---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/10/12: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:36 AM - Re: Rotax 912is / 912iSc (Garry Stout) 2. 05:36 AM - Re: Rotax 912is / 912iSc (Garry Stout) 3. 02:27 PM - Re: Rotax 912is / 912iSc (Nigel Graham) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:51 AM PST US From: Garry Stout Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 912is / 912iSc What is the relationship of BRP to Bombardier? Garry Stout Sent from my iPad On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Nigel Graham wrote : > Here you go guys, If you haven't already seen it, here is a nice animation of the new 912iS. > > It does use twin electric pumps housed in a neat stainless box within the e ngine compartment. > > Nigel > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azXdDXWpZ_I > europa-list@matronics.com > Re: Europa-List: Rotax 912is / 912iSc > > On 09/03/2012 15:34, Bud Yerly wrote: > >> Fellow Rotax owners: >> Having worked with Jason Parker on the SDS setup, I am not surprised by t he requirements, electrical, fuel and air will change. >> Eric's wedding takes precedence over the review of the new manuals for th is week. >> >> Concerns I have, like you: >> ECU will be proprietary you can bet. Dealer only settings etc. >> Rotax will have a special class on it you for sure. >> Plumbing will be tight with two pumps and revised air intake. >> I had hopes they would use an engine driven pump but if it needs dual alt ernators, one can bet it is dual electric pumps. >> Are the pumps in the fuselage only, and now must we contend with 40 p si fuel in the fuselage. Quite the hazard. >> Are the pumps designed to be in the engine compartment. which is safe r in a crash if proper fuel shutoffs are included. >> This would allow a retrofit to any kit without changing normal Rotax p lumbing. >> Rotax is not keen on making things retrofitable, so I doubt any of us current owners will benefit. I hope I am wrong. >> I know that putting the Jason Parker setup with turbo fuel injection d idn't warrant the cost as it would be years to get payback, >> so learn to service the carbs was my opinion. >> >> Many more questions abound, but I will patiently wait for a proper manual s and documentation review. >> >> Damn, just as I really got proficient with the dual bings and could make t hem sing, another thing to go wrong and have to learn how to fix. >> >> Regards, >> Bud Yerly >> Custom Flight Creations, Inc. >> www.customflightcreations.com >> (813) 653-4989 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: rampil >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:00 PM >> Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 912is / 912iSc >> >> >> Better than the press release, the Install, Operators, and Light Maint Ma nuals are up on the ROAN site. >> >> >=46rom a quick perusal: >> >> Looks like it will fit under the Europa hood with the new steel air box >> sitting on top of the engine. >> >> No description of the new engine/panel instrumentation based on the CANbu s interface to the ECU. >> >> ECU requires a dongle for service - Is this a dealer only device? >> >> Two alternators built-in to the engine now with automatic rollover for fa ilure on one to keep the dual fuel pumps turning. >> >> Manuals have altitude power performance chart now, but not fuel >> consumption with altitude. =46rom claim about 10% improvement in consumpt ion, I'll bet the EFI reduces richness at altitude better than the >> Bing 64s >> >> No word yet on update kit to existing 912s >> >> >> Looks like something to check out at SnF later this month >> >> -------- >> Ira N224XS >> >> >> >> >> > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:51 AM PST US From: Garry Stout Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 912is / 912iSc What is the relationship of BRP to Bombardier? Garry Stout Sent from my iPad On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Nigel Graham wrote : > Here you go guys, If you haven't already seen it, here is a nice animation of the new 912iS. > > It does use twin electric pumps housed in a neat stainless box within the e ngine compartment. > > Nigel > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azXdDXWpZ_I > europa-list@matronics.com > Re: Europa-List: Rotax 912is / 912iSc > > On 09/03/2012 15:34, Bud Yerly wrote: > >> Fellow Rotax owners: >> Having worked with Jason Parker on the SDS setup, I am not surprised by t he requirements, electrical, fuel and air will change. >> Eric's wedding takes precedence over the review of the new manuals for th is week. >> >> Concerns I have, like you: >> ECU will be proprietary you can bet. Dealer only settings etc. >> Rotax will have a special class on it you for sure. >> Plumbing will be tight with two pumps and revised air intake. >> I had hopes they would use an engine driven pump but if it needs dual alt ernators, one can bet it is dual electric pumps. >> Are the pumps in the fuselage only, and now must we contend with 40 p si fuel in the fuselage. Quite the hazard. >> Are the pumps designed to be in the engine compartment. which is safe r in a crash if proper fuel shutoffs are included. >> This would allow a retrofit to any kit without changing normal Rotax p lumbing. >> Rotax is not keen on making things retrofitable, so I doubt any of us current owners will benefit. I hope I am wrong. >> I know that putting the Jason Parker setup with turbo fuel injection d idn't warrant the cost as it would be years to get payback, >> so learn to service the carbs was my opinion. >> >> Many more questions abound, but I will patiently wait for a proper manual s and documentation review. >> >> Damn, just as I really got proficient with the dual bings and could make t hem sing, another thing to go wrong and have to learn how to fix. >> >> Regards, >> Bud Yerly >> Custom Flight Creations, Inc. >> www.customflightcreations.com >> (813) 653-4989 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: rampil >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:00 PM >> Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 912is / 912iSc >> >> >> Better than the press release, the Install, Operators, and Light Maint Ma nuals are up on the ROAN site. >> >> >=46rom a quick perusal: >> >> Looks like it will fit under the Europa hood with the new steel air box >> sitting on top of the engine. >> >> No description of the new engine/panel instrumentation based on the CANbu s interface to the ECU. >> >> ECU requires a dongle for service - Is this a dealer only device? >> >> Two alternators built-in to the engine now with automatic rollover for fa ilure on one to keep the dual fuel pumps turning. >> >> Manuals have altitude power performance chart now, but not fuel >> consumption with altitude. =46rom claim about 10% improvement in consumpt ion, I'll bet the EFI reduces richness at altitude better than the >> Bing 64s >> >> No word yet on update kit to existing 912s >> >> >> Looks like something to check out at SnF later this month >> >> -------- >> Ira N224XS >> >> >> >> >> > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 912is / 912iSc From: Nigel Graham BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Bombardier Recreational Products (BRP) produce things like Seadoo's Skidoos etc, the powertrain division produces engines for a range of other manufacturers, including BMW and Aprilia motorcycles plus the aircraft engines that we use. Nigel On 10/03/2012 13:35, Garry Stout wrote: What is the relationship of BRP to Bombardier? Garry Stout Sent from my iPad On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Nigel Graham wrote: Links: ------ [1] mailto:nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.