---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/23/12: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:16 AM - Fuel Sender (Carl Meek) 2. 01:09 AM - Re: tire sizes & dimensions (Bob Harrison) 3. 01:44 AM - SV: Fuel Sender (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 4. 01:53 AM - Re: SV: Fuel Sender (Carl Meek) 5. 02:16 AM - Re: SV: Fuel Sender (Richard Wheelwright) 6. 02:50 AM - Re: tire sizes (SCASSEL) 7. 03:13 AM - French Chateau Fly Out - CONFIRMATION NEEDED (David Joyce) 8. 03:41 AM - Monowheel /undercariage/ and tailwheel parts available Want tri-gear (K BURNS) 9. 03:54 AM - Re: SV: Fuel Sender (h&jeuropa) 10. 04:03 AM - Hey Europa (Bob Harrison) 11. 04:10 AM - Europa (Bob Harrison) 12. 04:25 AM - Re: Hey Europa (Peter Zutrauen) 13. 06:19 AM - Re: SV: Fuel Sender (Rowland Carson) 14. 06:21 AM - Mail list Hacked .... (Bob Harrison) 15. 06:43 AM - Re: Fuel Sender (G-IANI) 16. 06:58 AM - Re: SV: Fuel Sender (Frans Veldman) 17. 08:00 AM - Re: Airmaster AP332: replacement of slip ring brishes (Remi Guerner) 18. 08:08 AM - Re: Mail list Hacked .... (Rowland Carson) 19. 10:38 AM - Outriggers (Jerry Rehn) 20. 10:42 AM - Re: Talking of Fuel Vent Lines... (stephen vestuti) 21. 10:42 AM - Re: Mail list Hacked .... (stephen vestuti) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:27 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Sender From: Carl Meek Hi, I'm thinking of changing my fuel sender to a solid state one from here: http://shop.airworlduk.com/airworld-solid-state-fuel-level-gauge-and-12-bend able-probe-300717-1001-p.asp Unfortunately I forgot to measure the depth of the tank! Does anyone know how deep the tank is, what length probe I need to buy? Also, does anyone have any experience using a capacitive solid state fuel sender, I'm planning on linking it to a Dynon. Regards, -Carl. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:28 AM PST US From: Bob Harrison Subject: RE: Europa-List: tire sizes & dimensions Hi! Fred. The No. 6 is the rim diameter which is constant within normal constraints of manufacturers tolerances. The "600" / "700"/ "800" dimensions are the width of the tyre. The larger widths need the swinging arm to be appropriately formed to accommodate them. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: 23 April 2012 05:28 Subject: Europa-List: tire sizes & dimensions I'm wondering if anyone can direct me to a reference which would describe the dimensional differences between the 600 x 6, 700 x 6, and 800 x 6 tires for the monowheel. I've always assumed that the differences in these tires would be variations in width...but does anyone know if the diameter of these tires (or tyres) varies as well? (Checking back in Chap. 29m of the build manual, I had forgotten that it mentions the 600 x 6 tire, as I can only recall posts which discussed the relative merits of the 700 & 800.) Much obliged, Fred ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:05 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: SV: Europa-List: Fuel Sender Carl, I installed the Princeton (? - memory fades..) capacitive sender sold by Europa when I purchased my kit in 2001, connected to Grand Rapids EIS. Not happy with the sender, I believe it is very sensitive to type of fuel (mogas type and producer, 100LL) and possibly other factors. Have you considered the FP-5 Fuel Totalizer from Electronics International? http://www.buy-ei.com/Pages/FP-5/FP-5_Overview.html I am VERY happy with this instrument. Very accurate (no calibration has been required), easy to install, easy to use, and has the added value over a level measurement system that you get read-out of actual fuel flow (uses a sender also in the return line) in addition to quantity remaining. Great for optimizing cruise speed. Also other nice features. The only thing you have to remember is to update the fuel quantity on board after refueling (you are reminded of this every time you switch on the avionics power). Regards, Svein LN-SKJ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: SV: Europa-List: Fuel Sender From: Carl Meek Hi Svein, I'm really not interested in another instrument =AD the Dynon EMS-D10A does all of that plus more =AD I get live fuel flow, fuel level, litres used, litres remaining. The only problem with my current setup is the float sender =AD it only seems to reliably read between 20litres and 48 litres, anything more or less than that doesn't register. Also, it really bounces around in certain