasons
and extra belts and four place intercom about 10 kgs 22 lbs penalty).
- for me and my wife (good tempur seats, some small details,
decoration etc say 5 kgs 11 lbs penalty)
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Barry,
I left a message in your private box.
Raimo, check if you need to calibrate your ASI :-)
Roland
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Roland,
I have calibrated it carefully. Flying a triangle
and counting an average speed. Or flying when zero
winds and compareing to GPS.
Also, I give my panel when new to The Finnish
Airforce=B4s Tech and they put it to the test bench
to calibrate & adjust ALTs, Varis, ASIs, ALT
Encoder, xpdr, radio etc. (attachment).
Last summer we had a nice trip to Siljansn=E4s.
Look at first pic: my wife is piloting w her left
hand and writing some notes and talking with ESNO
twr, GPS has 154 knots (notice also; her door is
secured by pip-pin. Awful - she cannot escape!).
Second pic: heading to north-north-east, GPS still
154 knots.
Third pic: Dynon shows HDG 17 degrees, IAS 141
kts, TAS 164 kts, practically level flight, wind
was from south 10-15 knots.
We typically cruise IAS 140 knots.
My happy bird is quite speedy but I would love to
see at least one faster Europa in her life time.
So far I have not seen any. Roland, maybe you
would like to try...anytime... XD
Raimo
OH-XRT
FINLAND
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Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 1:38 PM
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Barry,
I left a message in your private box.
Raimo, check if you need to calibrate your ASI
:-)
Roland
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Bob,
you got it =93 we are not contortionists =93 we are pilots.
At the age 50-100 it is a hard task to practise to be a contortionist
=93 pilot.
I have noticed during last years even pick up the safety belts from the
back when sitting there it not too easy (that is why I like to keep
children on the back seat =93 they can give me my belts).
Asking Co-pilot to verify is the door secured or not is a bit risky: how
can you be sure if she/he understand what you really mean?
The door rubber seals make the door a bit tight. I have noticed it is
easy to close when pressing the frame down by my elbow and same time
push the lever gently fore.
***
Total fool proof system would be if you cannot fire your engine in the
case bolts are not in.
Van=C2=B4s 12: you cannot fire the engine if the wing main pip-pins are
not correctly installed.
That is better than a note in POH or even a warning light.
Wishes,
Raimo
OH-XRT
Finland
From: Bob Harrison
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:47 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy
Hi! Fred/Raimo.
I have a couple of wood =9Cpull handles=9D on the rear
portion of each door to ensure they are shut. I have to say they are
never used because I would need to be a damn contortionist to get at
them from the Europa seat positions. If Raimo=99s system is fool
proof then go for it but I use my eyes on the starboard side and ask the
passenger to check port side to verify they are closed and the bolt is
=9Chome=9D.
Over 800 hours perhaps 900 and never yet a take off with a door not
properly closed.
Regards
Bob Harrison (G-PTAG)
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Toivio
Sent: 06 February 2012 20:44
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy
Fred
that is true. An ideal Europa=C2=B4s weight is around 350 kgs (below 790
lbs). That is possible w/o any extra. Also, it takes time to plan and
build extra. They are also not free!
I have that extra 70 kgs (160 lbs). More is coming!
Why?
- for a good look and luxury (painting, leather, DVD, refridgerator,
heating and defrost system etc, golden register plate etc means about 15
kgs 34 lbs penalty).
- for a safety (warning systems, extra navigation, autopilot, 2nd GPS,
TCAS, alarms, horn, nav-lights, 3 strobos, landing and taxi lights,
panel and a cockpit illumination etc, real aviation safety belts x 4 etc
means about 20 kgs 44 lbs penalty).
- for a speed and efficiency (CS-prop, very finished surfaces and glossy
painting means about 20 kgs 44 lbs penalty).
- for a family (it is 2+2 seater and that was for structural reasons and
extra belts and four place intercom about 10 kgs 22 lbs penalty).
- for me and my wife (good tempur seats, some small details, decoration
etc say 5 kgs 11 lbs penalty)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------
That is all together 70 kgs and those kilos make Romeo Tango
personalized for our taste.
For me it was the best part of the building to think about all these
extras and judge what to do and what do not.
***
Door bolts warning system:
2xmicroswitch (4 is not necessary)
some wire
one led (two is not necessary)
connected to the fuse you already have
Penalty is not more than 0,1 kg = 0,225 lbs.
You will build it about 2 hours only.
