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Mon 03/05/12


Total Messages Posted: 19



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 01:16 AM - Re: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made (roddyeuropa@aol.com)
     2. 01:38 AM - Insurance (Martin Olliver)
     3. 01:45 AM - Re: Insurance (nigel henry)
     4. 02:11 AM - Re: Insurance (David Joyce)
     5. 04:07 AM - Re: New Generation documentation (G-IANI)
     6. 10:26 AM - Europa Club Website (Richard Churchill-Coleman)
     7. 11:09 AM - Re: Europa Club Website (houlihan)
     8. 12:15 PM - Re: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made (Kevin Challis)
     9. 12:15 PM - The New Europa Club website (Steven Pitt)
    10. 12:20 PM - Re: Europa Club Website (G-IANI)
    11. 12:42 PM - Old Club website (Steven Pitt)
    12. 01:36 PM - Re: Old Club website (RCC Sky Mail)
    13. 02:47 PM - Re: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made (Neville Eyre)
    14. 02:55 PM - Re: brakes (Neville Eyre)
    15. 03:16 PM - Re: Old Club website (Tim Ward)
    16. 03:18 PM - Re: Laminova heat exchanger and Evans coolant (kees de bussy)
    17. 03:50 PM - Re: Old Club website (EuropaForum)
    18. 04:32 PM - Re: The New Europa Club website (Robert Borger)
    19. 11:23 PM - SV: The New Europa Club website (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:16:25 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made
    From: roddyeuropa@aol.com
    Hi Graeme. I'm in for one if you are getting a batch made up. Roddy Kesterton G-IKRK -----Original Message----- From: graeme bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> Sent: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:33 Subject: Europa-List: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made I am thinking of getting a batch of aluminum fuel filler pipes made for the lassic to replace the rubber trunk. Frank Mycroft sent me a drawing and has had he mod approved ( it may be with Ian as well). a) does anyone else want one making, they would be cheaper in a batch ) I can enquire locally but pointers as to where they could be made in the UK ould be helpful (50mm x 1.5 pipe) Regards Graeme -------- raeme Bird -UMPY ono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP ust competed conversion to type (at)gdbmk.co.uk ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367709#367709 -= - The Europa-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 01:38:49 AM PST US
    Subject: Insurance
    From: "Martin Olliver" <martflynut@aol.com>
    I am about to insure my Europa tri gear and was wondering who is offering the best rate for Europa aircraft in the UK? Any suggestions and prices are welcome. Thanks. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367769#367769


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    Time: 01:45:36 AM PST US
    From: nigel henry <gbupa@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Insurance
    Lancaster keep canvasing me.... Worth a try Nigel > Subject: Europa-List: Insurance > From: martflynut@aol.com > Date: Mon=2C 5 Mar 2012 01:37:41 -0800 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > I am about to insure my Europa tri gear and was wondering who is offering the best rate for Europa aircraft in the UK? Any suggestions and prices ar e welcome. > Thanks. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367769#367769 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > >


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    Time: 02:11:59 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: Insurance
    Martin, I have varied between Traffords, Hall & Clarke and Haywards over the years usually getting quotes from at least two and often getting the second best to beat the best when informed of the other firm's quote. Currently Traffords are clear best. For what it's worth (not much I guees as it's a lot of hours and long no claims) I have just renewed at 1014 for hull 40k and trailer 2.5k with all bells and whistles for a 914 mono XS. Regards, david Joyce, G-XSDJ On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 01:37:41 -0800 "Martin Olliver" <martflynut@aol.com> wrote: ><martflynut@aol.com> > > I am about to insure my Europa tri gear and was >wondering who is offering the best rate for Europa >aircraft in the UK? Any suggestions and prices are >welcome. > Thanks. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367769#367769 > > > > > > > >Un/Subscription, >Forums! >Admin. > > >


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    Time: 04:07:28 AM PST US
    From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: New Generation documentation
    Wouter Fortunately I have the builder of Kit 626 just down the road from me. The cap just glues on once the sides have been joined. The cap fits over (outside) the main moulding. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Kroon - Doscha BV Sent: 04 March 2012 16:26 Subject: Europa-List: New Generation documentation New on the list, just out of my egg: Bought my self the first stage kit with al New Generation control surfaces. Wonderful and sw=E9=E9=E9d. A few things are hard to understand though. For instance, I have no documentation about the little cap on top of the rudder. Does anyone have any pictures or drawings that can help me out. A builders log would be the ultimate off course. All pictures, drawings, measurements are more than welcome. Thank you in advance, Wouter Kroon (kit 627, first stage) <mailto:W.Kroon@doscha.nl> W.Kroon@doscha.nl Based in Holland