situations like a prolonged climb where it under-reads terribly. The Dynon totals up the fuel used, but it's not infallible =AD for example if I put a jerry can into the system and forget to update the level count, or if the fuel flow meter goes wrong. I'm looking for redundancy so I can cross check litres used with the litres left in the tank. I like to have the sight tube (unreliable below about 30 litres), plus the totaliser, plus a level readout. This became important just recently when we had a small "fuel crisis" panic buying in the UK. All the mogas ran out, and my only option was to fly to a field with avgas. Fuel was low, so I emptied a few litres from various jerry cans, and I had to unscrew the sender plate and look into the tank to check I had enough to safely take off! A friend runs a capacitance gauge from the link I posted earlier and believes it to be very accurate indeed. For me, it will serve as one of three ways to check fuel level. Regards, -Carl. From: Sidsel & Svein Johnsen Subject: SV: Europa-List: Fuel Sender Carl, I installed the Princeton (? =AD memory fades=8A=8A) capacitive sender sold by Europa when I purchased my kit in 2001, connected to Grand Rapids EIS. Not happy with the sender, I believe it is very sensitive to type of fuel (moga s type and producer, 100LL) and possibly other factors. Have you considered the FP-5 Fuel Totalizer from Electronics International? http://www.buy-ei.com/Pages/FP-5/FP-5_Overview.html I am VERY happy with this instrument. Very accurate (no calibration has been required), easy to install, easy to use, and has the added value over a level measurement system that you get read-out of actual fuel flow (uses a sender also in the return line) in addition to quantity remaining. Great for optimizing cruise speed. Also other nice features. The only thing yo u have to remember is to update the fuel quantity on board after refueling (you are reminded of this every time you switch on the avionics power). Regards, Svein LN-SKJ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:29 AM PST US From: Richard Wheelwright Subject: Re: SV: Europa-List: Fuel Sender Has any one fitted the MGL Infinity FF1 Gauge to their sender? Looks like a good option.=0A=0A=0A================= ====0A=0ARichard Wheelwright=0A============ =========0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0A=0AH i Svein,=0A=0AI'm really not interested in another instrument =93 the Dynon EMS-D10A does all of that plus more =93 I get live fuel flow, fuel level, litres used, litres remaining. =C2-The only problem with my c urrent setup is the float sender =93 it only seems to reliably read b etween 20litres and 48 litres, anything more or less than that doesn't regi ster. =C2-Also, it really bounces around in certain situations like a pro longed climb where it under-reads terribly.=0A=0AThe Dynon totals up the fu el used, but it's not infallible =93 for example if I put a jerry can into the system and forget to update the level count, or if the fuel flow meter goes wrong. =C2-I'm looking for redundancy so I can cross check lit res used with the litres left in the tank. =C2-I like to have the sight t ube (unreliable below about 30 litres), plus the totaliser, plus a level re adout.=0A=0AThis became important just recently when we had a small "fuel c risis" panic buying in the UK. =C2-All the mogas ran out, and my only opt ion was to fly to a field with avgas. =C2-Fuel was low, so I emptied a fe w litres from various jerry cans, and I had to unscrew the sender plate and look into the tank to check I had enough to safely take off!=0A=0AA friend runs a capacitance gauge from the link I posted earlier and believes it to be very accurate indeed. =C2-For me, it will serve as one of three ways to check fuel level.=0A=0ARegards,=0A-Carl.=0AFrom: Sidsel & Svein Johnsen e: Monday, 23 April 2012 09:42=0ATo: =0ASubject: SV: Europa-List: Fuel Sender=0A=0A=0ACarl,=0A=C2-=0AI installed the Prin ceton (? =93 memory fades) capacitive sender sold b y Europa when I purchased my kit in 2001, connected to Grand Rapids EIS.=C2 - Not happy with the sender, I believe it is very sensitive to type of fu el (mogas type and producer, 100LL) and possibly other factors.=0A=C2-=0A Have you considered the FP-5 Fuel Totalizer from Electronics International? =C2- http://www.buy-ei.com/Pages/FP-5/FP-5_Overview.html=0A=C2-=0AI am VERY happy with this instrument.