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1. 01:22 AM - Re: Possible New Build (Steven Pitt)
2. 01:22 AM - Re: DOTH Shobdon Mon. 23rd. (Raymond Wren)
3. 01:31 AM - Re: Talking of Fuel Vent Lines... (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
4. 01:41 AM - Re: Weight of HPL 3 blade warp drive prop for ref (graeme bird)
5. 07:02 AM - Re: Weight of HPL 3 blade warp drive prop for ref (David Joyce)
6. 11:26 AM - Re: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made (Groups)
7. 02:14 PM - Re: DOTH Shobdon Mon. 23rd. (Steven Pitt)
8. 02:23 PM - Re: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made (jonathanmilbank)
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| Subject: | Re: Possible New Build |
Steve,
I think you have already made contact with Ian Rickard and may have
visited him already. I am sure he has told you all that needs to be told
about building the Europa but as a non engineer I would say that it is
within anyone's ability to build as I did.
I am based in Petersfield and my aircraft 'DH is based at Popham (one of
5 Europas there and the only trigear). Come over some time to see the
plane and talk further about the build.
I will be at Sywell possibly for the whole weekend depending on Europa's
requirements.
Regards
Steve Pitt
Chairman, Europa Club
07866 470014
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Robinson
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:49 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Possible New Build
Hi, I'm seriously thinking about building a Europa XS with my two
sons, near Newbury, UK.
I would like to see a build in progress if possible to see where the
pitfalls might be, workshop considerations, talk through what's involved
etc.
I will try and get to the LAA sywell rally at the end of august too
before we take the plunge..
Any current builds in the south UK willing to open their doors to us
for an afternoon?
Steve.
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Shobdon Mon. 23rd. |
Hi Paddy,
I'm planning on coming; just after midday with 2 POB.
See you on Monday.
Regards
Ray
N518XL
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| Subject: | Re: Talking of Fuel Vent Lines... |
Frans=0AI recommended this mod ten years ago, quite a few have done it. Nev
er could understand why the factory didn't copy it.=0A"Not invented here" s
yndrome I guess!=0A=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A
From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.c
om =0ASent: Sunday, 22 July 2012, 0:35=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Talking
n <frans@privatepilots.nl>=0A=0AOn 04/26/2012 07:42 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
=0A=0A> But, when filling very last few litres, I have to do it very=0A> sl
owly.=0A=0AI had the same problem. I could never fill the tank at normal ta
nking=0Aspeed. The last 10 liters where a pain, but also at the beginning I
=0Acould not squeeze the tank nozzle all the way, always had to be carefull
=0Awith tanking or the filler tube would overflow.=0A=0ANow I had enough of
it.=0A=0ASomebody (I forgot who, but I'm very thankful) mentioned that inc
reasing=0Athe size of the breather hose would help.=0ASo, I took out the 3m
m hose and replaced it by a 16mm tube! And routed=0Ait into to the top of t
he cobra. It is only a short piece of tube, and=0Ait runs parallel to the f
iller hose. I had to bore out the plug that=0Agoes into the tank, and I als
o replaced the breather tube inside the=0Atank with a 16mm tube.=0A=0AThe r
esult is great! I test-tanked today at the local gas-station, and I=0Acould
fill the tank at full speed, al the way up to the top of the=0Afiller tube
. When the tanking nozzle finally kicked off, the tank=0A(including the fil
ler tube) was indeed full. No spilling, no burbling,=0Athe tank is like a b
lack hole until it has completely filled up.=0A=0AI can highly recommend th
is modification. Easy to do, and very=0Asatisfying if you have been plagued
by the slow tanking syndrome.=0A=0AMaybe 16mm is a little bit overdone, bu
t this is what I had at hand. And=0Aremember, it doesn't run to the outside
, but to the top of the cobra. If=0Aanything burbles out, it will just fall
back into the tank.=0A>From the top of the cobra another hose runs to a br
eather tube at the=0Abottom of the airplane. This tube is 3mm (or 1/4"). Th
is tube plays no=0Arole during tanking, but only when the fuel cap is close
d to keep the=0Apressure inside the tank equal to the atmospheric pressure
=- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle
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| Subject: | Re: Weight of HPL 3 blade warp drive prop for ref |
Well I have fitted to Woodcomp 3000/3W and done a couple of short initial test
flights. The LAA test schedule seems to imply that I might need to adjust the
microswitch positions but the Woodcomp manual says this should only be done at
the factory. Did anyone find it necessary to adjust them and if so did they do
it themselves of get Kevin involved? I guess I am asking Carl and David.
