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1. 07:35 AM - Re: Rotax 912is / 912iSc (Bud Yerly)
2. 02:24 PM - Re: Rotax 912is / 912iSc (Ivan Midwing)
3. 02:36 PM - Re: Rotax 912is / 912iSc (Nigel Graham)
4. 07:49 PM - Wing Gap Seal (AirEupora)
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 912is / 912iSc |
Fellow Rotax owners:
Having worked with Jason Parker on the SDS setup, I am not surprised by
the requirements, electrical, fuel and air will change.
Eric's wedding takes precedence over the review of the new manuals for
this week.
Concerns I have, like you:
ECU will be proprietary you can bet. Dealer only settings etc.
Rotax will have a special class on it you for sure.
Plumbing will be tight with two pumps and revised air intake.
I had hopes they would use an engine driven pump but if it needs dual
alternators, one can bet it is dual electric pumps.
Are the pumps in the fuselage only, and now must we contend with 40
psi fuel in the fuselage. Quite the hazard.
Are the pumps designed to be in the engine compartment. which is
safer in a crash if proper fuel shutoffs are included.
This would allow a retrofit to any kit without changing normal Rotax
plumbing.
Rotax is not keen on making things retrofitable, so I doubt any of
us current owners will benefit. I hope I am wrong.
I know that putting the Jason Parker setup with turbo fuel injection
didn't warrant the cost as it would be years to get payback,
so learn to service the carbs was my opinion.
Many more questions abound, but I will patiently wait for a proper
manuals and documentation review.
Damn, just as I really got proficient with the dual bings and could make
them sing, another thing to go wrong and have to learn how to fix.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
www.customflightcreations.com<http://www.customflightcreations.com/>
(813) 653-4989
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From: rampil<mailto:ira.rampil@gmail.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:00 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 912is / 912iSc
<ira.rampil@gmail.com<mailto:ira.rampil@gmail.com>>
Better than the press release, the Install, Operators, and Light Maint
Manuals are up on the ROAN site.
>From a quick perusal:
Looks like it will fit under the Europa hood with the new steel air
box
sitting on top of the engine.
No description of the new engine/panel instrumentation based on the
CANbus interface to the ECU.
ECU requires a dongle for service - Is this a dealer only device?
Two alternators built-in to the engine now with automatic rollover for
failure on one to keep the dual fuel pumps turning.
Manuals have altitude power performance chart now, but not fuel
consumption with altitude. From claim about 10% improvement in
consumption, I'll bet the EFI reduces richness at altitude better than
the
Bing 64s
No word yet on update kit to existing 912s
Looks like something to check out at SnF later this month
--------
Ira N224XS
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 912is / 912iSc |
Why not Go all the way and check out the UL-Power engine instead?
Bet the spare parts are very reasonable if compared...
That will be my future choice!
Cheers!
Ivan Midwing
9 mar 2012 kl. 16:34 skrev "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com>:
> Fellow Rotax owners:
> Having worked with Jason Parker on the SDS setup, I am not surprised by th
e requirements, electrical, fuel and air will change.
> Eric's wedding takes precedence over the review of the new manuals for thi
s week.
>
> Concerns I have, like you:
> ECU will be proprietary you can bet. Dealer only settings etc.
> Rotax will have a special class on it you for sure.
> Plumbing will be tight with two pumps and revised air intake.
> I had hopes they would use an engine driven pump but if it needs dual alte
rnators, one can bet it is dual electric pumps.
> Are the pumps in the fuselage only, and now must we contend with 40 ps
i fuel in the fuselage. Quite the hazard.
> Are the pumps designed to be in the engine compartment. which is safer
in a crash if proper fuel shutoffs are included.
> This would allow a retrofit to any kit without changing normal Rotax p
lumbing.
> Rotax is not keen on making things retrofitable, so I doubt any of us c
urrent owners will benefit. I hope I am wrong.
> I know that putting the Jason Parker setup with turbo fuel injection d
idn't warrant the cost as it would be years to get payback,
> so learn to service the carbs was my opinion.
>
> Many more questions abound, but I will patiently wait for a proper manuals
and documentation review.