=C2- Very accurate (no calibration has be en required), easy to install, easy to use, and has the added value over a level measurement system that you get read-out of actual fuel flow (uses a sender also in the return line) in addition to quantity remaining.=C2- Gr eat for optimizing cruise speed. Also other nice features.=C2- =C2-=C2 -The only thing you have to remember is to update the fuel quantity on bo ard after refueling (you are reminded of this every time you switch on the avionics power).=0A=C2-=0ARegards,=0ASvein=0ALN-SKJ=0A=C2-=0A//www.matr ========== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:50:56 AM PST US From: SCASSEL Subject: Re: Europa-List: tire sizes Hi Fred I have used 700x6 (Air-Trac) for nearly 6 years and I am very happy. It sits perfect in the swing arm. After 6 years and soon 400 hours the tire is good as new. I am a bit surprised I may add . I asked Andy Draper about dimension when I build my plane and he recommended 700x6. 800x6 may be too wide. Some builders using 800x6 have to modify the swing arm. Go for 700x6 Best regards Stephan Cassel LN-STE ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:00 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Europa-List: French Chateau Fly Out - CONFIRMATION NEEDED The French Chateau Fly out is scheduled for 21-24 September. and has attracted a lot of interest. Earlier this year I had a series of computer disasters and not only my old computer but also the brand new replacement blew up. In checking through what I have salvaged of the replies expressing interest, I am concerned that some may have fallen down the hole in the ether that engulfed my computers! Can I ask all of you who have previously expressed an interest to confirm to me now, preferably by sending a copy of your original email. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:54 AM PST US From: K BURNS Subject: Europa-List: Monowheel /undercariage/ and tailwheel parts available Want tri-gear Hi all=0A-=0AI have unused and used Swinging arm, suspention and damper a ssembly complete,also-mainwheel /Tyre tube brakes-/and tailwheel asembl y that I would wish to trade of sell .=0A-=0A(From 2002 XS Kit)=0A-=0AI also have the same but used from a 2001 XS Kit=0A-=0AI am interested in used or unused parts for Tri-Gear.=0A-=0ARegards=0A-=0AKevin ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:42 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: SV: Fuel Sender From: "h&jeuropa" Carl, We also fitted the Princeton probe initially but found that the differences between 100LL and mogas were a problem. We also found that amount of ethanol or any moisture in the gas changed the readings significantly. We ended up using a pressure transducer to measure fuel qty. Copied that portion of Tony K's fuel quantity solution and it has worked well for several years. You should be able to find his information here on the forum. Jim & Heather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371576#371576 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:01 AM PST US From: Bob Harrison Subject: Europa-List: Hey Europa even if you dont have hours of free time at home you should check this out http://cnbc02.com/ you have to look Europa ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:33 AM PST US From: Bob Harrison Subject: Europa-List: Europa how are things stop making money for someone else http://cnbc03.com/ stay in touch ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:40 AM PST US From: Peter Zutrauen Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hey Europa Hi Bob, I think your email account may have been hi-jacked by a spammer. This email contains spam content masquerading as a CNBC website (which it is not) - note the "02" in the domain. Cheers, Pete On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 2:03 AM, Bob Harrison wrote: > > even if you dont have hours of free time at home you should check this out > http://cnbc02.com/ you have to look Europa > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: SV: Europa-List: Fuel Sender From: Rowland Carson On 23 Apr 2012, at 10:15, Richard Wheelwright wrote: > Has any one fitted the MGL Infinity FF1 Gauge to their sender Richard - I have bought a FF1 but it is not yet installed. I'm planning to use it with a sensor which effectively weighs the fuel, similar to the one promoted by Tony unpronounceable a few years back. I also have a Floscan flow sensor for it. Going to try and get away with just one flow sensor as I ave a 912S. Tim Houlihan uses a similar setup. It had some problems that we think were down to the vent system affecting the apparent head of fuel above the sensor, but I think that is sorted out now. