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1. 02:19 AM - Lightning Strike (Martin Olliver)
2. 02:44 AM - Re: Lightning Strike (nigel henry)
3. 02:47 AM - Re: Lightning Strike (David Joyce)
4. 02:49 AM - Re: Lightning Strike (Trevor Pond)
5. 02:55 AM - Re: Lightning Strike (David Joyce)
6. 03:17 AM - Re: Lightning Strike (Peter Zutrauen)
7. 03:31 AM - Re: Lightning Strike (David Joyce)
8. 04:20 AM - Re: Lightning Strike (Paul McAllister)
9. 05:02 AM - Re: Lightning Strike (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
10. 06:22 AM - Re: Lightning Strike (Karl Heindl)
11. 06:53 AM - Re: Lightning Strike (Raimo Toivio)
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Subject: | Lightning Strike |
Hi All. Has anyone experienced a lightning strike in a Europa? If not what is the
perceived result of such a strike? A few years ago in the south of England
a plastic glider was struck and broke up in flight both occupants survived as
parachutes were deployed. A luxury I am unable to have due to size issues (not
saying I am fat just well built!) My concern with the Europa is the lack of bonding
between components and conductors to ensure components don't explode apart,
as happened with the glider.
If as I suspect we all take a risk with this issue has any one considered any
possible remedial action to improve the situation?
Martin.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366176#366176
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Subject: | Lightning Strike |
Dont fly ! As for well built Iv had lunch with you in Mcdonnalds ! and two
of us in one europa I think might be a no no as not able to add fuel for w&
b issues=2C so safety is bliss see you soon Nigel Ps will be down in the ne
xt few days put the coffee on ...... and no buns ! and yes will bring your
gascolator top.
> Subject: Europa-List: Lightning Strike
> From: martflynut@aol.com
> Date: Mon=2C 13 Feb 2012 02:17:46 -0800
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
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> Hi All. Has anyone experienced a lightning strike in a Europa? If not wha
t is the perceived result of such a strike? A few years ago in the south of
England a plastic glider was struck and broke up in flight both occupants
survived as parachutes were deployed. A luxury I am unable to have due to s
ize issues (not saying I am fat just well built!) My concern with the Europ
a is the lack of bonding between components and conductors to ensure compon
ents don't explode apart=2C as happened with the glider.
> If as I suspect we all take a risk with this issue has any one considere
d any possible remedial action to improve the situation?
> Martin.
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Subject: | Re: Lightning Strike |
Martin, Paul McAlister had a lightning strike on his
Europa which produced only modest damage and left the
plane fliable, detailed at:
http://europa363.versadev.com/LightningStrike.html It
was clearly a much lower energy strike than the one that
blew up the glider. It apperas to havetravelled along thge
wires to his nav ligfhts and thus avoided the control
runs. When I was contemplating flying to Ausralia I did a
fair bit of research on the topic and found it exremely
difficult to get any authoritive advice other than the CAA
publication triggered by the glider incident (CAA
AIL/0014, 2001, ISBN 1 904862 19 5) which gives
recommendations for protecting gliders. It makes excellent
sense for Europas contemplating getting near to Cu Nims.
( And although I usually feel it best to stay very well
clear of such things, it is not possible to get to
Australia without risking doing so unwittingly). My plan
had been to run some aluminium mesh along the aileron and
flap close outs to link with the rear lift pins and the
bar across the fus behind tghe seats, with foil extensions
from the outer aluminium mesh around the wing tip. I also
planned to run a link from the engine frame to the tail
wheel spring.
Hope that helps, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:17:46 -0800
"Martin Olliver" <martflynut@aol.com> wrote:
><martflynut@aol.com>
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> Hi All. Has anyone experienced a lightning strike in a
>Europa? If not what is the perceived result of such a
>strike? A few years ago in the south of England a plastic
>glider was struck and broke up in flight both occupants
>survived as parachutes were deployed. A luxury I am
>unable to have due to size issues (not saying I am fat
>just well built!) My concern with the Europa is the lack
>of bonding between components and conductors to ensure
>components don't explode apart, as happened with the
>glider.
> If as I suspect we all take a risk with this issue has
>any one considered any possible remedial action to
>improve the situation?
> Martin.
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366176#366176
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Subject: | Re: Lightning Strike |
What do Cirrus do?
Trev
G-LINN
Sent from my iPhone
On 13 Feb 2012, at 10:17, "Martin Olliver" <martflynut@aol.com> wrote:
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> Hi All. Has anyone experienced a lightning strike in a Europa? If not what is
the perceived result of such a strike? A few years ago in the south of England
a plastic glider was struck and broke up in flight both occupants survived as
parachutes were deployed. A luxury I am unable to have due to size issues (not
saying I am fat just well built!) My concern with the Europa is the lack of
bonding between components and conductors to ensure components don't explode
apart, as happened with the glider.