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    Time: 10:26:01 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Churchill-Coleman" <richard.churchill-coleman@sky.com>
    Subject: Europa Club Website
    Ian I can't get onto the Club Website at the moment (or for the last 24 hours) - do you happen to know if it is down for maintenance? Rgds Richard C-C -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI Sent: 04 March 2012 16:29 Subject: RE: Europa-List: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Yes I have a copy of the Mod 13070 and it is available from me and on the new web site. In LAA terms it will be a repeat Mod (22.50) at present but I can probably get it made a standard mod (then FOC) if there is enough interest. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com


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    Time: 11:09:01 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Europa Club Website
    From: houlihan <houlihan@blueyonder.co.uk>
    On 5 March 2012 18:24, Richard Churchill-Coleman < richard.churchill-coleman@sky.com> wrote: > richard.churchill-coleman@sky.com> > > Ian > > I can't get onto the Club Website at the moment (or for the last 24 hours ) > - > do you happen to know if it is down for maintenance? > > Rgds > Richard C-C > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI > Sent: 04 March 2012 16:29 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made > > > Yes I have a copy of the Mod 13070 and it is available from me and on the > new web site. In LAA terms it will be a repeat Mod (=A322.50) at present but > I can probably get it made a standard mod (then FOC) if there is enough > interest. > > > Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours > Europa Club Mods Specialist > e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > >


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    Time: 12:15:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made
    From: Kevin Challis <kevinmarie@blueyonder.co.uk>
    I am interested Kevin Challis G ODJG On 4 Mar 2012, at 13:03, "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote: > > I am thinking of getting a batch of aluminum fuel filler pipes made for the classic to replace the rubber trunk. Frank Mycroft sent me a drawing and has had the mod approved ( it may be with Ian as well). > > a) does anyone else want one making, they would be cheaper in a batch > b) I can enquire locally but pointers as to where they could be made in the UK would be helpful (50mm x 1.5 pipe) > > Regards Graeme > > -------- > Graeme Bird > G-UMPY > Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP > Just competed conversion to type > G(at)gdbmk.co.uk > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367709#367709 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:15:51 PM PST US
    From: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: The New Europa Club website
    To All Europa Club members and friends The new Europa website is now released to you at www.theeuropaclub.org - I urge you all to take a look at what has been achieved on your behalf. Can I draw your attention to the 'Flight Briefing' pages, as we feel that they will prove to be of considerable practical value to those flying, and will allow you to replace Guernsey Aeroclub pages from your favourites. The site has been a long time coming and is still 'work in progress' but we hope that you will agree that it contains much practical information and advice on building, flying and owning your Europa. I must stress that this is your website and your contributions are essential to the development and success of the Club. We would like your views and would like to have Letters/emails/etc to put into the next EF due in the Summer. I must say a big thank you to all the committee for the hard work that has gone into this creation. I do not want single out anyone but it is truly amazing what efforts have gone into this production, and will continue in the months to come. Whilst it is true that it has a significant UK slant this is to be rectified by the input that we would like from you all outside of these shores. Pages can be created for any of the areas that the Europa is based so let Tim Houlihan have some copy asap. I said I would not single out anyone but special thanks go to Sam Fidler who has created the website for us and also ensured that the Committee receives the necessary training to take this forward. Steve Pitt Chairman, Europa Club G-SMDH Trigear XS 912S PS don't forget to renew your membership at the end of this month.