And spend money let=C2=B4s say few bugs like 20 dollars.
It is a bit ackward to check rearbolts. Really. At least my body does
not want to twist to the left so much. It is dangerous to your healthy.
It is human not to do it always. But it is easy to check one green led.
Very easy!
You can still have your statement PULL DOOR INWARD BEFORE LATCHING and
then verify you have the green led.
Do it, for me please!
Raimo OH-XRT
Finland
From: Fred Klein
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: AW: AW: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy
On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:06 AM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
If green (should be red then!) off means bolts are in, how can you be
pretty sure system is ok? If you loose your microswitch or led or fuse
your greens are off and you think bolts are in but maybe they are not.
All,
I have followed this thread with interest as it seems to embody the
tension between keeping things simple on one hand and fitting out our
planes sufficiently to ensure safe flight on the other.
I've paid some attention to the issue of ensuring the rear shoot-bolts
engage because when fitting the doors, I found that the rear portion of
the door seemed to spring outward just enough for the rear shoot-bolts
to miss the aluminum tubing which prevented proper closure...not good!
After sitting in the left seat...twisting my body and reaching about to
determine where I could reach in order to pull in the aft portion of the
door prior to closing the lever and engaging the shoot-bolts...I
installed a simple tab on the window frames (both port and stbd) which I
could grip and pull inward. One thing I noticed while checking out my
little ergonomics exercise was that I found that I could not feel
whether or not the shoot-bolts were properly engaged or not, nor could I
readily see likewise. The fundemental idea I took away from these
exercises was that it was essential to pull the rear portion of the
window/door inward BEFORE moving the latching handle forward.
As luck would have it, after installing the plexiglas windows, I found
that the additional weight completely eliminates the tendency for the
rear portion of the window/door to spring outward and for the
shoot-bolts to not engage; however, I have not as yet fitted the tubular
rubber seal...so perhaps the conditions may change.
My hunch at this point is that my checklist MUST include an item
stating: PULL DOOR INWARD BEFORE LATCHING.
For the moment, I'm content with that and will not add the additional
complexity of a warning light system. I've had a look at about 20
Europas and, I believe, have yet to see a microswitch/LED
installation...I'm wondering how common are such installations.
Fred
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Raimo,
I'm afraid my bird cannot compete to that numbers. Tango India isn't slow (about
125 KIAS at 4800 RPM, don't ask me for MP, burning approximately 20 litres)
but it is a Trigear albeit equipped with speed kit. So you'll have to search further
but maybe rather in the Ban Bi community.
I understand your Europa is also powered by the Rotax 914, right?
Don't worry about your wife - there are other reasons keeping her from escaping
your plane at 160 kts at 10 k ft - you won't need a pip pin for that.
Roland
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Hi! Raimo,
Yes I concur with all you say and watch out for =9Cthe old
man=9D coming on !
I can still get my head round to see my rear port door but
there=99s no way I could reach behind but also I do know it is
properly shut when I close it anyway so I don=99t really depend on
the passenger but it gives them a thrill to be involved !
Motto is never trust anyone , that=99s why I would never have a
partner during the build .
Best regards ........and love to Marke and =9Cthe girls=9D
they must love their flying Dad. Such a pity they aren=99t older
!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo
Toivio
Sent: 07 February 2012 20:14
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy
Bob,
you got it =93 we are not contortionists =93 we are pilots.
At the age 50-100 it is a hard task to practise to be a contortionist
=93 pilot.
I have noticed during last years even pick up the safety belts from the
back when sitting there it not too easy (that is why I like to keep
children on the back seat =93 they can give me my belts).
Asking Co-pilot to verify is the door secured or not is a bit risky: how
can you be sure if she/he understand what you really mean?
The door rubber seals make the door a bit tight. I have noticed it is
easy to close when pressing the frame down by my elbow and same time
push the lever gently fore.
***
Total fool proof system would be if you cannot fire your engine in the
case bolts are not in.
Van=C2=B4s 12: you cannot fire the engine if the wing main pip-pins are
not correctly installed.
That is better than a note in POH or even a warning light.
Wishes,
Raimo
OH-XRT
Finland
From: Bob Harrison <mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:47 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy
Hi! Fred/Raimo.
I have a couple of wood =9Cpull handles=9D on the rear
portion of each door to ensure they are shut. I have to say they are
never used because I would need to be a damn contortionist to get at
them from the Europa seat positions. If Raimo=99s system is fool
proof then go for it but I use my eyes on the starboard side and ask the
passenger to check port side to verify they are closed and the bolt is
=9Chome=9D.
