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1. 12:49 AM - Re: Friedrichshafen (Bob Harrison)
2. 03:14 AM - Re: trailer technical drawings (p-a.austin)
3. 03:31 AM - FW: Friedrichshafen also a "rider" following......! (Bob Harrison)
4. 08:49 AM - fuel vents lines (Max Cointe)
5. 09:27 AM - Re: fuel vents lines (Robert Borger)
6. 10:40 AM - Re: fuel vents lines (Bob Harrison)
7. 10:59 AM - Re: fuel vents lines (G-IANI)
8. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: trailer technical drawings (Robert Hatton)
9. 04:17 PM - Re: fuel vents lines (craig)
10. 04:35 PM - Re: Friedrichshafen also a "rider" following......! (John Wighton)
11. 05:56 PM - Re: fuel vents lines (Bud Yerly)
12. 06:42 PM - Re: landing gear frame geometry (Bud Yerly)
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Well done guys. I was up doing weather from 04.30 Thursday and there was no
way you would have flown from the North East to the South coast except in
life risking conditions. I had the tail end of a urinary infection after an
endoscopy 10 days earlier (Good news though .....first "inspection"
indicates the bladder cancer gone although it can never be trusted as
experienced with Jan, so watch this space! Then I had a major problem with
my winch cable meaning I wouldn't be able to re-box the plane on return so I
felt that there were far too many things telling me not to even try. I
really did want to attend the show ...I hope we will be getting full reports
from those who did attend?
Best regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PITT STEVEN
Sent: 20 April 2012 22:46
Subject: Europa-List: Friedrichshafen
Just a quick update to say that despite the weather a successful gathering
of Europa owners has taken place at Biberach in the last few days. Those
attending were Dave Bosomworth, Ian Cook and myself from the UK, Bill Sisley
from New Zealand, John Roedseth and partner from Luxembourg, Dirk Oyen and
Karel Vranken from the Belgium/French border. Of special mention is Ivor
Phillips who actually flew his Europa from Lydd to Biberach on Thursday in
what was unkind weather. One further Europa was seen at Friedrichshafen
PH-MJW so we did our best.
A further report will be sent for the Europa Flyer.
Regards
Steve Pitt
Chairman
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| Subject: | Re: trailer technical drawings |
> Alternatively (and sorry to hijack this thread) has anyone got an open
> mono trailer
> going spare that they may like to sell?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil
Yes Phil I have, new, never been assembled as I part own a hanger,
hopefully you reside south of the equator, New Zealand to be precise.
Regards
Peter
ZK-ZEB
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| Subject: | Friedrichshafen also a "rider" following......! |
Hi! Guys
It just occurred to me to remind you that this was at least one time Bob
Harrison took the safest option........never before heard of in some circles
!
Best regards
Bob H G-PTAG
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Friedrichshafen
Well done guys. I was up doing weather from 04.30 Thursday and there was no
way you would have flown from the North East to the South coast except in
life risking conditions. I had the tail end of a urinary infection after an
endoscopy 10 days earlier (Good news though .....first "inspection"
indicates the bladder cancer gone although it can never be trusted as
experienced with Jan, so watch this space! Then I had a major problem with
my winch cable meaning I wouldn't be able to re-box the plane on return so I
felt that there were far too many things telling me not to even try. I
really did want to attend the show ...I hope we will be getting full reports
from those who did attend?
Best regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PITT STEVEN
Sent: 20 April 2012 22:46
Subject: Europa-List: Friedrichshafen
Just a quick update to say that despite the weather a successful gathering
of Europa owners has taken place at Biberach in the last few days. Those
attending were Dave Bosomworth, Ian Cook and myself from the UK, Bill Sisley
from New Zealand, John Roedseth and partner from Luxembourg, Dirk Oyen and
Karel Vranken from the Belgium/French border. Of special mention is Ivor
Phillips who actually flew his Europa from Lydd to Biberach on Thursday in
what was unkind weather. One further Europa was seen at Friedrichshafen
PH-MJW so we did our best.
A further report will be sent for the Europa Flyer.
Regards
Steve Pitt
Chairman
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| Subject: | fuel vents lines |
Hi There All,
Browsing on the gallery of europaowners I saw few pictures showing the vent
lines (tank vent and visual gauge vent) going to the fuel filler and not to
the top of the roof as shown in the manual and installed on our ship. Has
anyone input on that mod, was that a specific filler?
Cheers,
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 420 hours
<mailto:mcointe@free.fr> mcointe@free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: fuel vents lines |
Max,=0A=0AI plumbed both the vent lines into the top of the the filler ("c
obra") and thence aft to vent. =C2-I did this because I had been informe
d by a couple different builders that the vent lines, especially the tank
vent, tend to burp out gas (petrol) while filling and it's best if they do
n't burp it all over the fuselage. =C2-I can say that it is correct that
I get a fair bit of petrol out of the vent into the filler while filling.
