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Wed 06/06/12


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     1. 02:14 AM - Re: Show us your panels ! (G-IANI)
     2. 04:24 AM - Re: Show us your panels ! (Frans Veldman)
     3. 05:10 AM - Re: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators (Ivan Shaw)
     4. 05:48 AM - Re: Show us your panels ! (Paul McAllister)
     5. 06:47 AM - Re: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators (Ivan Midwing)
     6. 08:28 AM - Re: Show us your panels ! (Raimo Toivio)
     7. 08:52 AM - Re: Show us your panels ! (Raimo Toivio)
     8. 09:19 AM - Re: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators (Raimo Toivio)
     9. 10:31 AM - woodcomp install on G-umpy any tips ? (graeme bird)
    10. 10:55 AM -  Re: Europa for repair on AFORS (graeme bird)
    11. 01:58 PM - Re: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
    12. 01:59 PM - Re: woodcomp install on G-umpy any tips ? (David Joyce)
    13. 02:15 PM - Re: woodcomp install on G-umpy any tips ? (David Joyce)
    14. 04:10 PM - Re: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators (Raimo Toivio)
    15. 04:10 PM - Russians: it is hard to find a reason to love but she is one, is not she? (Raimo Toivio)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:14:49 AM PST US
    From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Show us your panels !
    Raimo Just to make you feel good. I prefer to crimp and solder anything less than 18 gauge. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com


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    Time: 04:24:43 AM PST US
    From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
    Subject: Re: Show us your panels !
    On 06/05/2012 11:46 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote: > Do agree. I have soldered all the possible joints. They will last forever. Same here. I soldered almost everything. Using proper materials and operation there is nothing wrong with soldering. The only caveat is that you MUST protect solder joints from movements. Judicious use of tie-wraps is the key. ;-) All the internal parts of avionics are soldered as well. I still need to see the first GPS units where the internal parts are crimped rather than soldered. :-D Frans


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    Time: 05:10:46 AM PST US
    From: "Ivan Shaw" <ivanshaw@btinternet.com>
    Subject: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators
    The superior pilot uses his superior judgement so that he never has to demonstrate his superior skill! Ivan From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio Sent: 05 June 2012 23:06 Subject: Re: Europa-List: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators And... There are two kind of Monowheel pilots; those who have landed a wheel retracted and those who have not done it, so far. There are skilled pilots who use their superior abilities to find out a way succesfully from a horrible situations and those wise pilots who use their rich knowledge to avoid such situations. Raimo OH-XRT From: Robert Borger <mailto:rlborger@mac.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:26 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators And. Any landing that you can use the airplane again is an excellent landing. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Jun 4, 2012, at 2:50 PM, William Daniell wrote: And. Any landing your walk away from is a good landing. From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig Sent: 02 June, 2012 00:30 Subject: Europa-List: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators You've probably all heard these before - but this is such a great compendium of 1 liners, I couldn't resist. At least it should brighten your day(s) for a few seconds. Both optimists and pessimists contribute to society. The optimist invents the airplane, the pessimist, the parachute. If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no vintage helicopter fly-ins? Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch your airspeed. Real planes use only a single stick to fly. This is why bulldozers & helicopters -- in that order -- need two. There are only three things the copilot should ever say: 1. Nice landing, Sir. 2. I'll buy the first round. 3. I'll take the fat one. As a pilot only two bad things can happen to you and one of them will. a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft knowing that it is your last flight. b. One day you will walk out to the aircraft not knowing that it is your last flight. There are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are made by men who think that they know better how to fly your airplane than you. Laws (of Physics) were ordained by nature. You can, and sometimes should suspend the Rules, but you can never suspend the Laws. About Rules: a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't have a better idea and the talent to execute it. b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a flawless performance.. (e.g.., If you fly under a bridge, don't hit the bridge.) The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline and aggressiveness. The medical profession is the natural enemy of the aviation profession.. Ever notice that the only experts who decree that the age of the pilot is over are people who have never flown anything? Also, in spite of the intensity of their feelings that the pilot's day is over, I know of no expert who has volunteered to be a passenger in a non-piloted aircraft. Before each flight, make sure that your bladder is empty and your fuel tanks are full! He who demands everything that his aircraft can give him is a pilot; he that demands one iota more is a fool. There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be heard at night. The aircraft limits are only there in case there is another flight by that particular aircraft. If subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are no limits. Flying is a great way of life for men who want to feel like boys, but not for those who still are. Flying is a hard way to earn an easy living. "If the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur would have to fire Orville to reduce costs." President, DELTA Airlines. In the Alaska bush I'd rather have a two hour bladder and three hours of fuel than vice versa. It's not that all airplane pilots are good-looking, just that good-looking people seem more capable of flying airplanes. An old pilot is one who can remember when flying was dangerous and sex was safe. Airlines have really changed! Now a flight attendant can get a pilot pregnant. I've flown in both pilot seats. Can someone tell me why the other one is always occupied by an idiot? Son, you're going to have to make up your mind about growing up and becoming a pilot. You can't do both. There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets. The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline baggage. You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't get hijacked, you didn't crash, you didn't throw up, you weren't late, you weren't nauseated by the food. So you're grateful. They invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind legs. The FAA Motto: "We're not happy 'til you're not happy". Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. Do Not Archive http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com