Over 800 hours perhaps 900 and never yet a take off with a door not
properly closed.
Regards
Bob Harrison (G-PTAG)
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo
Toivio
Sent: 06 February 2012 20:44
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy
Fred
that is true. An ideal Europa=C2=B4s weight is around 350 kgs (below 790
lbs). That is possible w/o any extra. Also, it takes time to plan and
build extra. They are also not free!
I have that extra 70 kgs (160 lbs). More is coming!
Why?
- for a good look and luxury (painting, leather, DVD, refridgerator,
heating and defrost system etc, golden register plate etc means about 15
kgs 34 lbs penalty).
- for a safety (warning systems, extra navigation, autopilot, 2nd GPS,
TCAS, alarms, horn, nav-lights, 3 strobos, landing and taxi lights,
panel and a cockpit illumination etc, real aviation safety belts x 4 etc
means about 20 kgs 44 lbs penalty).
- for a speed and efficiency (CS-prop, very finished surfaces and glossy
painting means about 20 kgs 44 lbs penalty).
- for a family (it is 2+2 seater and that was for structural reasons and
extra belts and four place intercom about 10 kgs 22 lbs penalty).
- for me and my wife (good tempur seats, some small details, decoration
etc say 5 kgs 11 lbs penalty)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------
That is all together 70 kgs and those kilos make Romeo Tango
personalized for our taste.
For me it was the best part of the building to think about all these
extras and judge what to do and what do not.
***
Door bolts warning system:
2xmicroswitch (4 is not necessary)
some wire
one led (two is not necessary)
connected to the fuse you already have
Penalty is not more than 0,1 kg = 0,225 lbs.
You will build it about 2 hours only.
And spend money let=C2=B4s say few bugs like 20 dollars.
It is a bit ackward to check rearbolts. Really. At least my body does
not want to twist to the left so much. It is dangerous to your healthy.
It is human not to do it always. But it is easy to check one green led.
Very easy!
You can still have your statement PULL DOOR INWARD BEFORE LATCHING and
then verify you have the green led.
Do it, for me please!
Raimo OH-XRT
Finland
From: Fred Klein <mailto:fklein@orcasonline.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: AW: AW: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy
On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:06 AM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
If green (should be red then!) off means bolts are in, how can you be
pretty sure system is ok? If you loose your microswitch or led or fuse
your greens are off and you think bolts are in but maybe they are not.
All,
I have followed this thread with interest as it seems to embody the
tension between keeping things simple on one hand and fitting out our
planes sufficiently to ensure safe flight on the other.
I've paid some attention to the issue of ensuring the rear shoot-bolts
engage because when fitting the doors, I found that the rear portion of
the door seemed to spring outward just enough for the rear shoot-bolts
to miss the aluminum tubing which prevented proper closure...not good!
After sitting in the left seat...twisting my body and reaching about to
determine where I could reach in order to pull in the aft portion of the
door prior to closing the lever and engaging the shoot-bolts...I
installed a simple tab on the window frames (both port and stbd) which I
could grip and pull inward. One thing I noticed while checking out my
little ergonomics exercise was that I found that I could not feel
whether or not the shoot-bolts were properly engaged or not, nor could I
readily see likewise. The fundemental idea I took away from these
exercises was that it was essential to pull the rear portion of the
window/door inward BEFORE moving the latching handle forward.
As luck would have it, after installing the plexiglas windows, I found
that the additional weight completely eliminates the tendency for the
rear portion of the window/door to spring outward and for the
shoot-bolts to not engage; however, I have not as yet fitted the tubular
rubber seal...so perhaps the conditions may change.
My hunch at this point is that my checklist MUST include an item
stating: PULL DOOR INWARD BEFORE LATCHING.
For the moment, I'm content with that and will not add the additional
complexity of a warning light system. I've had a look at about 20
Europas and, I believe, have yet to see a microswitch/LED
installation...I'm wondering how common are such installations.
Fred
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Tim, Bruno and all who care about flight safety
This is an old threat and I am bit agonizing. But once more:
Sometimes we have to use our brains over The Rules. That is why we fly
experimentals. Safety over The Rules. The rules follow sooner or later
experimental wisdom.
