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1. 03:10 AM - Re: Weight of HPL 3 blade warp drive prop for ref (G-IANI)
2. 03:42 AM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_Europa-List=3A_Weight_of_HPL_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?3_blade_warp_drive_prop_for_ref? (Carl Pattinson)
3. 04:53 AM - Chasing Fuel Smells (Paul McAllister)
4. 05:04 AM - Re: Re: Contact detail & Help (nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk)
5. 05:18 AM - Re: Europa Club Annual General Meeting (Remi Guerner)
6. 05:48 AM - Re: Re: Contact detail & Help (klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com)
7. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: Contact detail & Help (Robert Borger)
8. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: Contact detail & Help (Max Cointe)
9. 08:32 AM - Re: GRT avionics (William Daniell)
10. 11:56 AM - Re: "G-umpy smells of petrol" she said (graeme bird)
11. 11:57 AM - Re: Weight of HPL 3 blade warp drive prop for ref (graeme bird)
12. 12:00 PM - Re: Chasing Fuel Smells (graeme bird)
13. 02:14 PM - Re: GRT avionics (Paul McAllister)
14. 02:21 PM - Re: Re: Chasing Fuel Smells (Paul McAllister)
15. 04:05 PM - Re: GRT avionics (William Daniell)
16. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: Contact detail & Help (Fred Klein)
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Subject: | Weight of HPL 3 blade warp drive prop for ref |
Graeme
I am not sure exactly what it is you are quoting the weight of. The numbers
you give seem wrong to me.
The weight of an Airmaster AP332 setup is 11.8Kg for the prop and 0.6Kg for
the controller (Total 12.3KG = 26.6Lb). You will find this quoted on page 3
of the Airmaster brochure:-
http://www.airmasterpropellers.com/Portals/0/Products/Systems/Airmaster-broc
hure-332.pdf
I have one here, not yet on the aircraft, if you want me to check.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
Europa Club Mods Specialist
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
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Subject: | =?ISO-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_Europa-List=3A_Weight_of_HPL_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?3_blade_warp_drive_prop_for_ref? |
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Hi Ian,
Unless I am much mistaken, Graeme is fitting a Woodcomp assembly - not
Airmaster.
I just had a look at the figures when I changed from a tapered blade Warp
drive to my Woodcomp SR3000.
Warp Drive (with spinner) 4.9kg.
Woodcomp (with spinner) 12.5 kg
However I believe Graemes Warp prop is not the tapered variety (bigger
engine) and his Woodcomp is a later spec than mine (mine is all wood -
Scimitar shape). Figures should be similar though.
Cheers,
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Sent: 12 June 2012 11:09
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Weight of HPL 3 blade warp drive prop for ref
Graeme
I am not sure exactly what it is you are quoting the weight of. The numbers
you give seem wrong to me.
The weight of an Airmaster AP332 setup is 11.8Kg for the prop and 0.6Kg for
the controller (Total 12.3KG = 26.6Lb). You will find this quoted on page 3
of the Airmaster brochure:-
http://www.airmasterpropellers.com/Portals/0/Products/Systems/Airmaster-broc
hure-332.pdf
I have one here, not yet on the aircraft, if you want me to check.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
Europa Club Mods Specialist
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
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Subject: | Chasing Fuel Smells |
Hello,
Over the years I have chased fuel smells in my Europa. I think there were
3 things that made the biggest change.
- Replaced all rubber hoses with Fuel Injection hose
- Replaced all of the clips with smooth band clamps used for fuel
injection hose
- Replaced the elbow with aluminum.
Despite this I would occasionally get smells which would take forever to
find and then I discovered an ultraviolet dye that can be put in the fuel.
By using this I could find the smallest leak with a UV Led torch within 10
minutes.
Regards, Paul
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Subject: | Re: Contact detail & Help |
Bud,
A fascinating article - thanks. It would seem that I have spent the last
God knows how many years researching the same data as you (mostly 1940's
and 50's NACA papers) and come up with much the same conclusions
regarding cooling and cooling drag reduction. By a curious coincidence,
I have been busy this weekend buried in my workshop - laminating.
Compare the results, hot-out-of-the-mould, with the computer generated
cowl design on page 16 of your report. My design concepts would all
appear to have come out of your "Lets's get radical" section!