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    Time: 05:48:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Show us your panels !
    From: Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
    Actually, I crossed over to the "dark side" on this one. I was initially very skeptical about using crimping, but after doing some research I decided to give it a try. The airplane has been flying since 2004 and I have not had any issues with crimps. Just as an aside, a long time I ago I did a class called high reliability soldering. One of the exercises we did was to cut a cross section of various solder joints and examine them under a metallurgy microscope. It was quite surprising the number of joints that looked okay were in actual fact crystalline. Paul > On 06/05/2012 11:46 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote: > > > Do agree. I have soldered all the possible joints. They will last > forever. > > Same here. I soldered almost everything. Using proper materials and > operation there is nothing wrong with soldering. > The only caveat is that you MUST protect solder joints from movements. > Judicious use of tie-wraps is the key. ;-) > > All the internal parts of avionics are soldered as well. I still need to > see the first GPS units where the internal parts are crimped rather than > soldered. :-D > > Frans >


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    Time: 06:47:08 AM PST US
    From: "Ivan Midwing" <midwing@telia.com>
    Subject: Re: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators
    The Other Ivan Agrees! Ivan Midwing From: Ivan Shaw Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:07 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators The superior pilot uses his superior judgement so that he never has to demonstrate his superior skill! Ivan From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio Sent: 05 June 2012 23:06 Subject: Re: Europa-List: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators And... There are two kind of Monowheel pilots; those who have landed a wheel retracted and those who have not done it, so far. There are skilled pilots who use their superior abilities to find out a way succesfully from a horrible situations and those wise pilots who use their rich knowledge to avoid such situations. Raimo OH-XRT From: Robert Borger Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:26 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators And Any landing that you can use the airplane again is an excellent landing. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Jun 4, 2012, at 2:50 PM, William Daniell wrote: And Any landing your walk away from is a good landing. From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig Sent: 02 June, 2012 00:30 Subject: Europa-List: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators You've probably all heard these before - but this is such a great compendium of 1 liners, I couldn't resist. At least it should brighten your day(s) for a few seconds. Both optimists and pessimists contribute to society. The optimist invents the airplane, the pessimist, the parachute. If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no vintage helicopter fly-ins? Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch your airspeed. Real planes use only a single stick to fly. This is why bulldozers & helicopters -- in that order -- need two. There are only three things the copilot should ever say: 1. Nice landing, Sir. 2. I'll buy the first round. 3. I'll take the fat one. As a pilot only two bad things can happen to you and one of them will. a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft knowing that it is your last flight. b. One day you will walk out to the aircraft not knowing that it is your last flight. There are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are made by men who think that they know better how to fly your airplane than you. Laws (of Physics) were ordained by nature. You can, and sometimes should suspend the Rules, but you can never suspend the Laws. About Rules: a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't have a better idea and the talent to execute it. b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a flawless performance.. (e.g.., If you fly under a bridge, don't hit the bridge.) The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline and aggressiveness. The medical profession is the natural enemy of the aviation profession.. Ever notice that the only experts who decree that the age of the pilot is over are people who have never flown anything? Also, in spite of the intensity of their feelings that the pilot's day is over, I know of no expert who has volunteered to be a passenger in a non-piloted aircraft. Before each flight, make sure that your bladder is empty and your fuel tanks are full! He who demands everything that his aircraft can give him is a pilot; he that