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3. 02:27 PM - Re: Rotax 912is / 912iSc (Nigel Graham)
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912is / 912iSc |
What is the relationship of BRP to Bombardier?
Garry Stout
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Nigel Graham <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk> wrote
:
> Here you go guys, If you haven't already seen it, here is a nice animation
of the new 912iS.
>
> It does use twin electric pumps housed in a neat stainless box within the e
ngine compartment.
>
> Nigel
>
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azXdDXWpZ_I
> europa-list@matronics.com
> Re: Europa-List: Rotax 912is / 912iSc
>
> On 09/03/2012 15:34, Bud Yerly wrote:
>
>> Fellow Rotax owners:
>> Having worked with Jason Parker on the SDS setup, I am not surprised by t
he requirements, electrical, fuel and air will change.
>> Eric's wedding takes precedence over the review of the new manuals for th
is week.
>>
>> Concerns I have, like you:
>> ECU will be proprietary you can bet. Dealer only settings etc.
>> Rotax will have a special class on it you for sure.
>> Plumbing will be tight with two pumps and revised air intake.
>> I had hopes they would use an engine driven pump but if it needs dual alt
ernators, one can bet it is dual electric pumps.
>> Are the pumps in the fuselage only, and now must we contend with 40 p
si fuel in the fuselage. Quite the hazard.
>> Are the pumps designed to be in the engine compartment. which is safe
r in a crash if proper fuel shutoffs are included.
>> This would allow a retrofit to any kit without changing normal Rotax p
lumbing.
>> Rotax is not keen on making things retrofitable, so I doubt any of us
current owners will benefit. I hope I am wrong.
>> I know that putting the Jason Parker setup with turbo fuel injection d
idn't warrant the cost as it would be years to get payback,
>> so learn to service the carbs was my opinion.
>>
>> Many more questions abound, but I will patiently wait for a proper manual
s and documentation review.
>>
>> Damn, just as I really got proficient with the dual bings and could make t
hem sing, another thing to go wrong and have to learn how to fix.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bud Yerly
>> Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
>> www.customflightcreations.com
>> (813) 653-4989
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: rampil
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:00 PM
>> Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 912is / 912iSc
>>
>>
>> Better than the press release, the Install, Operators, and Light Maint Ma
nuals are up on the ROAN site.
>>
>> >=46rom a quick perusal:
>>
>> Looks like it will fit under the Europa hood with the new steel air box
>> sitting on top of the engine.
>>
>> No description of the new engine/panel instrumentation based on the CANbu
s interface to the ECU.
>>
>> ECU requires a dongle for service - Is this a dealer only device?
>>
>> Two alternators built-in to the engine now with automatic rollover for fa
ilure on one to keep the dual fuel pumps turning.
>>
>> Manuals have altitude power performance chart now, but not fuel
>> consumption with altitude. =46rom claim about 10% improvement in consumpt
ion, I'll bet the EFI reduces richness at altitude better than the
>> Bing 64s
>>
>> No word yet on update kit to existing 912s
>>
>>
>> Looks like something to check out at SnF later this month
>>
>> --------
>> Ira N224XS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912is / 912iSc |
What is the relationship of BRP to Bombardier?
Garry Stout
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Nigel Graham <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk> wrote
:
> Here you go guys, If you haven't already seen it, here is a nice animation
of the new 912iS.
>
> It does use twin electric pumps housed in a neat stainless box within the e
ngine compartment.
>
> Nigel
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azXdDXWpZ_I
> europa-list@matronics.com
> Re: Europa-List: Rotax 912is / 912iSc
>
> On 09/03/2012 15:34, Bud Yerly wrote:
>
>> Fellow Rotax owners:
>> Having worked with Jason Parker on the SDS setup, I am not surprised by t
he requirements, electrical, fuel and air will change.
>> Eric's wedding takes precedence over the review of the new manuals for th
is week.
>>
>> Concerns I have, like you:
>> ECU will be proprietary you can bet. Dealer only settings etc.
>> Rotax will have a special class on it you for sure.
>> Plumbing will be tight with two pumps and revised air intake.
>> I had hopes they would use an engine driven pump but if it needs dual alt
ernators, one can bet it is dual electric pumps.
>> Are the pumps in the fuselage only, and now must we contend with 40 p
si fuel in the fuselage. Quite the hazard.
>> Are the pumps designed to be in the engine compartment. which is safe
r in a crash if proper fuel shutoffs are included.
>> This would allow a retrofit to any kit without changing normal Rotax p
lumbing.
>> Rotax is not keen on making things retrofitable, so I doubt any of us
current owners will benefit. I hope I am wrong.
>> I know that putting the Jason Parker setup with turbo fuel injection d
idn't warrant the cost as it would be years to get payback,
>> so learn to service the carbs was my opinion.
>>
>> Many more questions abound, but I will patiently wait for a proper manual
s and documentation review.
>>
>> Damn, just as I really got proficient with the dual bings and could make t
hem sing, another thing to go wrong and have to learn how to fix.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bud Yerly
>> Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
>> www.customflightcreations.com
>> (813) 653-4989
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: rampil
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:00 PM
>> Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 912is / 912iSc
>>
>>
>> Better than the press release, the Install, Operators, and Light Maint Ma
nuals are up on the ROAN site.
>>
>> >=46rom a quick perusal:
>>
>> Looks like it will fit under the Europa hood with the new steel air box
>> sitting on top of the engine.
>>
>> No description of the new engine/panel instrumentation based on the CANbu
s interface to the ECU.
>>
>> ECU requires a dongle for service - Is this a dealer only device?
>>
>> Two alternators built-in to the engine now with automatic rollover for fa
ilure on one to keep the dual fuel pumps turning.
>>
>> Manuals have altitude power performance chart now, but not fuel
>> consumption with altitude. =46rom claim about 10% improvement in consumpt
ion, I'll bet the EFI reduces richness at altitude better than the
>> Bing 64s
>>
>> No word yet on update kit to existing 912s
>>
>>
>> Looks like something to check out at SnF later this month
>>
>> --------
>> Ira N224XS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912is / 912iSc |
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Bombardier Recreational Products (BRP) produce things like Seadoo's
Skidoos etc, the powertrain division produces engines for a range of
other manufacturers, including BMW and Aprilia motorcycles plus the
aircraft engines that we use.
Nigel
On 10/03/2012 13:35, Garry Stout wrote: What is the relationship
of BRP to Bombardier?
Garry Stout
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Nigel Graham wrote:
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