Keep up the good work.
Nigel
On 10/06/2012 05:21, Bud Yerly wrote:
> Ken and Graham,
> I've attached my modifications and techniques briefing used for Europa
> Cooling with the XS cowl which written up in the Europa Flyer .
> If I do say so myself, I never have cooling issues in Florida at 95
> degree summer days using 50/50 Anitifreeze. Judging by the calls and
> email success stories, these simple techniques work pretty much world
> wide.
> References for further study are at the end of the document.
> Those who have followed these techniques with a stock cowl have no
> problems cooling especially with the trigear. In fact it gets a bit
> too cool in cooler climates and this is with no modifications to the
> existing cowl, only treating the airflow around the coolers.
> I have worked these issues over the last six years and we just
> finished three more aircraft at the shop, all Rotax and we reworked a
> clients Jab 3300, and all the Rotax's have no cooling issues and the
> Jab is tolerable except taxi times must be short, 10 or 15 minutes
> max or it gets a bit too hot for a takeoff on a summer day.
> I'll do another briefing/article on the Jabiru before long.
> Call or email me at the office in Florida below if you have need of
> more specifics or are having problems getting the references on line.
> Regards,
> Bud Yerly
> Europa Tech Support
> US Europa Dealer
> Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
> www.customflightcreations.com <http://www.customflightcreations.com>
> (813) 653-4989
> **
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Subject: | Re: Europa Club Annual General Meeting |
Hi Alasdair,
Sorry I will not be able to attend, as I am organizing a Fly-In here in Gap the
very same Saturday. This date was retained a long time ago, long before the Popham
Europa Fly-In was announced. I will miss it. Anyway I am planning to attend
the LAA rally in September.
Regards
Remi
F-PGKL
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Subject: | Re: Contact detail & Help |
Nigel,
Oh my, what a beautiful work of art. I hope you will keep us informed of res
ults regarding the boy with nose job!
Kevin
Do not archive
On Jun 12, 2012, at 5:02 AM, "nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk" <nigel_graham@m-t
ecque.co.uk> wrote:
> Bud,
>
> A fascinating article - thanks. It would seem that I have spent the last G
od knows how many years researching the same data as you (mostly 1940's a
nd 50's NACA papers) and come up with much the same conclusions regarding co
oling and cooling drag reduction. By a curious coincidence, I have been busy
this weekend buried in my workshop - laminating. Compare the results, h
ot-out-of-the-mould, with the computer generated cowl design on page 16 of y
our report. My design concepts would all appear to have come out of your
"Lets's get radical" section!
>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> Nigel
>
> On 10/06/2012 05:21, Bud Yerly wrote:
>>
>> Ken and Graham,
>> I've attached my modifications and techniques briefing used for Europa Co
oling with the XS cowl which written up in the Europa Flyer .
>> If I do say so myself, I never have cooling issues in Florida at 95 degre
e summer days using 50/50 Anitifreeze. Judging by the calls and email succe
ss stories, these simple techniques work pretty much world wide.
>>
>> References for further study are at the end of the document.
>>
>> Those who have followed these techniques with a stock cowl have no proble
ms cooling especially with the trigear. In fact it gets a bit too cool in c
ooler climates and this is with no modifications to the existing cowl, only t
reating the airflow around the coolers.
>> I have worked these issues over the last six years and we just finished t
hree more aircraft at the shop, all Rotax and we reworked a clients Jab 3300
, and all the Rotax's have no cooling issues and the Jab is tolerable except
taxi times must be short, 10 or 15 minutes max or it gets a bit too hot for
a takeoff on a summer day.
>>
>> I'll do another briefing/article on the Jabiru before long.
