Europa-List Digest Archive

Mon 04/30/12


Total Messages Posted: 6



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     1. 02:14 AM - Tie bar recess (jglazener)
     2. 03:47 AM - Re: Tie bar recess (craig)
     3. 07:08 AM - Re : starter battery - LiFePO4 (NEEL Jean Philippe)
     4. 08:02 AM - Re: Tie bar recess (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
     5. 09:20 AM - Re: Re : starter battery - LiFePO4 (Frans Veldman)
     6. 10:08 AM - Re : Re : starter battery - LiFePO4 (NEEL Jean Philippe)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:14:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Tie bar recess
    From: "jglazener" <j.glazener@planet.nl>
    For some reason I have been supplied by Europa with a cockpit module which does not have a recess in the rear tunnel for the tie bar. At the time Roger said something about it being an older module, but I see pictures of others with much older kits who do seem to have it. Its certainly not covered in the manual I have and thats from 2006. See http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=100054 Anyway, I am working through a list of things to do before I bond on the top, and I want to get this squared away before then. ny good ideas on what I should do? Can I just cut it out, or do I need to build up the underside somehow to get to the same configuration as normally delivered from the factory? Could someone also measure up the exact position and dimension of the recess for me? Help appreciated! Jeroen http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372127#372127


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    Time: 03:47:41 AM PST US
    From: "craig" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
    Subject: Tie bar recess
    Mine is one of the older ones, where you cut the slot yourself. It was a straightforward process Marking the centerline of the tie bar and then cutting the slot with a hacksaw blade, then sanding just enough to get the bar to line up correctly. Afterwards I glassed under the bar to create a pocket with the bar sitting in it. Filled that pocket with flox and then glassed over the top which captures the bar in the flox between the glass layups. Regards craig


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    Time: 07:08:20 AM PST US
    From: NEEL Jean Philippe <jeanphilippeneel@yahoo.fr>
    Subject: starter battery - LiFePO4
    Salut Klaus=0AJe viens de t'envoyer un article sur ce type de batterie. Con trairement-=E0 la r=E9ponse d'un mec sur ce site--(frans weldman je c rois) les LFP sont parfaitement adapt=E9es =E0 nos Rotax.Il faut seulement un chargeur sp=E9cifique. Pour une Super B 5200 (900g) le meilleur prix en France est de TTC 331.29 plus le transport.=0AJe vais regarder =E7a de tr =E8s pr=E8s car je serais oblig=E9 de repasser ma batterie devant ce qui fi nalement est beaucoup mieux.=0AAmiti=E9s=0AJP=0A-=0Ahttp://www.super-b.co m/products/super-B-5200.html=0A=0A________________________________=0ADe-: Klaus Dietrich <klaus.dietrich@me.com>=0A=C0-: Europa-List Digest Server <europa-list@matronics.com> =0AEnvoy=E9 le : Jeudi 26 avril 2012 15h47=0AO bjet-: Europa-List: starter battery - LiFePO4=0A=0A--> Europa-List messag e posted by: Klaus Dietrich <klaus.dietrich@me.com>=0A=0AI'm just back from the AERO in Friedrichshafen and besides the Rotax 912is, I was impressed b y the new LiFePO4 starter batteries on offer; the weight of those new batte ries are below 1kg and they should perform as well or better than the norma l lead/GEL batteries which are 6-7kg!=0A=0ADoes anybody have actual live ex perience with those new batteries in their Europa?=0ACould be a good way to save some kilos;-)=0A=0Ahttp://www.shoraipower.com/=0Ahttp://www.a123syste ms.com/=0Ahttp://www.accu-24.de/de/LiFePO4-Akkus=0Ahttp://shop.strato.de/ep ages/61333079.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61333079/Categories/motorradbat - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ====


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    Time: 08:02:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tie bar recess
    From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
    Hi Jeroen Although my cockpit module did have the recess, if it did not it would have not been too much more work to get the tie bar stuck in place. Here&#39;s the procedure I used: http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=86943 BTW even though Alan and I tried hard to get the holes drilled perpendicular, they were not perfect. I used the self aligning cup washers to rectify errors. You can follow what I did that didn&#39;t work out as well as I had hoped and see what could have been done to do a better job. Ron Parigoris


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    Time: 09:20:34 AM PST US
    From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
    Subject: Re: starter battery - LiFePO4
    On 04/30/2012 04:06 PM, NEEL Jean Philippe wrote: > Je viens de t'envoyer un article sur ce type de batterie. > Contrairement la rponse d'un mec sur ce site (frans weldman je Hey! I see my name in this language encoded message! Do you mind to translate this so other people on this list can read it too? My native language is Dutch, but I wouldn't consider it polite to revert to my native languate if I use this list to communicate with some other Dutch members and name some participants in the process! (I can read it though, thank to our Dutch education-system where we have to learn three(!) foreign languages to graduate! Other members of this list are not so fortunate though.) > crois) les LFP sont parfaitement adaptes nos Rotax. These batteries are NOT perfectly adapted to our Rotax's. The battery doesn't care what the brand of the engine is. What matters though is that the charger of the Rotax, like any other engine charger/alternator, is designed for lead acid batteries, which require a constant voltage and just take the amps needed to get a full charge. One intriguing comment in the link you sent whas "Do not charge the battery with more than 20 Amps as this will damage the battery." How would you achieve this with a constant voltage charger like on our Rotax engines??? Frans


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    Time: 10:08:21 AM PST US
    From: NEEL Jean Philippe <jeanphilippeneel@yahoo.fr>
    Subject: starter battery - LiFePO4
    Frans =0ASorry for that message wich would not be adressed to the Europa li st.=0APlease accept my excuse for that trouble.=0AJean-philippe=0A=0A=0A___ _____________________________=0ADe-: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.n l>=0A=C0-: europa-list@matronics.com =0AEnvoy=E9 le : Lundi 30 avril 2012 19h14=0AObjet-: Re: Re : Europa-List: starter battery - LiFePO4=0A=0A--> Europa-List message posted by: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>=0A =0AOn 04/30/2012 04:06 PM, NEEL Jean Philippe wrote:=0A=0A> Je viens de t'e nvoyer un article sur ce type de batterie.=0A> Contrairement =E0 la r=E9pon se d'un mec sur ce site- (frans weldman je=0A=0AHey! I see my name in thi s language encoded message!=0ADo you mind to translate this so other people on this list can read it=0Atoo? My native language is Dutch, but I wouldn' t consider it polite to=0Arevert to my native languate if I use this list t o communicate with some=0Aother Dutch members and name some participants in the process! (I can=0Aread it though, thank to our Dutch education-system where we have to=0Alearn three(!) foreign languages to graduate! Other memb ers of this list=0Aare not so fortunate though.)=0A=0A> crois) les LFP sont parfaitement adapt=E9es=E0 nos Rotax.=0A=0AThese batteries are NOT perfect ly adapted to our Rotax's. The battery=0Adoesn't care what the brand of the engine is. What matters though is=0Athat the charger of the Rotax, like an y other engine charger/alternator,=0Ais designed for lead acid batteries, w hich require a constant voltage=0Aand just take the amps needed to get a fu ll charge.=0A=0AOne intriguing comment in the link you sent whas "Do not ch arge the=0Abattery with more than 20 Amps as this will damage the battery." How=0Awould you achieve this with a constant voltage charger like on our R =======================




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