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Tue 07/17/12


Total Messages Posted: 14



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     1. 04:10 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 - how to avoid an overboost? (PHILLIPS I)
     2. 05:25 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 - how to avoid an overboost? (Gilles Thesee)
     3. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 - how to avoid an overboost? (PHILLIPS I)
     4. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 - how to avoid an overboost? (Gilles Thesee)
     5. 09:20 AM - Re: Cockpit cover - Any colour as long as it's white (Rob Housman)
     6. 10:32 AM - Bearing material (Paul McAllister)
     7. 11:00 AM - Re: Bearing material (Pete Lawless)
     8. 11:12 AM - Re: Bearing material (Jan de Jong)
     9. 11:26 AM - Re: Bearing material (Robert Borger)
    10. 12:22 PM - Re: Bearing material (Jeff B)
    11. 02:14 PM - Re: Bearing material (m.grass@comcast.net)
    12. 02:29 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 - how to avoid an overboost? (Frans Veldman)
    13. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 914 - how to avoid an overboost? (Fred Klein)
    14. 11:16 PM - Re: Bearing material (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:10:42 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotax 914 - how to avoid an overboost?
    From: PHILLIPS I <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
    Hi Guys I normally switch on my dedicated CB for the waist gate servo as part of my check list as soon as I get in the cockpit, But on one occasion because I was distracted by Ground crew I totally forgot to check, Half way down the runway gets a loud over boost warning from the Dynon EMS 10 Pulled the power back and hit the CB, then climbed away normally, I did check the data log for the Rotax ECU after in case it had logged the incident But all limits were within parameters, ivor On 16 July 2012 17:15, Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl> wrote: > > On 07/16/2012 04:11 PM, Gilles Thesee wrote: > > > As a flight instructor and Rotax 914 homebuilder and flyer, I would > > strongly insist on monitoring engine parameters (viz manifold pressure > > and rpm) when setting takeoff/go around power. It is naturally easier > > with conventional gauges with clear legal redlines : one gets quickly > > used to watch the needles reaching the redline from the corner of one's > > eye. > > I have quite a few instruments in my modified full width panel. But the > upper three holes are occupied by three conventional gauges: 1) the > manifold pressure, 2) the fuel pressure, 3) the RPM gauge. > > These are the only instruments I monitor briefly during the T/O. And as > you say, a needle in some colored zone in a familiar angle can be > absorbed in the blink of an eye, much faster than reading a number and > interpreting its value. > > Other instruments are located further down in the panel. Issues like > overtemperatures or even loss of oil pressure can wait until at least a > survivable altitude has been reached. > > Further I agree that during a go around it is the worst time to have a > failure of something. I don't think you can safeguard against anything. > A warning light or buzzer would be meaningless in such a situation, > unless of course the go around is optional, but then what was the > purpose of the go around anyway? > > The only time I executed a go around was when I was on an announced > short final upwind, while suddenly a twin engine aircraft emerged over > the top of the hill and decided to perform a downwind landing on the > same runway. Not sure what I would have done during an overboost, but > probably I would have opted to get out of there anyway. I don't remember > looking at the gauges I have to admit. Just what I said, some risks are > unavoidable. > > Frans > >


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    Time: 05:25:45 AM PST US
    From: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
    Subject: Re: Rotax 914 - how to avoid an overboost?
    PHILLIPS I a crit : > > > > I normally switch on my dedicated CB for the waist gate servo as part > of my check list as soon as I get in the cockpit, But on one occasion > because I was distracted by > > Ground crew I totally forgot to check, > > Half way down the runway gets a loud over boost warning from the Dynon > EMS 10 > Ivor, Your message seems to imply you disconnect the TCU/turbo CB when on the ground. Just out of curiosity, is that so, and what purpose exactly is that for ? Doesn't the master switch suffice to turn off everything in the ship ? Thanks Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr


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    Time: 08:40:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotax 914 - how to avoid an overboost?
    From: PHILLIPS I <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
    Hi Gilles I decided early on in my wiring to make sure that the waist gate servo and ECU always had power, So I have wired it direct bi passing the battery contactor, It has a klixon CB that is always pulled after shutdown, Normally the first thing I do when climbing aboard is to push home the CB And listen for the servo to go through its start sequence and check the warning Lights, I also have a toggle switch for the same circuit but that is normally left on with A further single action push switch dedicated to the servo, only used in case of hunting, The moral of the story is when interrupted for any reason doing your checklist Go back to the start, On 17 July 2012 13:24, Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr> wrote: > Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr> > > PHILLIPS I a =E9crit : > > >> >> I normally switch on my dedicated CB for the waist gate servo as part of >> my check list as soon as I get in the cockpit, But on one occasion becau se >> I was distracted by >> >> Ground crew I totally forgot to check, >> >> Half way down the runway gets a loud over boost warning from the Dynon >> EMS 10 >> >> > Ivor, > Your message seems to imply you disconnect the TCU/turbo CB when on the > ground. Just out of curiosity, is that so, and what purpose exactly is th at > for ? > Doesn't the master switch suffice to turn off everything in the ship ? > > Thanks > > > Best regards, > -- > Gilles > http://contrails.free.fr > > =====**=================== ===========**= atronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List> =====**=================== ===========**= =====**=================== ===========**= com/contribution> =====**=================== ===========**= > >