>>
>> Call or email me at the office in Florida below if you have need of more s
pecifics or are having problems getting the references on line.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bud Yerly
>> Europa Tech Support
>> US Europa Dealer
>> Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
>> www.customflightcreations.com
>> (813) 653-4989
>>
> <120610 - Cowl.pdf>
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Subject: | Re: Contact detail & Help |
Nigel,
Holy Cow! That's gorgeous! If it works as well as it looks it should be worth
25 Kts.
Keep us posted as work progresses and it flies. And take good care of those molds
as you may have to spend all your spare time making copies for the rest of
us.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Jun 12, 2012, at 7:02 AM, nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk wrote:
Bud,
A fascinating article - thanks. It would seem that I have spent the last God knows
how many years researching the same data as you (mostly 1940's and 50's NACA
papers) and come up with much the same conclusions regarding cooling and cooling
drag reduction. By a curious coincidence, I have been busy this weekend
buried in my workshop - laminating. Compare the results, hot-out-of-the-mould,
with the computer generated cowl design on page 16 of your report. My design
concepts would all appear to have come out of your "Lets's get radical" section!
Keep up the good work.
Nigel
On 10/06/2012 05:21, Bud Yerly wrote:
>
> Ken and Graham,
> I've attached my modifications and techniques briefing used for Europa Cooling
with the XS cowl which written up in the Europa Flyer .
> If I do say so myself, I never have cooling issues in Florida at 95 degree summer
days using 50/50 Anitifreeze. Judging by the calls and email success stories,
these simple techniques work pretty much world wide.
>
> References for further study are at the end of the document.
>
> Those who have followed these techniques with a stock cowl have no problems cooling
especially with the trigear. In fact it gets a bit too cool in cooler
climates and this is with no modifications to the existing cowl, only treating
the airflow around the coolers.
> I have worked these issues over the last six years and we just finished three
more aircraft at the shop, all Rotax and we reworked a clients Jab 3300, and
all the Rotax's have no cooling issues and the Jab is tolerable except taxi times
must be short, 10 or 15 minutes max or it gets a bit too hot for a takeoff
on a summer day.
>
> I'll do another briefing/article on the Jabiru before long.
>
> Call or email me at the office in Florida below if you have need of more specifics
or are having problems getting the references on line.
>
> Regards,
> Bud Yerly
> Europa Tech Support
> US Europa Dealer
> Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
> www.customflightcreations.com
> (813) 653-4989
>
<120610 - Cowl.pdf>
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Subject: | Re: Contact detail & Help |
Hi Nigel,
I should say =AB Master Nigel =BB, really Best-in-Class!
Assuming there is few hundreds of Europa flying word wide, I thing you
have
a market for it.
Otherwise, will you loan the mold or at least share the way to build it?
Max Cointe
F-PMLH TriGear Kit #560
912ULS Airmaster 420 hours
mcointe@free.fr
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nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk
Envoy=E9 : mardi 12 juin 2012 14:03
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Objet : Re: Europa-List: Re: Contact detail & Help
Bud,
A fascinating article - thanks. It would seem that I have spent the last
God
knows how many years researching the same data as you (mostly 1940's and
50's NACA papers) and come up with much the same conclusions regarding
cooling and cooling drag reduction. By a curious coincidence, I have
been
busy this weekend buried in my workshop - laminating. Compare the
results,
hot-out-of-the-mould, with the computer generated cowl design on page 16
of
your report. My design concepts would all appear to have come out of
your
"Lets's get radical" section!
Keep up the good work.
Nigel
On 10/06/2012 05:21, Bud Yerly wrote:
Ken and Graham,
I've attached my modifications and techniques briefing used for Europa
Cooling with the XS cowl which written up in the Europa Flyer .
If I do say so myself, I never have cooling issues in Florida at 95
degree
summer days using 50/50 Anitifreeze. Judging by the calls and email
success
stories, these simple techniques work pretty much world wide.
References for further study are at the end of the document.
Those who have followed these techniques with a stock cowl have no
problems
cooling especially with the trigear. In fact it gets a bit too cool in
cooler climates and this is with no modifications to the existing cowl,
only
treating the airflow around the coolers.
I have worked these issues over the last six years and we just finished
three more aircraft at the shop, all Rotax and we reworked a clients Jab
3300, and all the Rotax's have no cooling issues and the Jab is
tolerable
except taxi times must be short, 10 or 15 minutes max or it gets a bit
too
hot for a takeoff on a summer day.
I'll do another briefing/article on the Jabiru before long.
Call or email me at the office in Florida below if you have need of more
specifics or are having problems getting the references on line.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
Europa Tech Support
US Europa Dealer
Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
www.customflightcreations.com
(813) 653-4989
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Thanks bob
I am wavering between this and a dynon skyview...mind you I still have
plenty plenty time before I make the decision!
