---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/03/12: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:05 AM - Outrigger flange W21 (mau11) 2. 10:07 AM - Re: Schicke Regulator at last (G-IANI) 3. 10:24 AM - Re: Schicke Regulator at last (Gilles Thesee) 4. 10:51 AM - Re: Schicke Regulator at last (Robert Borger) 5. 11:21 PM - Installing baggage area increase mod (William Bliss) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:33 AM PST US From: mau11 Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger flange W21 SGkgYWxsLA0KRG9lcyBhbnlvbmUgaGF2ZSB3MjEgc2NhbGUgMSBkcmF3aW5nLg0KTWFueSB0YW5r cw0KDQoNCg0KDQptYXUxMUBmcmVlLmZy ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:44 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Schicke Regulator at last Bob In the Schicke provided diagram the fuse (0.5amp) is in the line to pin 4, which is the voltage sense pin. Our (LAA) circuit puts the fuse in the line to "Gen Led" only providing the protection intended. In the Schicke setup if the fuse goes the regulator does not "see" the output voltage so it increases it. We have had a report that this fried the battery in one installation. The sense line should never be disconnected. You are right there is no reason you need the LED anyway. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Borger Sent: 03 July 2012 04:08 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Schicke Regulator at last Ian, Thanks for the heads-up. Just found the listing on the LAA website this evening. That's a tough site on which to navigate or find anything. I installed the Schicke GR6 this morning. Since I hadn't located the Mod till this evening, I used the Schicke supplied circuit diagram of course. What is the reasoning behind the changes made by the LAA? I had also installed a B&C under/over voltage warning circuit so that makes the LED in the Schicke circuit redundant. Do you know if it is necessary for the function of the regulator? I would think not. I haven't had an opportunity to run the engine to check it out yet. Hopefully tomorrow morning. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Jun 26, 2012, at 10:14 AM, G-IANI wrote: At long last! You will be pleased to know that the Schicke GR6 voltage regulator has been approved. The Mod details are in the Rotax standard mods section on the LAA web site Number, SM12970 Note that the circuit diagram differs slightly from the diagram supplied by Schicke. The LAA circuit should be used. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:27 AM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Schicke Regulator at last G-IANI a crit : > > Bob > > In the Schicke provided diagram the fuse (0.5amp) is in the line to > pin 4, which is the voltage sense pin. Our (LAA) circuit puts the fuse > in the line to Gen Led only providing the protection intended. In > the Schicke setup if the fuse goes the regulator does not see the > output voltage so it increases it. We have had a report that this > fried the battery in one installation. The sense line should never be > disconnected. > Ian, Bob and all, Sorry for feeling compelled to jump in, especially since I'm not aware of your LAA electrical requirements. We installed a Schicke regulator in our project from the start some 7 or 8 years ago, after performing some in-depth electrical and thermal experiments. In my opinion, it is crucial to provide some over voltage protection, and our circuit includes a crowbar overvoltage module which disconnects the alternator and regulator from the ship's bus in case of voltage excursion. The whole system has been working flawlessly to date. FWIW, Kindest regards, -- Gilles Thesee http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Schicke Regulator at last From: Robert Borger Ian & Giles, Thanks very much to both of you for the explanation, information and advice. I will go back and check my wiring to ensure there is no fuse in the sense wire circuit. And I will add a crowbar module before the aircraft flies again. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Jul 3, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Gilles Thesee wrote: G-IANI a crit : > > Bob > > In the Schicke provided diagram the fuse (0.5amp) is in the line to pin 4, which is the voltage sense pin. Our (LAA) circuit puts the fuse in the line to Gen Led only providing the protection intended. In the Schicke setup if the fuse goes the regulator does not see the output voltage so it increases it. We have had a report that this fried the battery in one installation. The sense line should never be disconnected. > Ian, Bob and all, Sorry for feeling compelled to jump in, especially since I'm not aware of your LAA electrical requirements. We installed a Schicke regulator in our project from the start some 7 or 8 years ago, after performing some in-depth electrical and thermal experiments. In my opinion, it is crucial to provide some over voltage protection, and our circuit includes a crowbar overvoltage module which disconnects the alternator and regulator from the ship's bus in case of voltage excursion. The whole system has been working flawlessly to date. FWIW, Kindest regards, -- Gilles Thesee http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:21:15 PM PST US From: William Bliss Subject: Europa-List: Installing baggage area increase mod Has anyone modified a completed Europa Classic from normal baggage area to increased baggage area? Is it difficult, time consuming, expensive? I suspect this question has already been asked on this forum before. Any tips on how to search archived discussion threads appreciated. 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