demands one iota more is a fool. There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be heard at night. The aircraft limits are only there in case there is another flight by that particular aircraft. If subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are no limits. Flying is a great way of life for men who want to feel like boys, but not for those who still are. Flying is a hard way to earn an easy living. "If the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur would have to fire Orville to reduce costs." President, DELTA Airlines. In the Alaska bush I'd rather have a two hour bladder and three hours of fuel than vice versa. It's not that all airplane pilots are good-looking, just that good-looking people seem more capable of flying airplanes. An old pilot is one who can remember when flying was dangerous and sex was safe. Airlines have really changed! Now a flight attendant can get a pilot pregnant. I've flown in both pilot seats. Can someone tell me why the other one is always occupied by an idiot? Son, you're going to have to make up your mind about growing up and becoming a pilot. You can't do both. There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets. The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline baggage. You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't get hijacked, you didn't crash, you didn't throw up, you weren't late, you weren't nauseated by the food. So you're grateful. They invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind legs. The FAA Motto: "We're not happy 'til you're not happy". Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. 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    Time: 08:28:06 AM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: Show us your panels !
    Ian, You did it. I feel so good that I will climb to the roof and scream to the west "you are the best, Ian". Cheers, Raimo -----Alkuperinen viesti----- From: G-IANI Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 11:41 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Show us your panels ! <g-iani@ntlworld.com> Raimo Just to make you feel good. I prefer to crimp and solder anything less than 18 gauge. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com browse Un/Subscription, FAQ, http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List Forums! List Admin.


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    Time: 08:52:19 AM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: Show us your panels !
    All I do for my business and to get some fuel to fly for example all kinds of outdoor displays. I have done since 1980 about 500.000 hand soldering joints by myself. They all are outside in very hard conditions; humidity 30-100%, sometimes under water, temp varies -40...+100 (yes - you can fry an egg there over the black aluminium plate), some of them are a bit shakeing and so. None of them - I repeat - none has ever broken. If a soldering joint is well done, it is so forever. At least when I complete it (or my wife)! I wish I had a photo of my "main bus" and "sub busses". Some of you will got a heart attack if saw them. Buy your medicine - I will some day show you. Is not that strange that in aviation there are many so old but still valid techs like this (to crimp)? For example it is awful that we have fuel in the cockpit. Think about every Cessnas or Pipers primer or those oil pressure gauges which bring hot oil over your knees. And sometimes to your knees. Our fuel filters under our ashes or that grazy sight gauge. (Thanks Frans - I WILL ELIMINATE IT ASAP). Generating heat in a plane is easy to do from the muffler. That is dangerous. I hate my heating systems and have that is why a CO-detector. Should make a heater via radiator. Next winter? We - as an experimentalists - are the sharp point of the development. Lets be brave and do our job as well as we can. Of course I do understand: old way is usually more safe than a pack full of new but not so much experienced way. Still, some habits should change - let us step down from the elephants bone tower... Raimo Finland OH-XRT -----Alkuperinen viesti----- From: Frans Veldman Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Show us your panels ! <frans@privatepilots.nl> On 06/05/2012 11:46 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote: > Do agree. I have soldered all the possible > joints. They will last forever. Same here. I soldered almost everything. Using proper materials and operation there is nothing wrong with soldering. The only caveat is that you MUST protect solder joints from movements. Judicious use of tie-wraps is the key. ;-) All the internal parts of avionics are soldered as well. I still need to see the first GPS units where the internal parts are crimped rather than soldered. :-D Frans browse Un/Subscription, FAQ, http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List Forums! List Admin.