Yours
Will
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Borger
Sent: 03 June, 2012 20:55
Subject: Re: Europa-List: GRT avionics
Will,
The GRT EIS 4000 works very well and was surprisingly easy to install. Not
totally flawless, but close.
The GRT Sport EFIS is more complicated and I'm still working out some wiring
issues with the interface to the EIS 4000. But first I must get the 914
running right before I can tackle the wiring.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Jun 3, 2012, at 5:55 PM, William Daniell wrote:
--> <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Gentlemen
Has anyone used Grand Rapids kit and if so what was the experience?
Yours
Will
Bogota
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Subject: | Re: "G-umpy smells of petrol" she said |
Thanks Nev, please keep me posted. I cant see why getting it through the LAA would
be hard hasnt it been done already?
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
Newby: 35 hours
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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Subject: | Re: Weight of HPL 3 blade warp drive prop for ref |
yes indeed, Carl is correct, sorry for only giving half the info. Moving on up
from a ground adjustable warp drive to a woodcomp 3000/3W.
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
Newby: 35 hours
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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Subject: | Re: Chasing Fuel Smells |
that is useful Paul - any info on the dye used tourch, clips and cable would be
useful. As a start I could use the dye and Tourch.
I did wonder if there was any sort of carbon canister that could be left in while
in the hangar to absorb the fumes.
Or maybe a little dangly Christmas tree hanging from the compass :-)
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
Newby: 35 hours
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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Subject: | Re: GRT avionics |
Hey Will,
I have a couple of GRT Sport's + EIS. I really like them, and for me I
didn't find the configuration all that difficult. What I like is the
customer support and the upgrade paths they offer. They are a very
customer focused company... they are not happy until there customer is
happy.
I have heard that the Dynon cost less and are easier to commission, but no
where as configurable. I guess if you don't need to have a highly
configurable platform then it would be a better choice.
Paul
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Subject: | Re: Chasing Fuel Smells |
Hi Graham,
I bought it all on Amazon. The dye was about $25.00 and there is a
different type for oil or coolant. I think the UV torch was about $15.00
and the UV Safety glasses were about $5.00.
I doubt if a carbon canister will help much, leaving the door open is about
as good as it gets.
Cheers, Paul
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:58 PM, graeme bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote:
>
> that is useful Paul - any info on the dye used tourch, clips and cable
> would be useful. As a start I could use the dye and Tourch.
> I did wonder if there was any sort of carbon canister that could be left
> in while in the hangar to absorb the fumes.
> Or maybe a little dangly Christmas tree hanging from the compass :-)
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thanks
I was really impressed with the GRT Hxr description on the website which is
what made me reconsider the dynon decision. It doesn't look too expensive
either
I do have a basic dynon in another aircraft and it works very well.
I expect that by the time I get to installing the EFIS there will be
something else on the market!
Yours
Will
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister
Sent: 12 June, 2012 16:11
Subject: Re: Europa-List: GRT avionics
Hey Will,
I have a couple of GRT Sport's + EIS. I really like them, and for me I
didn't find the configuration all that difficult. What I like is the
customer support and the upgrade paths they offer. They are a very customer
focused company... they are not happy until there customer is happy.
I have heard that the Dynon cost less and are easier to commission, but no
where as configurable. I guess if you don't need to have a highly
configurable platform then it would be a better choice.
Paul
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Subject: | Re: Contact detail & Help |
On Jun 12, 2012, at 5:02 AM, nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk wrote:
> It would seem that I have spent the last God knows how many years
> researching the same data as you (mostly 1940's and 50's NACA
> papers) and come up with much the same conclusions regarding cooling
> and cooling drag reduction. By a curious coincidence, I have been
> busy this weekend buried in my workshop - laminating.
Nigel...do you Brits still shout "Huzzah?
What outstanding work...absolutely superb...I can appreciate your many
talents, dedication, hard work, and the HOURS you've devoted to this
beauty. Here, here!!
Two questions:
- weight: ?
- distance from front face of cowl (not including spinner) to edge of
cowl which overlaps the firewall?
Fred
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