---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/31/12: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:00 AM - Re: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator (Roland) 2. 02:04 AM - Radio disturbance (Roland) 3. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: ipad mount (Robert Borger) 4. 06:58 AM - First Saturday Fly-Ins at KEHR, Henderson, KY (Steve Eberhart) 5. 09:10 AM - Vortex Generators (UVTREITH) 6. 09:53 AM - Re: Vortex Generators (Gerry Holland) 7. 10:49 AM - Flight over Belgian territory (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 8. 01:03 PM - Re: Vortex Generators (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 9. 01:21 PM - Re: Vortex Generators (Robert Borger) 10. 04:17 PM - Re: Vortex Generators (GRAHAM SINGLETON) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:50 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator From: "Roland" Bob, Schicke says the don't deliver to the US, but you can order at www.fk-leichtflugzeuge.de. There you can also call Mr. Horle Tel. 00496232/72076. Hope this helps. Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS Trigear 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374348#374348 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:06 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Radio disturbance From: "Roland" Friends, its me again. This time I discover problems with massive radio disturbance. I changed to a Silent Hectic voltage regulator, made a 45 minute flight and everything was fine. On the next start up a week later the current was only 11,7 volts (engine started but Rotax Flydat remained dark). The reason was the regulator which was not working/charging the battery, thus radio on the last 45 minute flight worked (perfect) on battery power only. Original Ducati/Rotax regulator reinstalled and it was charging. BUT: the radio was disturbed so badly (I also heard all sorts of electrical consumers like trim, transponder etc. with the waste gate controller motor being the worst). I also had to open the squelch the whole flight to understand ATC. Since I bought my Europa used, I cannot completely exclude a fundamental fault in the electric system (earth?). Any ideas much appreciated. Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS Trigear 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374349#374349 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: ipad mount From: Robert Borger Here's how I did my iPad mount. It is a RAM mount system I purchased last year at AirVenture. It can be adjusted a fair bit to bring it closer to the pilot or to allow the passenger to operate it. >From the front: >From the back, showing the mount: I think the clamping bar should be turned so the tightening fixture is down. That way it can be operated more easily from the front of the unit. I may get another ball mount and try it on the mount location on the right and middle of the mount as it may provide more freedom of movement. Hope this helps. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:55 AM PST US From: Steve Eberhart Subject: Europa-List: First Saturday Fly-Ins at KEHR, Henderson, KY Our EAA 21 Club Fly-Ins now include Saturday Matinee at the Movies. This month watch "Strategic Air Command" at 1:00 pm, with free popcorn, in the air-conditioned FBO conference room We will be preparing Hamburgers, Brats and NATHANS FAMOUS Hot Dogs for all that fly in. Just as New York's 21 Club has become known as the HAPPENING PLACE to be and be seen, EAA 21 Club is the place to be on the first Saturday of each month. When: June 2, July 7, August 4, September 1, October 6, 2012 10:00 AM till 2:00 PM Central time. Where: Henderson Kentucky City-County Airport (KEHR) If KEHR is VFR then we will be cooking the best Gourmet Burgers, Brats and Dogs this side of Sporty's. EAA 21 Club is expanding. Watch for the announcement about our new Third Saturday Fly-Ins at EVV Be sure to stop by our web site for information about Evansville's World Class Air Show June 9th and 10th, 2012 http://www.eaa21.org ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:55 AM PST US From: "UVTREITH" Subject: Europa-List: Vortex Generators Hi Family, An Austrian Monowheel Classic owner is thinking about to install on his wings Vortex Generators? Is there somebody who had made that and what was the result out of this? Is it helpful or will this destroy the benefit of the Europa wings? Some wise and technical information would be helpful - thank you. Best Regards, Bruno Reith ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:05 AM PST US From: Gerry Holland Subject: Re: Europa-List: Vortex Generators Bruno Hi! Being practical about the vortex generators and knowing very little technically I would have first thought NO. But...... The Classic wings are all subtly different so I'm sure and that may mean that some would benefit from VG's. With XS wings I would think a definite No no. Many have added stall strips to correct other builder characteristics that have manifested themselves after completion. I'm happy to know that my lack of expertise will bring forth comments that will render a proper answer from others better qualified. Will be interested to read advice. Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:16 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Europa-List: Flight over Belgian territory Opinions have previously been expressed on this forum regarding the temporary permission required for =9Cpermit=9D aircraft to operate over Belgian territory. In preparation of my planned flight to the Europa fly-in at Popham in June, I have just been granted such a permit. The charge has now increased to =82=AC92. There are, however, some new provisions in the permit worth noting by anyone contemplating to fly through Belgian airspace without a prior permission: - In addition to filing a Flight Plan for each flight, =9Ceach flight (date, route, type of the flight and the registration marks) has to be notified in advance to the e-mail address fpl.temporarypermittofly@mobilit.fgov.be=9D. - Latest by the day after the requested period for flights in Belgium ends, =9Cthe operator shall inform the Belgian CAA of the operated flights in Belgium by transmitting a list indicating the overflight dates.=9D Naturally, I have no way of knowing whether this indicates that a link has been created between air traffic control/flight plans for border crossings and the office issuing the temporary permits, with consequences for those not following the rules. Hoping to see many from all corners of Europe at Popham! Regards, Svein LN-SKJ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:33 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Vortex Generators Hi Bruno- You need to talk to Bud at Custom Flight Creations.=C2- I believe he is m arketing a set of vortex generators that will work on the XS wing.=C2- Yo u may want to e-mail him off list for prices, etc. Jim Puglise Europa XS N283JL Punta Gorda, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "UVTREITH" Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:03:12 PM Subject: Europa-List: Vortex Generators Hi Family, =C2- An Austrian Monowheel Classic owner is thinking about to install on his win gs Vortex Generators? Is there somebody who had made that and what was the result out of this? Is it helpful or will this destroy the benefit of the Europa wings? =C2- Some wise and technical information would be helpful =93 thank you. Best Regards, =C2- Bruno Reith ============ == ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Vortex Generators From: Robert Borger Hi Bruno, Contact Bud Yerly at Custom Flight Creations. He's the U.S. distributor for Europa and has done quite a bit of work investigating vortex generators on both Classic and XL wings. He should be able to provide counsel. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On May 31, 2012, at 11:03 AM, UVTREITH wrote: Hi Family, An Austrian Monowheel Classic owner is thinking about to install on his wings Vortex Generators? Is there somebody who had made that and what was the result out of this? Is it helpful or will this destroy the benefit of the Europa wings? Some wise and technical information would be helpful ' thank you. Best Regards, Bruno Reith ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:04 PM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Vortex Generators Bruno=0AIn my experience the quality of the low speed performance of the Cl assic wing is largely determined by the accuracy of the profile of the lead ing edge.=0AI=C2-spent=C2-a lot of time using computer print outs of th e airfoil to make profile templates of the first 30cm. of the section and p ersuade a couple of builders=0Ato spend a lot more time than I had sanding their leading edges to those template. Both these aircraft have excellent p erformance and a fairly benign stall.=0ASeveral other Classics I flew had f ar from benign stall characteristics, particularly flaps down.=0AThere are however at least two Long EZ with carefully positioned vortex generators on both wings and=C2-canard=C2-and they have significantly better low=C2 -=0Aspeed performance: Jim Price did the original research using wind tun nel testing at University of Michigan and took his Long to 35,000ft. At tha t height=0Athere was so little power that the aircraft was almost stalled a t full power. He achieved a 7kt reduction in stall speed with a 2kt reducti on in WOT speed.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: UVTREITH =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: T hursday, 31 May 2012, 17:03=0ASubject: Europa-List: Vortex Generators=0A =0A=0A =0AHi Family,=0A=C2-=0AAn Austrian Monowheel=0AClassic owner is th inking about to install on his wings Vortex Generators?=0AIs there somebody who had=0Amade that and what was the result out of this?=0AIs it helpful o r will=0Athis destroy the benefit of the Europa wings?=0A=C2-=0ASome wise and technical=0Ainformation would be helpful =93 thank you.=0ABest R = ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.