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    Time: 09:19:26 AM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators
    Yes, that I tried to wrote but did not succeeded. Ivan =93 why not try to say it in Finnish! That is =9CMahtava pilotti k=C3=A4ytt=C3=A4=C3=A4 h=C3=A4nen mahtavaa arviointikyky=C3=A4ns=C3=A4 niin, ett=C3=A4 h=C3=A4nen ei koskaan tarvitse k=C3=A4ytt=C3=A4=C3=A4 h=C3=A4nen mahtavia taitojaan=9D Your friend Kim from America was here and told some of your adventures. Raimo From: Ivan Shaw Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 3:07 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators The superior pilot uses his superior judgement so that he never has to demonstrate his superior skill! Ivan From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio Sent: 05 June 2012 23:06 Subject: Re: Europa-List: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators And... There are two kind of Monowheel pilots; those who have landed a wheel retracted and those who have not done it, so far. There are skilled pilots who use their superior abilities to find out a way succesfully from a horrible situations and those wise pilots who use their rich knowledge to avoid such situations. Raimo OH-XRT From: Robert Borger Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:26 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators And Any landing that you can use the airplane again is an excellent landing. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Jun 4, 2012, at 2:50 PM, William Daniell wrote: And Any landing your walk away from is a good landing. From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig Sent: 02 June, 2012 00:30 Subject: Europa-List: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators You've probably all heard these before - but this is such a great compendium of 1 liners, I couldn't resist. At least it should brighten your day(s) for a few seconds. Both optimists and pessimists contribute to society. The optimist invents the airplane, the pessimist, the parachute. If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no vintage helicopter fly-ins? Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch your airspeed. Real planes use only a single stick to fly. This is why bulldozers & helicopters -- in that order -- need two. There are only three things the copilot should ever say: 1. Nice landing, Sir. 2. I'll buy the first round. 3. I'll take the fat one. As a pilot only two bad things can happen to you and one of them will. a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft knowing that it is your last flight. b. One day you will walk out to the aircraft not knowing that it is your last flight. There are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are made by men who think that they know better how to fly your airplane than you. Laws (of Physics) were ordained by nature. You can, and sometimes should suspend the Rules, but you can never suspend the Laws. About Rules: a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't have a better idea and the talent to execute it. b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a flawless performance.. (e.g.., If you fly under a bridge, don't hit the bridge.) The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline and aggressiveness. The medical profession is the natural enemy of the aviation profession.. Ever notice that the only experts who decree that the age of the pilot is over are people who have never flown anything? Also, in spite of the intensity of their feelings that the pilot's day is over, I know of no expert who has volunteered to be a passenger in a non-piloted aircraft. Before each flight, make sure that your bladder is empty and your fuel tanks are full! He who demands everything that his aircraft can give him is a pilot; he that demands one iota more is a fool. There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be heard at night. The aircraft limits are only there in case there is another flight by that particular aircraft. If subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are no limits. Flying is a great way of life for men who want to feel like boys, but not for those who still are. Flying is a hard way to earn an easy living. "If the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur would have to fire Orville to reduce costs." President, DELTA Airlines. In the Alaska bush I'd rather have a two hour bladder and three hours of fuel than vice versa. It's not that all airplane pilots are good-looking, just that good-looking people seem more capable of flying airplanes. An old pilot is one who can remember when flying was dangerous and sex was safe. Airlines have really changed! Now a flight attendant can get a pilot pregnant. I've flown in both pilot seats. Can someone tell me why the other one is always occupied by an idiot? Son, you're going to have to make up your mind about growing up and becoming a pilot. You can't do both. There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets. The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline baggage. You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't get hijacked, you didn't crash, you didn't throw up, you weren't late, you weren't nauseated by the food. So you're grateful. They invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind legs. The FAA Motto: "We're not happy 'til you're not happy". 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    Time: 10:31:44 AM PST US
    Subject: woodcomp install on G-umpy any tips ?
    From: "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
    Got me a nearly new david joyce style 3 wide blade woodcomp and a smart avionics controller. Any tips for installation and/or operation? I have the inserts on the prop 912ULS flange for the warp drive do these need to come out I wonder? I presume I can put the Manifold pressure sensor behind the dash, keep the wires short and pipe the pressure tube through the firewall? Install seems straightforward. I seem to recall mr Carl P turning his to manual regularly during our flight in his to stop the motor working all the time. How useful is the extra external LED which shows the motor driving? Comments appreciated as always. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP Newby: 25 hours g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374868#374868