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    Time: 12:20:35 PM PST US
    From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Europa Club Website
    Richard Yes it is down, in fact for good. Steve Pitt will be putting out an e-mail in the next hour covering what has happened. This will direct you to the new site "theeuropaclub.org". You will find this has much of the old site and a lot more. What it will not have for a week or two is the ability to pay subs. Have a look, if you want more information e-mail me or call Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Churchill-Coleman Sent: 05 March 2012 18:24 Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club Website --> <richard.churchill-coleman@sky.com> Ian I can't get onto the Club Website at the moment (or for the last 24 hours) - do you happen to know if it is down for maintenance? Rgds Richard C-C -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI Sent: 04 March 2012 16:29 Subject: RE: Europa-List: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made Yes I have a copy of the Mod 13070 and it is available from me and on the new web site. In LAA terms it will be a repeat Mod (22.50) at present but I can probably get it made a standard mod (then FOC) if there is enough interest. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com


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    Time: 12:42:54 PM PST US
    From: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Old Club website
    As has been pointed out to us, the old Europa Club website has disappeared but by now you will have had a chance to look at the new website at www.theeuropaclub.org. The old website had been hosted by a long serving member for many years and we thank him for his support. Unfortunately the closure of his server happened slightly earlier than we had anticipated, hence the loss of the old site. However, we are working to resolve this issue within the next couple of days and eventually the new site will automatically connect you to the member services section as before. Please bear with us. We look forward to hearing your views on the new website. Steve Pitt Chairman, Europa Club


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    Time: 01:36:09 PM PST US
    From: RCC Sky Mail <richard.churchill-coleman@sky.com>
    Subject: Re: Old Club website
    Steve Just had a chance to take a first look. Hugely improved experience over the old site and far more content, both for builders and operators. I realise there is still work to do but well worth the membership fee! Rgds Richard C-C On 5 Mar 2012, at 20:42, "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > As has been pointed out to us, the old Europa Club website has disappeared but by now you will have had a chance to look at the new website at www.theeuropaclub.org. > > The old website had been hosted by a long serving member for many years and we thank him for his support. Unfortunately the closure of his server happened slightly earlier than we had anticipated, hence the loss of the old site. However, we are working to resolve this issue within the next couple of days and eventually the new site will automatically connect you to the member services section as before. Please bear with us. > > We look forward to hearing your views on the new website. > > Steve Pitt > Chairman, Europa Club > > > > > > >


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    Time: 02:47:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made
    From: Neville Eyre <neveyre@aol.co.uk>
    I started conversations with 3 potential manufactures a while back, confess I have let it slip, will look back into it this week and report back. Cheers, Nev. -----Original Message----- From: graeme bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> Sent: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:33 Subject: Europa-List: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made I am thinking of getting a batch of aluminum fuel filler pipes made for the lassic to replace the rubber trunk. Frank Mycroft sent me a drawing and has had he mod approved ( it may be with Ian as well). a) does anyone else want one making, they would be cheaper in a batch ) I can enquire locally but pointers as to where they could be made in the UK ould be helpful (50mm x 1.5 pipe) Regards Graeme -------- raeme Bird -UMPY ono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP ust competed conversion to type (at)gdbmk.co.uk ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367709#367709 -= - The Europa-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 02:55:10 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: brakes
    From: Neville Eyre <neveyre@aol.co.uk>
    Hi, If the Kit you have was supplied more than 3 years ago, you will have the c orrect master cylinder seals loose, with which to replace the original [ i nstalled] seals with.[KART M/C] This will let you use the red [ cherryade] aircraft brake fluid which the M atco calipers are set up to use. If the Kit is a very recent one, God alone knows which replacement seals yo u will have, same as if you request new seals now. You can use DOT 5 Silicone fluid with the master cylinders and Matco calipe rs as they are, but it is awful stuff to use and a disaster if it gets on a ny part of the structure. Cheers, Nev. -----Original Message----- From: Paul & Vanessa Munford <pmdental@btinternet.com> Sent: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 12:16 Subject: Europa-List: brakes Hi guys I have the latest Europa XS trigear (kit 625), which asks me to cha nge the seals in the brake cylinders to 'nitrile' (included in the kit), - what does this mean in terms of brake fluid? I have matco brake calipers. A ny suggestions for the best brake fluid for this combination would be very helpful. Thanx in advance. Paul Munford -= - The Europa-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 03:16:44 PM PST US
    From: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: Old Club website
    Steve, Great new website. Congratulations. Computer friendly, wealth of information and knowledge, and well presented. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz Ph 64 3 3515166 Mob 0210640221 On 6/03/2012, at 9:42 AM, "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > As has been pointed out to us, the old Europa Club website has disappeared but by now you will have had a chance to look at the new website at www.theeuropaclub.org. > > The old website had been hosted by a long serving member for many years and we thank him for his support. Unfortunately the closure of his server happened slightly earlier than we had anticipated, hence the loss of the old site. However, we are working to resolve this issue within the next couple of days and eventually the new site will automatically connect you to the member services section as before. Please bear with us. > > We look forward to hearing your views on the new website. > > Steve Pitt > Chairman, Europa Club > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:18:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Laminova heat exchanger and Evans coolant
    From: "kees de bussy" <keesdebussy@hotmail.com>
    Hi Frans and others, Maybe a little late but herewith what I experienced with Evans in my trigear XS with 912S and a regular setup. I flew my plane with Evans and was happy with the cooling performance. Until I got an coolant hose which ruptured just after take-off. The first thing I noticed was a little smoke entering the cockpit followed by a very bad smell (a little like burning plastic). So I was thinking at first it was fire. Pulling back the power made the smoke disappear. After landing I noticed the Evans dripping out of the cowling. This happened abroad and during the weekend (of course). We were lucky that there were a lot of very helpful people around (thank you again for all the help) so the replacement of the hose was not the biggest deal. But it was impossible to get Evans anywhere. So I filled it up with plain water to fly back home. Flying home I noticed that the engine (oil and water) was running approx. 10 degr. C cooler (less then 80 degr C in level flight) and that the temperature of the water was fluctuating significant more. (from a climb to level flight or with different powersettings). So from the cooling performance side I preferred the Evans, but from the practical side I preferred glycol/water mix. From the safety side I preferred glycol/water, I know now how bad Evans smells when it leaks on your exhaust and what kind of smoke it generates. I have not done research on this subject but it cannot be healthy (at least I think). I realize that glycol/water smells an smokes too, but not so bad as Evans. I use now a water/glycol mix with a max. temperature limit of 150 deg. C but I still have to make a cowl flap to control my temperatures. (at lower temperatures I use tape to make my cooling air intake approx. 75% smaller and run still at pretty low temps. The only times that (mainly water)temperatures go up pretty much is in warm weather and long or slow climbs. Regards, Kees de Bussy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367807#367807