> If as I suspect we all take a risk with this issue has any one considered any
possible remedial action to improve the situation?
> Martin.
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366176#366176
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Subject: | Re: Lightning Strike |
Martin, Sorry that link to Paul's strike doesn't seem to
work, but perhaps he will come back with one that does!
David
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:46:25 +0000
"David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote:
><davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
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> Martin, Paul McAlister had a lightning strike on his
>Europa which produced only modest damage and left the
>plane fliable, detailed at:
>http://europa363.versadev.com/LightningStrike.html It
>was clearly a much lower energy strike than the one that
>blew up the glider. It apperas to havetravelled along
>thge wires to his nav ligfhts and thus avoided the
>control runs. When I was contemplating flying to Ausralia
>I did a fair bit of research on the topic and found it
>exremely difficult to get any authoritive advice other
>than the CAA publication triggered by the glider incident
> (CAA AIL/0014, 2001, ISBN 1 904862 19 5) which gives
>recommendations for protecting gliders. It makes
>excellent sense for Europas contemplating getting near to
>Cu Nims.
> ( And although I usually feel it best to stay very well
>clear of such things, it is not possible to get to
>Australia without risking doing so unwittingly). My plan
>had been to run some aluminium mesh along the aileron and
>flap close outs to link with the rear lift pins and the
>bar across the fus behind tghe seats, with foil
>extensions from the outer aluminium mesh around the wing
>tip. I also planned to run a link from the engine frame
>to the tail wheel spring.
> Hope that helps, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:17:46 -0800
> "Martin Olliver" <martflynut@aol.com> wrote:
>><martflynut@aol.com>
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>> Hi All. Has anyone experienced a lightning strike in a
>>Europa? If not what is the perceived result of such a
>>strike? A few years ago in the south of England a plastic
>>glider was struck and broke up in flight both occupants
>>survived as parachutes were deployed. A luxury I am
>>unable to have due to size issues (not saying I am fat
>>just well built!) My concern with the Europa is the lack
>>of bonding between components and conductors to ensure
>>components don't explode apart, as happened with the
>>glider.
>> If as I suspect we all take a risk with this issue has
>>any one considered any possible remedial action to
>>improve the situation?
>> Martin.
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366176#366176
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Subject: | Re: Lightning Strike |
Hi Martin,
I was under the impression that the glider you referred to broke up in
flight due to the water ballast in the wings?
Indeed in the archives you should find Paul Mcallister's lightning strike
experience. Quite a read!
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Anatomy_of_a_Lightning_Strike.pdf
Cheers,
Pete
A239
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Martin Olliver <martflynut@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All. Has anyone experienced a lightning strike in a Europa? If not what
> is the perceived result of such a strike? A few years ago in the south of
> England a plastic glider was struck and broke up in flight both occupants
> survived as parachutes were deployed. A luxury I am unable to have due to
> size issues (not saying I am fat just well built!) My concern with the
> Europa is the lack of bonding between components and conductors to ensure
> components don't explode apart, as happened with the glider.
> If as I suspect we all take a risk with this issue has any one considered
> any possible remedial action to improve the situation?
> Martin.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366176#366176
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Subject: | Re: Lightning Strike |
Pete, It was a flight experience/trial lesson flight, with
P2 having his first glider flight (and his last, inspte of
being offered a free second one in view of his first being
curtailed!) There was no water ballast, but there was some
speculation that some water contamination (?condensation)
might have added to the force of the heat generated
expansionof the air in the wing, which effectively blew
the two surfaces apart. What was established is that the
energy in the bolt was exceptionally high, significantly
more, in fact, than airliners are built to withstand.
Regards, David Joyce
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:16:04 -0500
Peter Zutrauen <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
> Hi Martin,
>
> I was under the impression that the glider you referred
>to broke up in
> flight due to the water ballast in the wings?
>
> Indeed in the archives you should find Paul Mcallister's
>lightning strike
> experience. Quite a read!
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Anatomy_of_a_Lightning_Strike.pdf
>
> Cheers,
> Pete
> A239
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Martin Olliver
><martflynut@aol.com> wrote:
>
>><martflynut@aol.com>
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>> Hi All. Has anyone experienced a lightning strike in a
>>Europa? If not what
>> is the perceived result of such a strike? A few years
>>ago in the south of
>> England a plastic glider was struck and broke up in
>>flight both occupants
>> survived as parachutes were deployed. A luxury I am
>>unable to have due to
>> size issues (not saying I am fat just well built!) My
>>concern with the
>> Europa is the lack of bonding between components and
>>conductors to ensure
>> components don't explode apart, as happened with the
>>glider.
>> If as I suspect we all take a risk with this issue has
>>any one considered
>> any possible remedial action to improve the situation?
