---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/04/12: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:22 AM - Re: Tie bar recess (jglazener) 2. 11:54 AM - Re: Re: Tie bar recess (Fred Klein) 3. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: Tie bar recess (Gerry Holland) 4. 02:14 PM - Re: Re: Tie bar recess (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 5. 11:10 PM - Systems "go" for Elstree(EGTR) (Bob Harrison) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:28 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Tie bar recess From: "jglazener" Thanks for all your replies. If I understand it all correctly, there is no reason to cut the slot before the top goes on, which was my main concern. Better to do it later and with the tie bar to ensure best fit. Right, that means that tomorrow the top goes on! Fingers crossed... -------- Jeroen http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372398#372398 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:06 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Tie bar recess Jeroen, I may not be privy to all the other comments you've received; however, as must have been apparent from the photos I sent you off-list, I cut the tie bar recess AND installed the tie bar BEFORE bonding on the top. This means of course that I set the wing incidence before bonding on the top. I did so on purpose in order to avoid the awkwardness and difficulty I imagined if I were to do this work after the bonding of the top. I felt that I could change the order build because I had a great deal of confidence that the support cradle for the lower fuselage was keeping the fuselage aligned and true...I also clecoed the fuselage top securely in place before setting the angle of incidence of the wings. As I had hoped, everything remains aligned and true. Incidentally, by holding off until the last possible moment to bond on the top, I found that I was able to accomplish A LOT of tasks relating to wiring, antennas, etc. aft of the baggage bay and avoid the challenges of limited access thru the "D" panel. just my 2 cents worth of experience, Fred On May 4, 2012, at 11:21 AM, jglazener wrote: > > Thanks for all your replies. If I understand it all correctly, there > is no reason to cut the slot before the top goes on, which was my > main concern. Better to do it later and with the tie bar to ensure > best fit. > > Right, that means that tomorrow the top goes on! Fingers crossed... > > -------- > Jeroen > > http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:24 PM PST US From: Gerry Holland Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Tie bar recess Jereon Hi! I did the same as Fred and for the same reasons. My bottom fuselage half was rigid in it's cradle. It all worked out well. Another option! Regards Gerry do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:14:42 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Tie bar recess Jeoren- Delay putting the top on as long as you can. Any work you can do before it is on is MUCH easier without it, including the tie bar. The instructions are very clear that you put the top on early but the practice in the US has been to delay it. As far as I know, it has never created a problem. Get as much done to the halves as you can before you bond them! Jim Puglise Europa 283JL Punta Gorda, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "jglazener" Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 2:21:23 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Tie bar recess Thanks for all your replies. If I understand it all correctly, there is no reason to cut the slot before the top goes on, which was my main concern. Better to do it later and with the tie bar to ensure best fit. Right, that means that tomorrow the top goes on! Fingers crossed... -------- Jeroen http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372398#372398 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:16 PM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: Systems "go" for Elstree(EGTR) Hi! Good morning happy campers! I'm all flight planned for my flight to Elstree this morning. HOWEVER IF YOU INTEND FILING /PARTICIPATING IN THE DAMNED OLYMPICS TRIAL PLANNING FRACUS DON'T EXPECT A FILE NUMBER RETURNED UNLESS YOU HAVE FILED ELECTRONICALLY THROUGH THE asi INITIATIVE and I'm not pissing about with that at this time of the morning. Swanick were very nice and helpful faxing me back an approved plan BUT IT'S WORTHLESS FROM THE POINT OF THE FLIGHT PLAN DAY !! How f-----------ing stupid are we? Regards to all >From Sunny Lincolnshire. 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