---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/29/12: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:30 AM - Re: XS mono kit stolen (Dave Disney) 2. 12:04 PM - Singleton Tailwheel (Europaul383) 3. 12:08 PM - Pitot, Static and AoA (Europaul383) 4. 02:03 PM - Re: Singleton Tailwheel (david park) 5. 03:28 PM - Re: Singleton Tailwheel (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 6. 03:45 PM - Re: Singleton Tailwheel (Fred Klein) 7. 03:48 PM - Re: Singleton Tailwheel (G-IANI) 8. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: Pitot Static (Bud Yerly) 9. 06:40 PM - Re: Pitot, Static and AoA (Bud Yerly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:30:54 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: XS mono kit stolen From: "Dave Disney" Thanks Phil, I've contacted Dean to find out more. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369516#369516 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:43 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Singleton Tailwheel From: "Europaul383" I have searched the Forum but cannot find the answer to this... maybe Graham Singleton is listening and can shed some light...? I have the Singleton tailwheel kit, bought some years ago from Graham. It came with a new tailwheel horn and instructions to saw off the old steering arms from the tailwheel arm. The replacement tailwheel horn is 4 between cable attach hole centres, but I also have a drawing (attached) for a similar horn, with 5 between centres ... confusingly I have annotated this with an amendment of 6...??? So - is it 4" between centres as supplied; 5" as per the drawing; or 6"? Any answers gratefully received... Paul XS Mono 383 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369555#369555 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailwheel_horn_183.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:57 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Pitot, Static and AoA From: "Europaul383" Hi Bud (or anyone else who has an answer), I was looking for info on the Dynon AoA and read your post about George Reed fitting this AoA. I was thinking of installing one (to display on a Skyview), but their probe has just 2 holes - pitot and AoA - so I'd then have to find another source for the static air - can you recall what George Reed did for static? Thanks in advance. Paul XS Mono 383 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369556#369556 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Singleton Tailwheel From: david park My singleton tailwheel horn is 4in from memory. G- LDVO Sent from my iPhone On 29 Mar 2012, at 20:10, "Europaul383" wrote: > > I have searched the Forum but cannot find the answer to this... maybe Graham Singleton is listening and can shed some light...? > > I have the Singleton tailwheel kit, bought some years ago from Graham. It came with a new tailwheel horn and instructions to saw off the old steering arms from the tailwheel arm. > > The replacement tailwheel horn is 4 between cable attach hole centres, but I also have a drawing (attached) for a similar horn, with 5 between centres ... confusingly I have annotated this with an amendment of 6...??? > > So - is it 4" between centres as supplied; 5" as per the drawing; or 6"? > > Any answers gratefully received... > > Paul > > XS Mono 383 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369555#369555 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailwheel_horn_183.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:08 PM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Singleton Tailwheel Just to set the record straight,=0Athe dimension was originally 4" which wo rked fine on the=C2-Europa=C2-Classic I flew for years but=C2-subsequ ent=C2-experience with other Europa monowheel aircraft=0Aindicated that n ot all Europas are the same and more authority for the tail wheel would hel p to improve yaw control on the ground.=C2-=0ABoth 5" and 6" horns have b een used with success although 6" does increase the turning circle somewhat .=C2-=0AI agree that 4" is probably too small and recommend 5"=0AGraham S ingleton =C2-=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: david par k =0ATo: "europa-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Thursday, 29 March 2012, 22:01=0ASubject: Re: Europa ark =0A=0AMy singleton tailwheel horn is 4in from m emory. G- LDVO=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0A=0AOn 29 Mar 2012, at 20:10, " Europaul383" wrote:=0A=0A> --> Europa-List messag e posted by: "Europaul383" =0A> =0A> I have search ed the Forum but cannot find the answer to this... maybe Graham Singleton i s listening and can shed some light...?=0A> =0A> I have the Singleton tailw heel kit, bought some years ago from Graham. It came with a new tailwheel h orn and instructions to saw off the old steering arms from the tailwheel ar m.=0A> =0A> The replacement tailwheel horn is 4=C3=A2=82=AC between cabl e attach hole centres, but I also have a drawing (attached) for a similar h orn, with 5=C3=A2=82=AC between centres ... confusingly I have annotated this with an amendment of 6=C3=A2=82=AC...???=0A> =0A> So - is it 4" be tween centres as supplied; 5" as per the drawing; or 6"?=0A> =0A> Any answe rs gratefully received...=0A> =0A> Paul=0A> =0A> XS Mono 383=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com /viewtopic.php?p=369555#369555=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Attachments: =0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailwheel_horn_183.jpg=0A> =0A> =0A - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- - ============= ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:25 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Singleton Tailwheel On Mar 29, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Europaul383 wrote: > The replacement tailwheel horn is 4=94 between cable attach hole > centres, but I also have a drawing (attached) for a similar horn, > with 5=94 between centres ... confusingly I have annotated this with > an amendment of 6=94...??? > > So - is it 4" between centres as supplied; 5" as per the drawing; or > 6"? Paul, In a conversation with William Mills at Sun N Fun some years ago, he left me w/ several bits of advice...one of which was to make a rudder horn which provides for 4", 5", and 6" between centers...doing initial flight tests at the 6" spread and reducing the spread as the comfort zone expands. I made mine from .125" 4130 steel. Fred ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:36 PM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Singleton Tailwheel Paul The Mod as sold by Graham has been replaced by Factory Mod 77. You will find documentation for Mod 77 on the new Club web site. The dimension between the holes on the CS34 is now 5 inches. I believe that the 4 inch version was found to be unsatisfactory and both 5 and 6 inch versions tried. The 5 inch has become the standard. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:46 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Pitot Static Paul, I always put the standard pitot / static on my aircraft. It hooks to the normal A/S and Altimeter. The Dynon probe is added to the other wing normally and feeds the Dynon pitot/aoa. I make a 5 inch access hole and build in a flange then mount the probe and its Gretz mount to the wing about 10 inches back from the leading edge as that is what Dynon recommends I believe for its AOA function. Should icing be a consideration, I mount a cockpit static valve to use the cockpit air which is accurate to about 2 knots and 50 feet at all speeds and altitudes to 10,000 ft. Do not mount the Dynon where the standard pitot is. Regards, Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Europaul383 To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:47 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Pitot Static > Hi Bud (or anyone else who has an answer), I read your post while looking for info on the Dynon AoA. I was thinking of installing this AoA, but their probe has just 2 holes - pitot and AoA - I'd then have to find another source for the static air - can you recall what George Reed did for static? Thanks in advance. Paul XS Mono 383 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369480#369480 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:46 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Pitot, Static and AoA See previous post. ----- Original Message ----- From: Europaul383 To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 3:08 PM Subject: Europa-List: Pitot, Static and AoA > Hi Bud (or anyone else who has an answer), I was looking for info on the Dynon AoA and read your post about George Reed fitting this AoA. I was thinking of installing one (to display on a Skyview), but their probe has just 2 holes - pitot and AoA - so I'd then have to find another source for the static air - can you recall what George Reed did for static? Thanks in advance. 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