=C2-=0A=0AWere I to do it all again, I'd install an even larger vent li
ne, maybe 3/8 or even 1/2 inch, to allow better venting while filling. =C2
-Filling rate, for my aircraft anyway, is limited by vent rate and if I
try to fill faster than vent rate it will burp back up the filler neck, al
l over you and the side of the aircraft. =C2- Fill carefully the first t
ime to determine just how fast you can fill.=0ABlue skies & tailwinds,=0AB
ob Borger=0AEuropa XS Tri, Rotax 914 w/ Intercooler & Airmaster C/S Prop=0A
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming AEIO-320 EXP=0A3705 Lynchburg Dr.=0ACo
rinth, TX 76208-5331=0AH: 940-497-2123=0AC: 817-992-1117=0A=0AOn Apr 21, 2
012, at 10:47 AM, Max Cointe <mcointe@free.fr> wrote:=0A=0AHi There All,=0A
=C2-=0ABrowsing on the gallery of europaowners I saw few pictures showin
g the vent lines (tank vent and visual gauge vent) going to the fuel fille
r and not to the top of the roof as shown in the manual and installed on o
ur ship. Has anyone input on that mod, was that a specific filler?=0ACheer
s,=0AMax=C2- Cointe=0AF-PMLH TriGear Kit #560=0A912ULS Airmaster 420 hou
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| Subject: | fuel vents lines |
Hi! All interested in this topic.....
My vent line runs up the starboard door jamb into a large collector
bottle in the ceiling tipped to discharge back into the tank vent line
down at the tank
Then I run another vent line from the raised collector bottle bottom
right over the ceiling to exit into a tiny pill bottle with an overflow
vent alongside the flap drive hinge hole in the fuselage.
None has ever reached there when filling or caused any venting problems,
most of the piping is clear viewing pipe and it is possible to see over
burped fuel going up there and running back !
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Borger
Sent: 21 April 2012 17:27
Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel vents lines
Max,
I plumbed both the vent lines into the top of the the filler ("cobra")
and thence aft to vent. I did this because I had been informed by a
couple different builders that the vent lines, especially the tank vent,
tend to burp out gas (petrol) while filling and it's best if they don't
burp it all over the fuselage. I can say that it is correct that I get
a fair bit of petrol out of the vent into the filler while filling.
Were I to do it all again, I'd install an even larger vent line, maybe
3/8 or even 1/2 inch, to allow better venting while filling. Filling
rate, for my aircraft anyway, is limited by vent rate and if I try to
fill faster than vent rate it will burp back up the filler neck, all
over you and the side of the aircraft. Fill carefully the first time
to determine just how fast you can fill.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914 w/ Intercooler & Airmaster C/S Prop
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
H: 940-497-2123
C: 817-992-1117
On Apr 21, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Max Cointe <mcointe@free.fr> wrote:
Hi There All,
Browsing on the gallery of europaowners I saw few pictures showing the
vent lines (tank vent and visual gauge vent) going to the fuel filler
and not to the top of the roof as shown in the manual and installed on
our ship. Has anyone input on that mod, was that a specific filler?
Cheers,
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 420 hours
mcointe@free.fr
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List>
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| Subject: | fuel vents lines |
Max
Look on the new club web site and go to page "For builder", "Engine and
fuel system", "Fuel System",
Under the heading Filler and Vents you will find a link to an article "Fuel
Vent" which I wrote.
If you want more details let me know.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
Europa Club Mods Specialist
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
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| Subject: | Re: trailer technical drawings |
Hi Phil,
I still have a mono trailer available for sale if you are interested. Let
me know at:
roberthatton1@googlemail.com
All the best
Robert
On Apr 20, 2012 10:45 AM, "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com> wrote:
>
> Not sure if your request was for a Tri-gear or Mono trailer but I don't
> have either. If it was for a mono, I would also be interested in getting
> some drawings for an open trailer.
>
> Alternatively (and sorry to hijack this thread) has anyone got an open
> mono trailer going spare that they may like to sell?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371365#371365
>
>
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| Subject: | fuel vents lines |
I ran 10mm lines on mine, up to the cobra, just below the filler cap, I then
ran another line down the back of the cobra
And out through the floor near the landing gear, with a pitot style alloy
fitting pointing forward. I had concerns
About suction in flight draining the tank, There is an automotive fuel
filter in this line to stop water bugs etc entering the tank
Through the breather.
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 1:48 AM
Subject: Europa-List: fuel vents lines
Hi There All,
Browsing on the gallery of europaowners I saw few pictures showing the vent
lines (tank vent and visual gauge vent) going to the fuel filler and not to
the top of the roof as shown in the manual and installed on our ship. Has
anyone input on that mod, was that a specific filler?
Cheers,
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 420 hours
mcointe@free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Friedrichshafen also a "rider" following......! |
Steve,
I also made it to Friedrichshafen via RyanAir but due to a migrain l was out of
action Thursday evening and hence did not make the (2+ hr return drive to Biberach).