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    Time: 10:55:23 AM PST US
    Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa for repair on AFORS
    From: "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
    Ha an interesting little winter project I'd say. Sure, change the engine, and mount, remove the paint where the stress is. It must be possible to repair the fuselage foam, the main weight bearing section looks in tact. As for the small section of leading edge - folks must have repaired worst. I'm suffering from empty shed syndrome - tempting. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP Newby: 35 hours g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374873#374873


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    Time: 01:58:48 PM PST US
    From: jimpuglise@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators
    In reality, there are 3 types.=C2- 1) Those that have; 2) Those that will ; 3) those that will again. Jim=C2- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 6:06:06 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators And... =C2- There are two kind of Monowheel pilots; those who have landed a wheel retra cted and those who have not done it, so far. =C2- There are skilled pilots who use their superior abilities to find out a way succesfully from a horrible situations and those wise pilots who use their rich knowledge to avoid such situations. =C2- Raimo OH-XRT =C2- =C2- =C2- From: Robert Borger Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:26 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators =C2- And =C2- Any landing that you can use the airplane again is an excellent landing. =C2- Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX=C2- 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com =C2- On Jun 4, 2012, at 2:50 PM, William Daniell wrote: And =C2- Any landing your walk away from is a good landing. =C2- From: =C2- owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com =C2- [mailto:owner-eu ropa-list-server@matronics.com] =C2- On Behalf Of =C2- craig Sent: =C2- 02 June, 2012 00:30 Subject: =C2- Europa-List: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators =C2- =C2- You've probably =C2- all heard these before - but this is such a great co mpendium of 1 liners, I couldn't resist.=C2- At least it should brighten your day(s) for a few seconds. <blockquote> =C2- <blockquote> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to society. The optimist invents t he airplane, the pessimist, the parachute. </blockquote> <blockquote> =C2- </blockquote> <blockquote> If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no vintage helicopter fly-in s? </blockquote> <blockquote> =C2- </blockquote> <blockquote> Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch your airspeed. </blockquote> <blockquote> =C2- </blockquote> <blockquote> Real planes use only a single stick to fly.=C2- This is why bulldozers & helicopters -- in that order -- need two. </blockquote> <blockquote> =C2- </blockquote> <blockquote> There are only three things the copilot should ever say: 1. Nice landing, Sir. 2. I'll buy the first round. 3. I'll take the fat one. =C2- As a pilot only two bad things can happen to you and one of them will. =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- a. One day you will walk out to the ai rcraft knowing that it is your last flight. =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- b. One day you will walk out to the ai rcraft not knowing that it is your last flight. </blockquote> <blockquote> There are Rules and there are Laws.=C2- The Rules are made by men who thi nk that they know better how to fly your airplane than you. Laws (of Physic s) were ordained by nature. You can, and sometimes should suspend the Rules , but you can never suspend the Laws. </blockquote> <blockquote> =C2- </blockquote> <blockquote> About Rules: a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't have a better idea and t he talent to execute it. b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a flawless performance.. </blockquote> <blockquote> =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- (e.g.., If you fly under a bridge, don't hit the b ridge.) </blockquote> <blockquote> The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline and aggressiveness. </blockquote> <blockquote> The medical profession is the natural enemy of the aviation profession.. </blockquote> <blockquote> Ever notice that the only experts who decree that the age of the pilot is o ver are people who have never flown anything? Also, in spite of the intensi ty of their feelings that the pilot's day is over, I know of no expert who has volunteered to be a passenger in a non-piloted aircraft. </blockquote> <blockquote> Before each flight, make sure that your bladder is empty and your fuel tank s are full! </blockquote> <blockquote> He who demands everything that his aircraft can give him is a pilot;=C2- he that demands one iota more is a fool. </blockquote> <blockquote> There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be heard at night. </blockquote> <blockquote> The aircraft limits are only there in case there is another flight by that particular aircraft. If subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are no limits. </blockquote> <blockquote> Flying is a great way of life for men who want to feel like boys, but not f or those who still are. </blockquote> <blockquote> Flying is a hard way to earn an easy living. </blockquote> <blockquote> "If the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur would have to fire Orville to reduce costs." President, DELTA Airlines. </blockquote> <blockquote> In the=C2- Alaska=C2- bush I'd rather have a two hour bladder and three hours of fuel than vice versa. </blockquote> <blockquote> =C2- </blockquote> <blockquote> It's not that all airplane pilots are good-looking, just that good-looking people seem more capable of flying airplanes. </blockquote> <blockquote> =C2- </blockquote> <blockquote> An old pilot is one who can remember when flying was dangerous and sex was safe. </blockquote> <blockquote> Airlines have really changed! Now a flight attendant can get a pilot pregna nt. </blockquote> <blockquote> I've flown in both pilot seats. Can someone tell me why the other one is al ways occupied by an idiot? </blockquote> <blockquote> Son, you're going to have to make up your mind about growing up and becomin g a pilot. You can't do both. </blockquote> <blockquote> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets. </blockquote> <blockquote> The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline baggage. </blockquote> <blockquote> You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't get hijacked, you didn't crash, you didn't throw up, you weren't late, you weren't nauseated by the food. So you're grateful. </blockquote> <blockquote> They invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind le gs. </blockquote> <blockquote> The FAA Motto: "We're not happy 'til you're not happy". </blockquote> <blockquote> Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. </blockquote> <blockquote> =C2- </blockquote> <blockquote> =C2- </blockquote> <blockquote> Do Not Archive =C2- </blockquote> </blockquote> =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://forums. matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Euro pa-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com sty le="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution ============ ==