***
Which case is more probable:
Every single Europa flight and any time of the flight you or your
passenger may open the door handle by accident, because of careless
manners, madness, illness, naivety, childishness or because she/he is a
child
or
if once in a lifetime happens an emergency on the ground or emergency
landing where you are still and well alive, still right side up but
cannot open the door and people (there are people!) outside are not able
to broke that thinniest plexiglass and the plane is burning and you will
die because of that door pip-pin a=C2=B4la me.
Make your choise.
Europa Aircraft have noticed that risk and in the BM they call the
builder to make a guard to prevent unintended door opening during the
flight. I went only a bit further and add also pip-pins. It was so easy
to imagine, that my sleeve pick-up the lever and soon the door is open,
separateing, hitting to the rudder/fin and almost killing them, air flow
is awful, co-pilot is screaming because she understand this is the
final, all the papers are flown away and an assymmetric drag is almost
impossible to handle, thinking same time shoud I open also the other
door to balance the plane and trying because of a strong drag to make an
emergency landing with full power. No =93 I did not want to
experience this and added pip-pins to both doors. Amen.
BTW in my POH /emergency situ list there is a line =9Cbefore
emergency landing take the door pip-pins out=9D. Happy now?
I used to take them away before every landing but refuced later because
understood it is a risk itself (to pull out the pip-pins during the
flight).
That would not be allowed on a certified aircraft.
Maybe so, but so what?
Typical certified planes are all metal and have small windows. If locked
when emergency, it is a difficult task to take bodies out. The doors are
also not easily openable during the flight (hinged fore). No reason to
lock or for pip-pins.
Our Europa is plastic, has large windows with thin and weak plexi
=93 easy to broke and take bodies out very fluently. I will not
try but I am almost sure a normal man can open the door the bolts
engaged by his hands only. If he has any tool or a stone he can do it
surely. What more important =93 those doors would love to open
during the flight! Pip-pin is for every-flight-safety!
***
I well remember =93 once I tried to open the door of our Cessna
during cruise flight. With full power I opened it and got a cap 200-300
mm, no more.
BTW =93 Cessna 172N 1982 POH: before departure lock the doors!
There was a nice elbow rest in the door but it was imposible to use it
without locking the door. And Cessna is certified machine I assume!
***
You are free to lose your doors during flight. I hope you are happy then
and think: =9C hey I am a pilot who follows the rules anyway
=9C. RIP =93 he followed strictly every possible rules to
the final end.
***
LAA says no no for in-glight locked doors. Obviously pip-pins in
Europa=C2=B4s door are criminal also if used them in-flight? You boys in
UK have semi-experimentals if you have to follow so stupid rules. Judge
yourself.
Same time you are allowed by LAA to use those very dangerous original
auto type safety belts? And because they are allowed you use them. No
matter dangerous or not.
And you are pushed to try VNE every year...can it be true?
In Finland and I assume in most countries you =93 the builder -
are also the designer, who make the orders to The POH. Like using
pip-pins or what so ever.
Pilot is a God in the plane with full responsibilitet =93 nothing
is over her /him. Not even LAA.
Now I am sure I am soon invited to any LAA happening to talk about
flight safety. Or instead of that maybe they will send some Spitfires to
hunt me if I ever dare to fly over Channnel (which is my long time
goal).
***
A little story from near history: during my Cessna time I use to have a
smooth hammer in the plane. My habit was to show it to all my new
passengers. I promised to knock their head if necessary. I said also
that is ok according The International Flight Rules. Not true but they
all believed and behavioured very well. I never hit anybody during the
flight, believe me. That is strictly illegal but you can be sure I would
have done it if necessary. Safety over The Rules...
I have nothing to say any more.
Cheers, Raimo Toivio (sometimes happily outlawed for a total safety)
Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417
Updated Europa flight hours /landings: 257,15 /466
Total flight time /landings: 872,45 /1423
37500 Lempaala
FINLAND
p +358-3-3753 777
f +358-3-3753 100
toivio@fly.to
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From: houlihan
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: AW: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy
Hi Bruno.
Be advised that fitting a locking pin on the inside of the door could
impede access to someone attempting to get you out in an emergency if
you are unable to do it yourself, of course if its only your passenger
it may not matter too much !.
( the last comment is not meant to be taken seriously ! ! :<))
That would not be allowed on a certified aircraft.
Tim
On 4 February 2012 09:59, uvtreith <uvtreith@t-online.de> wrote:
Hi Raimo,
In fact, my first idea was to use the green LEDs as you suggest. LEDs
on = doors closed. But than I thought, better no lights on when system
is ok. But you are right; green lights will give you a safer feeling. In
my opinion, as the rear door bolts are critical, switches on the rear
bolts should be do it.