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    Time: 03:50:58 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Old Club website
    From: EuropaForum <EuropaForum@comcast.net>
    SteveP, Very nice. New site is crisp and clean. Membership databases are so hard to move. Best of luck with the new look and feel. SteveD EuropaOwners


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    Time: 04:32:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: The New Europa Club website
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Steve & Ian, Worked over the new site. Pretty darn spiffy. Good work guys. As for membership renewal, it's supposed to be automatic. If there's a glitch in that, let me know. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Mar 5, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Steven Pitt wrote: To All Europa Club members and friends The new Europa website is now released to you at www.theeuropaclub.org - I urge you all to take a look at what has been achieved on your behalf. Can I draw your attention to the 'Flight Briefing' pages, as we feel that they will prove to be of considerable practical value to those flying, and will allow you to replace Guernsey Aeroclub pages from your favourites. The site has been a long time coming and is still =91work in progress=92 but we hope that you will agree that it contains much practical information and advice on building, flying and owning your Europa. I must stress that this is your website and your contributions are essential to the development and success of the Club. We would like your views and would like to have Letters/emails/etc to put into the next EF due in the Summer. I must say a big thank you to all the committee for the hard work that has gone into this creation. I do not want single out anyone but it is truly amazing what efforts have gone into this production, and will continue in the months to come. Whilst it is true that it has a significant UK slant this is to be rectified by the input that we would like from you all outside of these shores. Pages can be created for any of the areas that the Europa is based so let Tim Houlihan have some copy asap. I said I would not single out anyone but special thanks go to Sam Fidler who has created the website for us and also ensured that the Committee receives the necessary training to take this forward. Steve Pitt Chairman, Europa Club G-SMDH Trigear XS 912S PS don=92t forget to renew your membership at the end of this month.


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    Time: 11:23:57 PM PST US
    From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
    Subject: The New Europa Club website
    Congratulations - very nice! One question to the Europa Club: The Europa Fly-In at Popham is not mentioned under "Upcoming Events". Is it still scheduled for 23rd & 24th June? Regards Svein LN-SKJ




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