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    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: woodcomp install on G-umpy any tips ?
    Graeme, I trust it will work for you as well s it has for me! Certainly it needs inserts in the prop flange, but I don't know whether the Airmaster ones are the same size, although I guess they are. But if hey have supplied new ones I would knock the old ones out & use he new.. As far as I am aware you can put the pressure sensor anywhere it fits. I ended up with ferrous fitted to the wiring to mine to stop radio interference, but as I am in Rome (via Nimes, Corsica & Elba) with mr Smart Avionics, I will pas your email in front of his nose and see if he has anything to add. Regards, David. On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 10:30:38 -0700 "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote: ><graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> > > Got me a nearly new david joyce style 3 wide blade >woodcomp and a smart avionics controller. > Any tips for installation and/or operation? > I have the inserts on the prop 912ULS flange for the >warp drive do these need to come out I wonder? > I presume I can put the Manifold pressure sensor behind >the dash, keep the wires short and pipe the pressure tube >through the firewall? > Install seems straightforward. > I seem to recall mr Carl P turning his to manual >regularly during our flight in his to stop the motor >working all the time. > How useful is the extra external LED which shows the >motor driving? > > Comments appreciated as always. > > -------- > Graeme Bird > G-UMPY > Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP > Newby: 25 hours > g(at)gdbmk.co.uk > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374868#374868 > > > > > > > >Un/Subscription, >Forums! >Admin. > > >


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    Time: 02:15:16 PM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: woodcomp install on G-umpy any tips ?
    PS , I only switch mine to manual if I am in a long cruise at uniform altitude in thermic conditions, where the pitch change motor gets to do a lot of unnecessary work. David On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 10:30:38 -0700 "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote: ><graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> > > Got me a nearly new david joyce style 3 wide blade >woodcomp and a smart avionics controller. > Any tips for installation and/or operation? > I have the inserts on the prop 912ULS flange for the >warp drive do these need to come out I wonder? > I presume I can put the Manifold pressure sensor behind >the dash, keep the wires short and pipe the pressure tube >through the firewall? > Install seems straightforward. > I seem to recall mr Carl P turning his to manual >regularly during our flight in his to stop the motor >working all the time. > How useful is the extra external LED which shows the >motor driving? > > Comments appreciated as always. > > -------- > Graeme Bird > G-UMPY > Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP > Newby: 25 hours > g(at)gdbmk.co.uk > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374868#374868 > > > > > > > >Un/Subscription, >Forums! >Admin. > > >


