---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/25/12: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:20 AM - Re: TS05 retention query (Steven Pitt) 2. 12:54 AM - Re: XS mono kit stolen (flyingphil2) 3. 01:26 AM - Re: TS05 retention query (craig) 4. 01:31 AM - Re: TS05 retention query (G-IANI) 5. 01:48 AM - Re: TS05 retention query (roddyeuropa@aol.com) 6. 02:17 AM - Re: TS05 retention query (Frans Veldman) 7. 03:09 PM - Re: TS05 retention query (Fred Klein) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:17 AM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: TS05 retention query Rowland - I tried to take some pictures this morning but could not get the right resolution to help with your enquiry. However, I checked my aircraft and can see that I cut a piece of plywood (possibly about a foot long) and fibregalssed it onto the inside of the tail on either side of the vertical surfaces, forward of and level with the top of the trimtube slots. I then cut a 'u' shape slot between them to allow the trim tube to move up and down but restricted the side to side movement. This version means that the side slots remain open but also means that the TS05 is not altered which might lead to jamming if the discs were to move. I hope this helps. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rowland Carson" Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 10:33 PM Subject: Europa-List: TS05 retention query > > > I seem to recall that someone on this forum mentioned adding small > lightweight discs near the ends of the TS05 cross-piece, inside the > fuselage. This had the dual effect of keeping the TS05 from moving > sideways while rigging and de-rigging (reinforcing that provided by the > ply pieces called out in the manual) and also improving the cosmetic > appearance of the slot in which TS05 operates. > > I've searched the back postings using various keywords that I thought > likely but can't turn up what I'm looking for. > > Would the original poster (or someone who remembers the posting) please > help me find it? Date of the post, who made it, or a copy of the original > would all be very acceptable. > > in friendship > > Rowland > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:59 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: XS mono kit stolen From: "flyingphil2" Hi Fred, This is Dean Wiegland's kit for sale on Barnstormers and it's been for sale for at least 2 years to my knowledge. Not sure why he can't sell it as photos show it to be ok but of course shipping (outside the US especially) is the killer. Also, on the basis that you can't really trust the shipping people not to break it, you'd have to go and fetch it yourself. Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369322#369322 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:22 AM PST US From: "craig" Subject: RE: Europa-List: TS05 retention query I believe the factory jumped in on this one a few years ago, and warned against such A mod, I believe they were concerned with icing etc jamming up the trim system, and thus Compromising the flight performance. I may be wrong however Regards craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:34 AM Subject: Europa-List: TS05 retention query I seem to recall that someone on this forum mentioned adding small lightweight discs near the ends of the TS05 cross-piece, inside the fuselage. This had the dual effect of keeping the TS05 from moving sideways while rigging and de-rigging (reinforcing that provided by the ply pieces called out in the manual) and also improving the cosmetic appearance of the slot in which TS05 operates. I've searched the back postings using various keywords that I thought likely but can't turn up what I'm looking for. Would the original poster (or someone who remembers the posting) please help me find it? Date of the post, who made it, or a copy of the original would all be very acceptable. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:25 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: TS05 retention query Roland I remember the posting but have no record of it I did the attached drawing for someone who, in effect, asked the same question. I will get it into the web site soon Ian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson Sent: 24 March 2012 21:34 Subject: Europa-List: TS05 retention query --> I seem to recall that someone on this forum mentioned adding small lightweight discs near the ends of the TS05 cross-piece, inside the fuselage. This had the dual effect of keeping the TS05 from moving sideways while rigging and de-rigging (reinforcing that provided by the ply pieces called out in the manual) and also improving the cosmetic appearance of the slot in which TS05 operates. I've searched the back postings using various keywords that I thought likely but can't turn up what I'm looking for. Would the original poster (or someone who remembers the posting) please help me find it? Date of the post, who made it, or a copy of the original would all be very acceptable. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:48:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: TS05 retention query From: roddyeuropa@aol.com to add, this is not an area of rigging which (in my experience) I have ever had any problems,including rigging single handed. Technique I use is to fu lly put on one tailplane, (starbord), attach the ts05 to lug on that side, then put on the port tailplane to within about 1/4 inch of fully in, put t he ts05 tube half into the lug on the port side, so the tube is now half i n the lugs on both sides, and then push the port tailplane fully home. Roddy Kesterton G-KRK -----Original Message----- From: craig Sent: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 9:26 Subject: RE: Europa-List: TS05 retention query I believe the factory jumped in on this one a few years ago, and warned against such A mod, I believe they were concerned with icing etc jamming up the trim system, and thus Compromising the flight performance. I may be wrong however Regards craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:34 AM Subject: Europa-List: TS05 retention query I seem to recall that someone on this forum mentioned adding small lightweight discs near the ends of the TS05 cross-piece, inside the fuselage. This had the dual effect of keeping the TS05 from moving sideways while rigging and de-rigging (reinforcing that provided by the ply pieces called out in the manual) and also improving the cosmetic appearance of the slot in which TS05 operates. I've searched the back postings using various keywords that I thought likel y but can't turn up what I'm looking for. Would the original poster (or someone who remembers the posting) please hel p me find it? Date of the post, who made it, or a copy of the original would all be very acceptable. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:06 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: TS05 retention query On 03/25/2012 10:47 AM, roddyeuropa@aol.com wrote: > to add, this is not an area of rigging which (in my experience) I have > ever had any problems,including rigging single handed. Technique I use > is to fully put on one tailplane, (starbord), attach the ts05 to lug on > that side, then put on the port tailplane to within about 1/4 inch of > fully in, put the ts05 tube half into the lug on the port side, so the > tube is now half in the lugs on both sides, and then push the port > tailplane fully home. I rig and derig the airplane for every flight and I follow the very same procedure as described by Roddy. It is no problem at all. I always rig the tailplanes without any help (my wife has another task during that stage of rigging). I can't imagine how changes to the TS05 guidance could make the procedure easier: you still have to guide the TS05 to the lug. And the sideways play of the TS05 actually helps as you can now separate inserting the TS05 from aligning the tailplane on the torque tube. If the TS05 could not move sideways you have to aligh everything at the same moment which would make it much more complicated. Furthermore my feeling is that this is a "no-mess" area. Anything put there might break loose and jam the tailplane and trim, which I'm sure is no fun flying. What isn't there can't break loose. Just keep it simple here. Frans ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:25 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: TS05 retention query On Mar 24, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Rowland Carson wrote: > I seem to recall that someone on this forum mentioned adding small > lightweight discs near the ends of the TS05 cross-piece, inside the > fuselage. Rowland...I may have been the culprit...but in due course I abandoned the notion in order NOT to add a potential glitch to pitch control. I ended up building a little foam box with a screened slot which centers TS05 and (hopefully) keeps the birds and insects from venturing into the tailcone...here are a couple of pixs: Best, Fred ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.