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    Time: 09:18:55 AM PST US
    From: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
    Subject: Re: Rotax 914 - how to avoid an overboost?
    PHILLIPS I a crit : > > Hi Gilles > > I decided early on in my wiring to make sure that the waist gate servo > and ECU always had power, So I have wired it direct bi passing the > battery contactor, > > It has a klixon CB that is always pulled after shutdown, > > > > Normally the first thing I do when climbing aboard is to push home the CB > > And listen for the servo to go through its start sequence and check > the warning > > Lights, > > > > I also have a toggle switch for the same circuit but that is normally > left on with > > A further single action push switch dedicated to the servo, only used > in case of hunting, > > > > The moral of the story is when interrupted for any reason doing your > checklist > > Go back to the start, > > Ivor, Understand, thank you for your response. We followed the same line of thought, but our TCU is fed through an Essential/Endurance bus. The auxilliary pump is fed direct from the aux battery (with a 'forget me not' buzzer when the engine does not run, to help prevent draining the battery after shutdown). Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr


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    Time: 09:20:56 AM PST US
    From: "Rob Housman" <rob@hyperion-ef.com>
    Subject: Cockpit cover - Any colour as long as it's white
    What these measurements tell us is what we knew before making any measurements - that darker colors absorb the sun's radiant energy more than light colors. This is why the Europa factory correctly advises that white is the only acceptable color for the fiberglass airframe. What these measurements do not tell us is how much of the sun's energy is reflected from the outer surface of the cockpit covers, only what heat is transferred by conduction through the cover. The metallic grey material is probably a very good reflector of radiant energy in the part of the spectrum most important for reducing the temperature within the cockpit. It is erroneous to conclude that "the metallic-grey material is totally unsuitable for sun heat protection" because cockpit air temperature is not a function of the temperature of the heat shield, and cockpit air temperature was not measured. At the temperatures involved, radiant heat transfer is inconsequential so therefore the measured temperature on the interior side of the cover material is insignificant and irrelevant Now, having said that the conclusion was erroneous I should point out that the cover in question may indeed be a rather poor means of reducing the cockpit temperature. We simply do not know from the available information. As with academic studies, here we must conclude that further research is necessary. For the absolutely best reflection of infrared energy use a gold coating on the metallic shield. Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, California Europa XS Rotax 914 S/N A070 Airframe complete Avionics soon From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sidsel & Svein Johnsen Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 4:02 AM Subject: Europa-List: Cockpit cover - Any colour as long as it's white On our recent trip to Venezia where we had 35 degrees during takeoff at 9:30 AM, Stephan and I were quite puzzled by the negative effect our metallic-grey cockpit covers had when it came to keeping the heat out. The temperature inside the cockpit was HIGH. I have now received the report from the Norwegian Institute of Advanced Europa Cockpit Cover Research. The reason it took so long, was that only today has the sun been out sufficiently long to carry out such an important field study. Here is the summary of the institute's findings (temperatures in degrees Centigrade): - Ambient air: 23.5 - Under car window sun protection material (I have now made covers to place inside all windows from a set purchased at auto supply store): 26.9 - Under white pillow case material (single sheet cotton, thinner material than the metallic-grey cover, tight weave): 38.7 - Under metallic-grey cockpit cover, made professionally to many Europas: 58.7 All cases: Temp. sensor held up against the underside of the test piece by pins, to ensure minimum ambient air influence. All test pieces at right angle to the sun's rays. No wind. It is evident that the metallic-grey material is totally unsuitable for sun heat protection. The colour is just for show, and has the opposite effect of what we common folks believe. It is of course water tight, but I am sure there is also white fabric available that keeps the water out. If you see a Europa at Popham next year, all covered in white bed sheets, it's mine! May the sun shine every day the rest of the summer, Svein LN-SKJ


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    Time: 10:32:52 AM PST US
    Subject: Bearing material
    From: Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
    Hello, Could someone tell me the material that the control stick bearing blocks are made from. There is a similar piece of material on the mono wheel for the gear retract lever. I thought this called Tufnol, but when I searched McMaster Carr I could not find it. Thanks and regards, Paul