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    Time: 04:10:00 PM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators
    Oh Yes, of course! Are there really pilots who have done IT two times or really even more??? Raimo Here was an accident were there was an instructor and his student. They were practising some low level fly-byes. That irritating alarm which asked =9Cplease have your gears=9D was too irritating. So, he elected to switch it out. When they finally landed really, they did it as clean as new born baby. That was a two engine machine. Place: EFHF From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 11:15 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators In reality, there are 3 types. 1) Those that have; 2) Those that will; 3) those that will again. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 6:06:06 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators And... There are two kind of Monowheel pilots; those who have landed a wheel retracted and those who have not done it, so far. There are skilled pilots who use their superior abilities to find out a way succesfully from a horrible situations and those wise pilots who use their rich knowledge to avoid such situations. Raimo OH-XRT From: Robert Borger Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:26 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators And Any landing that you can use the airplane again is an excellent landing. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Jun 4, 2012, at 2:50 PM, William Daniell wrote: And Any landing your walk away from is a good landing. From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig Sent: 02 June, 2012 00:30 Subject: Europa-List: off topic: Words of Wisdom for Aviators You've probably all heard these before - but this is such a great compendium of 1 liners, I couldn't resist. At least it should brighten your day(s) for a few seconds. Both optimists and pessimists contribute to society. The optimist invents the airplane, the pessimist, the parachute. If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no vintage helicopter fly-ins? Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch your airspeed. Real planes use only a single stick to fly. This is why bulldozers & helicopters -- in that order -- need two. There are only three things the copilot should ever say: 1. Nice landing, Sir. 2. I'll buy the first round. 3. I'll take the fat one. As a pilot only two bad things can happen to you and one of them will. a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft knowing that it is your last flight. b. One day you will walk out to the aircraft not knowing that it is your last flight. There are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are made by men who think that they know better how to fly your airplane than you. Laws (of Physics) were ordained by nature. You can, and sometimes should suspend the Rules, but you can never suspend the Laws. About Rules: a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't have a better idea and the talent to execute it. b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a flawless performance.. (e.g.., If you fly under a bridge, don't hit the bridge.) The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline and aggressiveness. The medical profession is the natural enemy of the aviation profession.. Ever notice that the only experts who decree that the age of the pilot is over are people who have never flown anything? Also, in spite of the intensity of their feelings that the pilot's day is over, I know of no expert who has volunteered to be a passenger in a non-piloted aircraft. Before each flight, make sure that your bladder is empty and your fuel tanks are full! He who demands everything that his aircraft can give him is a pilot; he that demands one iota more is a fool. There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be heard at night. The aircraft limits are only there in case there is another flight by that particular aircraft. If subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are no limits. Flying is a great way of life for men who want to feel like boys, but not for those who still are. Flying is a hard way to earn an easy living. "If the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur would have to fire Orville to reduce costs." President, DELTA Airlines. In the Alaska bush I'd rather have a two hour bladder and three hours of fuel than vice versa. It's not that all airplane pilots are good-looking, just that good-looking people seem more capable of flying airplanes. An old pilot is one who can remember when flying was dangerous and sex was safe. Airlines have really changed! Now a flight attendant can get a pilot pregnant. I've flown in both pilot seats. Can someone tell me why the other one is always occupied by an idiot? Son, you're going to have to make up your mind about growing up and becoming a pilot. You can't do both. There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets. The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline baggage. You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't get hijacked, you didn't crash, you didn't throw up, you weren't late, you weren't nauseated by the food. So you're grateful. They invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind legs. The FAA Motto: "We're not happy 'til you're not happy". 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    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Russians: it is hard to find a reason to love but she is
    one, is not she? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSD4UpUmLoQ&feature=related Raimo Finland OH-XRT




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