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:52 AM PST US From: Bob Harrison Subject: Europa-List: Mail list Hacked .... Hi! Folks Beware some jerk has hacked my mail list . I'm not sending messages wholesale to most of you. Regards Bob NHarrison. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:15 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel Sender Karl You will find a detailed drawing of the tank on the Club web site http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/tank2.pdf. In the position of the standard fuel gauge the tank is approximately 390mm deep. The idea depth for the fuel gauge would be say 375mm. The europa supplied part is a 350mm unit (as the 375mm is only available on bulk orders from the USA). A new float gauge unit is now available from Europa which gives 16 levels (the old one was 8). I have installed one of these with a Dynon Skyview and it works well. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 350hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:19 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: SV: Europa-List: Fuel Sender On 04/23/2012 11:15 AM, Richard Wheelwright wrote: > Has any one fitted the MGL Infinity FF1 Gauge to their sender? Looks > like a good option. I have it and I'm satisfied with it. I use two float type senders, one swiveling into the main tank and the other in the reserve. I have set up the two systems as two independant tanks, and of course both are consumed equally, until the bottom of the "saddle" is reached. This gives insight when to switch from main to reserve, and also offers some redundancy during the time the tank level is above the saddle. If both tanks indicate the same level then all should be well. If one float sticks or sinks the levels disagree and invite the pilot to investigate. The fuel flow part also works perfectly. I have a 914 so I have two flow senders, the FF1 is able to substract the return flow from the total fuel flow so it gives a very accurate value. What's more: connected to the ships NMEA-buss it calculates the time and distance remaining on the fuel contents. frans ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:43 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Airmaster AP332: replacement of slip ring brishes From: "Remi Guerner" Max, I have to amend my previous post after having checked my brushes today. Surprisingly they are still protuding 7 to 8 mm from the body of the sensor/brush assembly after 275 hours. This is to be compared with 12mm when new. So they are probably good for another 300 hours. This is a great improvement over the original brushes I had to replace after 265 hours. Remi Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371609#371609 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mail list Hacked .... From: Rowland Carson On 23 Apr 2012, at 14:21, Bob Harrison wrote: > Beware some jerk has hacked my mail list Bob - it appears to be your tiscali account that has been hacked - I'd advise you to change your account password pronto. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:06 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Outriggers From: Jerry Rehn I am into my annual condition inspection and once again thinking about the useful life of the outriggers. I have over 10 years of service on them, here in the northwest they don't get much sun or heat and I store my plane inside for about 6 months of each year. So they look ok and have a slight curve to the rear from sitting on uneven grass area which pushes up on them somewhat. I recall a couple of failures over the years but not sure if those were unusual or? Thanks for help. Jerry 914 MonoXS Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:02 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Talking of Fuel Vent Lines... From: "stephen vestuti" Thanks for the replies, I'll going to go with the forward facing vent drilled at the back as this seems to be what most of you are using with no probs., Thanks, Steve. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371627#371627 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:48 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Mail list Hacked .... From: "stephen vestuti" Dam ! and there's me thinking I was going to get rich quick ! 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