I have seen your pippins to secure the handles. I will do the same for
the passenger side.
Have a nice and safe flight time too.
All the best,
Bruno
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Raimo
Toivio
Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Februar 2012 20:03
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Re: AW: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy
Hi Bruno,
I elected to make a system which have two serial connected micro
switches per door. When they are BOTH IN I have a green led. When I have
two green leds I am pretty sure my doors are firmly closed.
Otherwice, they are open OR system is somehow broken. Two Greens =
The System is operational = The Doors are closed.
Maybe you would like to have red lights (when doors are open) instead
of greens or change MS=C2=B4s to be NO (normally open [when doors are
open]) as I have them.
I promise what more you see green lights when flying that happier you
will be (there are possibilities to have masses of green)! ;)
***
Notice also my extra safety: there is also a pip-pin to prevent an
unwanted inflight door opening.
Just my =C2=BD penny or how those englismen that says so gently and
good luck for you!
Raimo
Cheers, Raimo Toivio
Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417
Updated flight hours /landings: 257,15 /466
37500 Lempaala
FINLAND
p +358-3-3753 777
f +358-3-3753 100
toivio@fly.to
www.rwm.fi
From: uvtreith
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 6:51 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: AW: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy
Hi Roland,
I would leave the door inside its door frame and would wait for warmer
days; maybe it will set by itself after a while.
The best protection for this is to built in an advice. I will install
in springtime two micro switches mounted on an aluminium plate together
with a common carriage bolt (Schlo=C3=9Fschraube).
Please see attached pictures (just made for you). You have to make one
mirror inverted (spiegelverkehrt). The switch-bolt arrangement weights
35 gramm each.
In my panel I have fitted two small green LED lights and the micro
switches are openers. When the door is correctly closed, the LED will go
out.
Best Regards,
Bruno
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Roland
Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Februar 2012 12:32
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy
Hi all,
yesterday something embarrassing (and dangerous) happened to me. After
departure (already in 5000 ft) I noticed that the door on the
copilot-side was not locked on the rear side (I almost hear you saying:
"that cannot happen when you worked through the checklist prior take
off"). You are so right!
After the first shock (suddenly the appropriate passage of the POH
came crystal clear in my mind: "when the door springs open it will most
likely depart the aircraft") I asked my Co to pull the handle in front
and I did the same on the rear.
I was so lucky to land with my Europa as a whole!! When leaving the
aircraft my Co noticed a resistance when opening the door. It turned
out, that the frame on the top of the door seemed to be deformed in a
way that the gap between door and frame/roof became too small causing
this resistance approximately when half open (then the door frame
contacts the roof frame) . When complete open or closed everything seems
normal. The hinges and screws where it's mounted are apparently
undamaged.
Does anyone have a suggestion how to bring the door into a perfect fit
again?
Thanks for your input!
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI
Trigear XS
Rotax 914
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| Subject: | Re: Deformation of canopy |
On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
> we are not contortionists ' we are pilots. At the age 50-100 it is a
> hard task to practise to be a contortionist ' pilot.
...fascinating topic...
Raimo...a couple of questions...
- When you say you are not a contortionist, are you saying
that...while sitting in the left seat cockpit...you either CANNOT, or
find it extremely difficult to, pull the rear of your window/door
inward if the rear shoot-bolt doesn't engage properly?...
- If so, what happens when you don't get a "green" lite?
- How often do you not get a "green" lite after latching your window/
door?
What I'm trying to understand is whether or not your window/door
installation was perfect or near perfect resulting in virtually 100%
engagement of rear shoot-bolt when latching and thus your warning lite
system merely gives you some peace of mind.
As mentioned previously, I feared that my rear shoot-bolts would NOT
engage properly UNLESS I was able to include some means of pulling the
rear of the window inward...and my little ergonomic investigation
showed me that if I installed a little tab on the window
frame...approximately in line with the CM "head rest"...this would do
the trick, without my needing to be a contortionist. This works for
both port and stbd windows as I, like others, do not want to depend on
a passenger to tell me if everything's aok.
(For the port window, I reach my right arm across my chest to pull the
tab inward while my left hand pushes the door handle forward...for the
stdb window, I reach my right arm behind the passenger's "head rest"
and pull inward while passenger [or I] push the door handle
forward...no contorting necessary...and whether I have a warning lite
system or not, I still anticipate going thru these motions when
securing the window/doors.)
Fred
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