>> Martin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366176#366176
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Subject: | Re: Lightning Strike |
Hi Martin,
I documented a lightning strike at http://www.europa.net.nz/363/index.html.
Its under the drop down on the left hand side.
Paul
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Martin Olliver <martflynut@aol.com> wrote:
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> Hi All. Has anyone experienced a lightning strike in a Europa? If not what
> is the perceived result of such a strike? A few years ago in the south of
> England a plastic glider was struck and broke up in flight both occupants
> survived as parachutes were deployed. A luxury I am unable to have due to
> size issues (not saying I am fat just well built!) My concern with the
> Europa is the lack of bonding between components and conductors to ensure
> components don't explode apart, as happened with the glider.
> If as I suspect we all take a risk with this issue has any one considered
> any possible remedial action to improve the situation?
> Martin.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Lightning Strike |
Pete & Martin=0AIt was the control runs I think, but probably also moisture
in the core of the composite skins, I remember reading that the wings expl
oded like-confetti.=0A=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0A From: Peter Zutrauen <peterz@zutrasoft.com>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics
.com =0ASent: Monday, 13 February 2012, 11:16=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: L
ightning Strike=0A =0A=0AHi Martin,=0A=0AI was under the impression that th
e glider you referred to broke up in flight due to the water ballast in the
wings?=0A=0AIndeed in the archives you should find Paul Mcallister's light
ning strike experience. Quite a read!- =0A=0Ahttp://www.aeroelectric.com/
articles/Anatomy_of_a_Lightning_Strike.pdf=0A=0ACheers,=0APete=0AA239=0A=0A
=0AOn Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Martin Olliver <martflynut@aol.com> wro
l.com>=0A>=0A>Hi All. Has anyone experienced a lightning strike in a Europa
? If not what is the perceived result of such a strike? A few years ago in
the south of England a plastic glider was struck and broke up in flight bot
h occupants survived as parachutes were deployed. A luxury I am unable to h
ave due to size issues (not saying I am fat just well built!) My concern wi
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Subject: | Lightning Strike |
I have had a minor strike some years ago. Judging by the trail of 'damage'
it appears to have entered by the tailpipe and exited via the radiator. But
it was minor and no repair was necessary.Manufacturers like Cirrus and Dia
mond have integrated aluminum or copper mesh into the wing skins.
Karl
From: gbupa@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Lightning Strike
Dont fly ! As for well built Iv had lunch with you in Mcdonnalds ! and two
of us in one europa I think might be a no no as not able to add fuel for w&
b issues=2C so safety is bliss see you soon Nigel Ps will be down in the ne
xt few days put the coffee on ...... and no buns ! and yes will bring your
gascolator top.
> Subject: Europa-List: Lightning Strike
> From: martflynut@aol.com
> Date: Mon=2C 13 Feb 2012 02:17:46 -0800
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Hi All. Has anyone experienced a lightning strike in a Europa? If not wha
t is the perceived result of such a strike? A few years ago in the south of
England a plastic glider was struck and broke up in flight both occupants
survived as parachutes were deployed. A luxury I am unable to have due to s
ize issues (not saying I am fat just well built!) My concern with the Europ
a is the lack of bonding between components and conductors to ensure compon
ents don't explode apart=2C as happened with the glider.
> If as I suspect we all take a risk with this issue has any one considere
d any possible remedial action to improve the situation?
> Martin.
>
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366176#366176
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Subject: | Re: Lightning Strike |
Martin,
I had a case 8.th of June 2008. It went in via a
fin top mounted strobo (it melted and remainders
are in my "museum" now). Never found an outcoming
hole. It broke also an electric trim and we had to
land when trimmed for a cruise speed. It visited
also a radio but no radio damages. I felt it via
power lever and co-pilot got some electric
experience via his headsets.
That occurred when we flew between two black CBs,
distance was about 10 nm /each. I cannot verify
was it a strike or so called St. Elmos fire. Not
very fun anyway.
What I did later to improve the situation? Nothing
but try to stay more clear about CBs.
Raimo
OH-XRT
FINLAND
-----Alkuperinen viesti-----
From: Martin Olliver
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:17 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Lightning Strike
Olliver" <martflynut@aol.com>
Hi All. Has anyone experienced a lightning strike
in a Europa? If not what is the perceived result
of such a strike? A few years ago in the south of
England a plastic glider was struck and broke up
in flight both occupants survived as parachutes
were deployed. A luxury I am unable to have due to
size issues (not saying I am fat just well built!)
My concern with the Europa is the lack of bonding
between components and conductors to ensure
components don't explode apart, as happened with
the glider.
If as I suspect we all take a risk with this issue
has any one considered any possible remedial
action to improve the situation?
Martin.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366176#366176
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