---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/20/12: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:28 AM - Re: Mono brake puck o ring size? (h&jeuropa) 2. 09:43 AM - Lack of power with water heated carb body mountings (europapa) 3. 10:02 AM - Re: Lack of power with water heated carb body mountings (Karl Heindl) 4. 11:23 AM - Re: Lack of power with water heated carb body mountings (Pete Lawless) 5. 02:01 PM - Re: Lack of power with water heated carb body mountings (Robert Borger) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:02 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Mono brake puck o ring size? From: "h&jeuropa" Hi Kevin, The Europa casting brake caliper is dimensionally the same as a Cleveland brake. When we replaced our o ring the FBO had a Cleveland part in stock. Looking at ACS, it appears to be a Cleveland 101-05200. Hope this helps. Jim & Heather N241BW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373386#373386 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:29 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Lack of power with water heated carb body mountings From: "europapa" Hello again, after eight months of modifying my classic I am back in the air again. My flight inspector said after he test flew the aircraft: "funny aircraft but be careful with your payload, it is absolutely not overpowered!" Well, I thought that impression you get when you are used to turboprops, like he is. But today it was me who made the same painful experience. It is not so easy to realize the lack of with a CS prop but my europa now climbs solo as before with passenger and it seams the have all shortened the runways. After my last flight today I opened the cowling after half an hour on ground and even the top of the carbs have been that hot you could not leave your hand on them. Now it is clear for me: I need a stopcock to use the hot water only when needed. But I wonder if it is only the heat that is responsible for the lack of power or also the longer suction tube ( don't know the right English term). Has anybody made similar experiences. Tomorrow I have my test flight with the flight instructor but I will not let him in before I have got it fixed. Thank you Juergen Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373406#373406 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:11 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Lack of power with water heated carb body mountings the first thing I would do is to eliminate the carb heat=2C simply by putti ng a clamp on the hose leading to the carbs. But I don't think it will make any difference=2C the carburetor heat should not make a noticeable differe nce.You are right about the stopcock=2C I hardly ever use carb heat.If ther e is a loss of power or thrust=2C it will be for a different reason. Karl > Subject: Europa-List: Lack of power with water heated carb body mountings > From: experimental@online.de > Date: Sun=2C 20 May 2012 09:42:30 -0700 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > Hello again=2C > > after eight months of modifying my classic I am back in the air again. > My flight inspector said after he test flew the aircraft: "funny aircraft but be careful with your payload=2C it is absolutely not overpowered!" > Well=2C I thought that impression you get when you are used to turboprops =2C like he is. > But today it was me who made the same painful experience. > It is not so easy to realize the lack of with a CS prop but my europa now climbs solo as before with passenger and it seams the have all shortened t he runways. > After my last flight today I opened the cowling after half an hour on gro und and even the top of the carbs have been that hot you could not leave yo ur hand on them. > Now it is clear for me: I need a stopcock to use the hot water only when needed. > But I wonder if it is only the heat that is responsible for the lack of p ower > or also the longer suction tube ( don't know the right English term). > Has anybody made similar experiences. > Tomorrow I have my test flight with the flight instructor but I will not let him in before I have got it fixed. > > Thank you > > Juergen > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373406#373406 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:25 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Lack of power with water heated carb body mountings Hi Juergen I leave my carb body water heaters on permanently. In fact I cannot turn them off as I did not fit a tap. Makes no difference to the performance in any weather + I don't need to remember to turn them on. Mine are the thick gasket type as supplied by Rotax agent in the UK. Regards Pete Classic 912ul with NSI variable pitch prop. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of europapa Sent: 20 May 2012 17:43 Subject: Europa-List: Lack of power with water heated carb body mountings Hello again, after eight months of modifying my classic I am back in the air again. My flight inspector said after he test flew the aircraft: "funny aircraft but be careful with your payload, it is absolutely not overpowered!" Well, I thought that impression you get when you are used to turboprops, like he is. But today it was me who made the same painful experience. It is not so easy to realize the lack of with a CS prop but my europa now climbs solo as before with passenger and it seams the have all shortened the runways. After my last flight today I opened the cowling after half an hour on ground and even the top of the carbs have been that hot you could not leave your hand on them. Now it is clear for me: I need a stopcock to use the hot water only when needed. But I wonder if it is only the heat that is responsible for the lack of power or also the longer suction tube ( don't know the right English term). Has anybody made similar experiences. Tomorrow I have my test flight with the flight instructor but I will not let him in before I have got it fixed. Thank you Juergen Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373406#373406 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:01:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lack of power with water heated carb body mountings From: Robert Borger Juergen, I understand what you are going through. My Europa has been down for a year for extensive modifications and putting it back in flying condition has been a trial. What engine and propeller are you using? Is your prop adjustable? what is the static RPM and Manifold Pressure at full throttle? I'm not sure what you mean by "suction tube." Can you go to the engine parts manual and get a name or part number? Sounds like you are correct in not wanting to fly with the instructor until you have the power issue corrected. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On May 20, 2012, at 11:42 AM, europapa wrote: Hello again, after eight months of modifying my classic I am back in the air again. My flight inspector said after he test flew the aircraft: "funny aircraft but be careful with your payload, it is absolutely not overpowered!" Well, I thought that impression you get when you are used to turboprops, like he is. But today it was me who made the same painful experience. It is not so easy to realize the lack of with a CS prop but my europa now climbs solo as before with passenger and it seams the have all shortened the runways. After my last flight today I opened the cowling after half an hour on ground and even the top of the carbs have been that hot you could not leave your hand on them. Now it is clear for me: I need a stopcock to use the hot water only when needed. But I wonder if it is only the heat that is responsible for the lack of power or also the longer suction tube ( don't know the right English term). Has anybody made similar experiences. Tomorrow I have my test flight with the flight instructor but I will not let him in before I have got it fixed. 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