>
> Damn, just as I really got proficient with the dual bings and could make t
hem sing, another thing to go wrong and have to learn how to fix.
>
> Regards,
> Bud Yerly
> Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
> www.customflightcreations.com
> (813) 653-4989
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rampil
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:00 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 912is / 912iSc
>
>
> Better than the press release, the Install, Operators, and Light Maint Man
uals are up on the ROAN site.
>
> >=46rom a quick perusal:
>
> Looks like it will fit under the Europa hood with the new steel air box
> sitting on top of the engine.
>
> No description of the new engine/panel instrumentation based on the CANbus
interface to the ECU.
>
> ECU requires a dongle for service - Is this a dealer only device?
>
> Two alternators built-in to the engine now with automatic rollover for fai
lure on one to keep the dual fuel pumps turning.
>
> Manuals have altitude power performance chart now, but not fuel
> consumption with altitude. =46rom claim about 10% improvement in consumpti
on, I'll bet the EFI reduces richness at altitude better than the
> Bing 64s
>
> No word yet on update kit to existing 912s
>
>
> Looks like something to check out at SnF later this month
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
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Subject: | Re: Rotax 912is / 912iSc |
Here you go guys, If you haven't already seen it, here is a nice
animation of the new 912iS.
It does use twin electric pumps housed in a neat stainless box
within the engine compartment.
Nigel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azXdDXWpZ_I [1] BODY {
font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }
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Re: Europa-List: Rotax 912is / 912iSc
On 09/03/2012 15:34, Bud Yerly wrote: Fellow Rotax owners: Having
worked with Jason Parker on the SDS setup, I am not surprised by the
requirements, electrical, fuel and air will change. Eric's wedding
takes precedence over the review of the new manuals for this week.
Concerns I have, like you: ECU will be proprietary you can bet.
Dealer only settings etc. Rotax will have a special class on it you
for sure. Plumbing will be tight with two pumps and revised air
intake. I had hopes they would use an engine driven pump but if it
needs dual alternators, one can bet it is dual electric pumps.
Are the pumps in the fuselage only, and now must we contend with 40
psi fuel in the fuselage. Quite the hazard. Are the pumps
designed to be in the engine compartment. which is safer in a crash
if proper fuel shutoffs are included. This would allow a retrofit
to any kit without changing normal Rotax plumbing. Rotax is not
keen on making things retrofitable, so I doubt any of us current
owners will benefit. I hope I am wrong. I know that putting the
Jason Parker setup with turbo fuel injection didn't warrant the cost
as it would be years to get payback, so learn to service the
carbs was my opinion. Many more questions abound, but I will
patiently wait for a proper manuals and documentation review. Damn,
just as I really got proficient with the dual bings and could make
them sing, another thing to go wrong and have to learn how to fix.
Regards, Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
www.customflightcreations.com
(813) 653-4989 ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- FROM: rampil TO:
europa-list@matronics.com SENT: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:00 PM
SUBJECT: Europa-List: Rotax 912is / 912iSc
Better than the press release, the Install, Operators, and Light
Maint Manuals are up on the ROAN site.
>From a quick perusal:
Looks like it will fit under the Europa hood with the new steel air
box
sitting on top of the engine.
No description of the new engine/panel instrumentation based on the
CANbus interface to the ECU.
ECU requires a dongle for service - Is this a dealer only device?
Two alternators built-in to the engine now with automatic rollover
for failure on one to keep the dual fuel pumps turning.
Manuals have altitude power performance chart now, but not fuel
consumption with altitude. From claim about 10% improvement in
consumption, I'll bet the EFI reduces richness at altitude better
than the
Bing 64s
No word yet on update kit to existing 912s
Looks like something to check out at SnF later this month
--------
Ira N224XS
Links:
------
[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azXdDXWpZ_I
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a couple of months ago, someone put out a message regrading using a seal from Home
depot. I have tried using the Search engine, but to no avail.
Anybody remember the message or the part number. I'm at the last stages of getting
my plane on the Scales. hopefully, I can get the FAA out to the hangar
in the next month.
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