The weather on Thursday in the Uk (l am based close to Stansted) was 400' to approx
2500' layers of cloud up to about 6500. Anybody who flew out in a Europa
in that is very brave!!. The conditions did not appear to chnge much until Metz
where there were breaks in the cloud. In the Friedrichshafen region on Thursday
it was great. Friday was less good with showers and some CB activity. Today
it looked flyable but with increased CB and some rough air around 2500-5000.
I made the right decision not to fly my Europa, l congratulate Ivor for making
it, although l have no idea how it was possible under VFR.
The show was a great success, lots of new things to look at, some familiar faces,
but less display flying going on than the last time l visited. Highlights
for me were the new 912iS, the VL3 which l think will become very popular.
--------
John Wighton
Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371446#371446
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| Subject: | Re: fuel vents lines |
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Max,
Please refer to my website for some details on the vent tube out the
bottom and a sight gauge that works. The details on the website are
general in nature. I have done many of these using the concept of the
drawing below. It works, allows overfill fuel to drain out of the
cobra, keeps fuel off the top of the aircraft and provides a very
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case fuel gets in my sight gauge vent line. If I overfill my plane and
believe my sight gauge vent side is full of fuel, I simply put the 1/4
inch line on the inside the cobra tee for the sight gauge vent and blow
into it until I hear bubbles in the tank. Sight gauge is accurate as it
can be. Just make sure your sight gauge elbow or tee is the highest
point in the cobra neck and your drain is lower.
Just an idea...
Regards,
Bud Yerly
Europa Tech Support,
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From: Max Cointe<mailto:mcointe@free.fr>
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Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 11:47 AM
Subject: Europa-List: fuel vents lines
Hi There All,
Browsing on the gallery of europaowners I saw few pictures showing the
vent lines (tank vent and visual gauge vent) going to the fuel filler
and not to the top of the roof as shown in the manual and installed on
our ship. Has anyone input on that mod, was that a specific filler?
Cheers,
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 420 hours
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| Subject: | Re: landing gear frame geometry |
Rowland,
Not to worry as the guys pointed out. I am embarrassed for the company
that the tubes are that far off.
They should be rather parallel. Please shim it out if necessary but I
can have a new frame sent. My spare one here in the shop is pretty
straight.
If you wish to continue, make sure the frame is square to the firewall.
Also note that it is not askew to the vertical and horizontal axis as
best you can. Make shims to keep the vertical and horizontal tubes 1/8
inch off the firewall (1/16 inch min.). The manual says to leave at
least 3/16 inch from the top horizontal tube to the firewall for the
bungee. It has been my experience that 1/4 inch minimum is necessary as
glass is added and the bungee for the mono or trigear (when springs are
not used) gets really tight in there. For the mono, get the swing arm
out and temporarily fit it to check the alignment with the well, but if
the lower tube is square to the firewall, you will be all right
especially with the 7 inch tire.
If the tubes that go into the module are a bit far from the module at
points, the Redux (Araldite 420A/B) will take up the slack on final
install.
Once you are dry fitted, and have done your best to drill your mounting
holes, then take out the frame and assemble your gear on the bench.
Make sure your over center is at least 1/16 inch on the LG08s when
installed. This is quite easy to do now with the gear on the bench and
assembled. Make sure all is well with the mono wheel geometry before
final install as it is hell getting up into that well to grind and trim
if the arms are not straight.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
Europa Tech Support.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rowland Carson<mailto:rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
To: Europa e-mail list list<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:46 PM
Subject: Europa-List: landing gear frame geometry
<rowlandcarson@gmail.com<mailto:rowlandcarson@gmail.com>>
I've made a big hole in the firewall and am trying to get my landing
gear frame (LG01/3) aligned with the firewall according to the manual
page 21M-2. That calls for 3 tubes (top horizontal and 2 vertical side
ones) to be between 1mm & 3mm from the vertical face of the firewall.
After some fettling of the holes and tunnel radii the frame goes in
without too much effort, but when I sight down the firewall for a rough
check of how far away the relevant tubes are I find they do not appear
co-planar. The top tube is too far away at the starboard side, but the
starboard vertical tube is almost touching the firewall. The top tube is
about the right distance from the firewall at the port side, but the
port vertical tube could stand coming a little closer. Oh, and the
bottom horizontal tube is pretty much parallel to the firewall. The
fuselage bottom moulding is sitting on a dolly that provides support for
the curve of the underside and I have not observed any measurable twist
in it.
I took the LG frame out and checked the parallelism of the tubes in
question by laying a steel flat diagonally across (the piece I had
wasn't long enough to stretch from side to side or top to bottom); it
rocks audibly on 3 out of 4 of the combinations. My digital level also
shows that the top and bottom tubes are about a degree different from
each other and the side vertical tubes are about half a degree different
from each other.
Is this significant? Should I ask for a replacement LG frame?
My next step, if no other advice forthcoming, would be to try setting
the alignment with the swinging arm LG02 fitted temporarily, and accept
whatever misalignment the tubes have with the firewall.
in friendship
Rowland
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