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    Time: 11:00:03 AM PST US
    From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
    Subject: Bearing material
    Hi Paul It is called Tufnol. Plenty of suppliers via Google UK & US. Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister Sent: 17 July 2012 18:32 Subject: Europa-List: Bearing material Hello, Could someone tell me the material that the control stick bearing blocks are made from. There is a similar piece of material on the mono wheel for the gear retract lever. I thought this called Tufnol, but when I searched McMaster Carr I could not find it. Thanks and regards, Paul -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by <http://www.mailscanner.info/> MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 11:12:08 AM PST US
    From: Jan de Jong <jan_de_jong@casema.nl>
    Subject: Re: Bearing material
    Paul, McMaster calls it "phenolic" and "Garolite". Don't know the specific quality the bearings are made of. Regards, Jan On 7/17/2012 7:58 PM, Pete Lawless wrote: > 14 Hantone Hill > > Hi Paul > > It is called Tufnol. Plenty of suppliers via Google UK & US. > > Regards > > Pete > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul > McAllister > *Sent:* 17 July 201218:32 > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Europa-List: Bearing material > > Hello, > > Could someone tell me the material that the control stick bearing > blocks are made from. There is a similar piece of material on the mono > wheel for the gear retract lever. > > I thought this called Tufnol, but when I searched McMaster Carr I > could not find it. > > Thanks and regards, Paul > > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* <http://www.mailscanner.info/>, and is > believed to be clean. > * > > > *


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    Time: 11:26:41 AM PST US
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Bearing material
    Paul, The US trade name is Micarta. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2012, at 12:32, Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > Could someone tell me the material that the control stick bearing blocks are made from. There is a similar piece of material on the mono wheel for the gear retract lever. > > I thought this called Tufnol, but when I searched McMaster Carr I could not find it. > > Thanks and regards, Paul > > >


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    Time: 12:22:42 PM PST US
    From: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Bearing material
    Paul, it's a phenolic resin... Jeff On 7/17/2012 12:32 PM, Paul McAllister wrote: > Hello, > > Could someone tell me the material that the control stick bearing blocks > are made from. There is a similar piece of material on the mono wheel > for the gear retract lever. > > I thought this called Tufnol, but when I searched McMaster Carr I could > not find it. > > Thanks and regards, Paul > > * > > > * > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> >


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    Time: 02:14:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Bearing material
    From: m.grass@comcast.net
    Paul, Look for "phenolic sheet". Available from a lot of us sources dealing with plastics. Also Aircraft Spruce and McMaster Carr sells it in smaller quantities. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> Sender: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com Hello, Could someone tell me the material that the control stick bearing blocks are made from. There is a similar piece of material on the mono wheel for the gear retract lever. I thought this called Tufnol, but when I searched McMaster Carr I could not find it. Thanks and regards, Paul


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    Time: 02:29:59 PM PST US
    From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
    Subject: Re: Rotax 914 - how to avoid an overboost?
    On 07/17/2012 05:39 PM, PHILLIPS I wrote: > I decided early on in my wiring to make sure that the waist gate servo > and ECU always had power, So I have wired it direct bi passing the > battery contactor, Just like some people like the stall warner, the trim servo, and some other bunch of "recommended execptions" bypassing the master switch? My thought here is that everything could be essential in some stage of the flight, but then what is the meaning of the master switch if half the ship is bypassing it? I want the master switch do exactly what it is supposed to do, to power down the ship completely. If I want to retain power on the TCU, the stall warner, the trim servo, or whatever, I just don't power down. Am I missing something here? You have already experienced how such an exception can turn against you. Everything that is wired apart from the master switch can be forgotten to be switched on, and can fail just as easily as the master switch. In an unavoidable crash situation, where you have to land in hostile terrain, it is highly desirable that you can power down the electrical system with just one switch, without having to think (or worry) about all the exceptions which are bypassing the master switch and keep their sparking abilities when ripping the fuel tank is a possibility. > It has a klixon CB that is always pulled after shutdown, These things are not supposed to be used as a switch (please read the manufacturer technical manual). They will fail, much sooner than an ordinary switch, if you regularly pull them. There is a quite complicated mechanism behind these things and repeated use will wear them out quickly. So, there again, it might turn against you. I never quite understood why folks want to bypass the master switch. What is the reason behing it? Is it just me thinking like this about the purpose of the master switch? Frans


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    Time: 03:10:54 PM PST US
    From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    Subject: Re: Rotax 914 - how to avoid an overboost?
    On Jul 17, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Frans Veldman wrote: > Is it just me thinking like this about the purpose of the master > switch? I'm w/ you Frans...what kind of "Master" allows for independent choices?... Years ago, when I added a 12 hp go cart engine to my foot-launched, tail-less biplane glider, the "Master" kill switch was in my mouth...opening the circuit was as simple as relaxing my jaw or opening my mouth...of course there were some intrepid flyers...who, when frozen w/ fear...just gritted their teeth... Fred do not archive


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    Time: 11:16:55 PM PST US
    From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Bearing material
    Paul=0Ait is Tufnol, laminated with linen cloth and phenolic resin. There a re similar boards using paper instead of cloth. Not as good.=0AGraham=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0A From: Paul McAllister <paul.the.avia tor@gmail.com>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, 17 July 20 12, 18:32=0ASubject: Europa-List: Bearing material=0A =0A=0AHello,=0A=0ACou ld someone tell me the material that the control stick bearing blocks are m ade from. There is a similar piece of material on the mono wheel for the ge ar retract lever. -=0A=0AI thought this called Tufnol, but when I searche ===========




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