So far the take off seems much more rapid, but then it seemed to stop accelerating
at just above 60kts and I have to go to climb and put the gear up. The top
end doesnt seem that much faster but then I may not have been applying full power.
Not sure whether to display pressure or HP on the controller.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
Newby: 35 hours
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: Weight of HPL 3 blade warp drive prop for ref |
Graeme, You want to adjust the fine limit to give you a
max static of 5650 . Significantly less will lose you some
power & more will put you at risk of over speeding if you
slam the throttle open in a go around situation. The
coarse stop will probably look after itself but you need
to be able to get a positive rate of climb at MAUW and
fully coarse. Adjusting the stops is not at all difficult.
Woodcomp will give you instructions if you ask them, or if
here are any problems I can probably find the instructions
they gave me.
Regards, David, G-XSDJ
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 01:40:57 -0700
"graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote:
><graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
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> Well I have fitted to Woodcomp 3000/3W and done a couple
>of short initial test flights. The LAA test schedule
>seems to imply that I might need to adjust the
>microswitch positions but the Woodcomp manual says this
>should only be done at the factory. Did anyone find it
>necessary to adjust them and if so did they do it
>themselves of get Kevin involved? I guess I am asking
>Carl and David.
>
> So far the take off seems much more rapid, but then it
>seemed to stop accelerating at just above 60kts and I
>have to go to climb and put the gear up. The top end
>doesnt seem that much faster but then I may not have been
>applying full power. Not sure whether to display pressure
>or HP on the controller.
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
> G-UMPY
> Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
> Newby: 35 hours
> g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made |
Nev,
I can test fit it to my classic if you want along with those cowls ;)
Vince
G-BWUP
ULPowered tail wheel Europa
Sent from my iPad
On 10 Jul 2012, at 22:06, Neville Eyre <neveyre@aol.co.uk> wrote:
> Update chaps,
> 2nd prototype to hand now, who wants to see if it fits [ the Classic I had
to hand has gone from my Workshop] This one is final spec' material, good t
o go.
> Cheers,
> Nev.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neville Eyre <neveyre@aol.co.uk>
> To: europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 7:24 pm
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made
>
> Right, update;
> I gave up on the three manufacturers I asked to bid on before, no wonder a
ll the work is going to China !
> Found someone [ a mate] to do the job, I need to know is how many are inte
rested in this first batch.
> I intend to keep a bunch in stock later, as ALL Classic Europa's are going
to need one sooner or later, I have inspected 3 recently for Permit Renewal
, all getting close to being too far gone.
> Europa are not going to get any more rubber hoses made.
> The pipes will be from 6023 [ heat treated to T3 condition after bending i
n the T 0 state] with rolled beads on each end. Tags on both ends to ground [
earth] to filler cap and ground circuit.
> Will be a ''new'' Mod with the LAA as we can't use Franks Mod if there is t
he SLIGHTEST deviation.Frank used 6063 T6 [ YES T6 !] How did he bend that ?
So different material spec needs a new Mod ! ?
> Will be a complete Kit with all connecting hoses, clips, wire etc.....
> I will have a firm price in a week or so, best guess at the moment for the
pipe only is about =C2=A3115 / =C2=A3120, but that depends on the number ? L
ooking at the cost of the other items at the moment.
> Best to ship [ especially to overseas] in multiples, as they will be big [
odd shape] can't be folded up like the rubber ones were ! ? [ mind, I expec
t Maureen would have tried !]
> So, who wants one in about 3 to 4 weeks ?
> I have had a pipe made from gash steel to trial fit, [ got 3 Europa's to c
heck with, all slightly different !] if / when I get the go ahead from enoug
h of you I will be ready to do sets for real in the alloy.
> Looks like a win / win situation going to alloy, wont get the stink throug
h the poor quality rubber, and it will be lighter. Also got a ''cunning plan
'' to aid faster filling, will report back on that later.
> So Guys, show me your money !
> Nev
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neville Eyre <neveyre@aol.co.uk>
> To: europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 22:47
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made
>
> I started conversations with 3 potential manufactures a while back, confes
s I have let it slip, will look back into it this week and report back.
> Cheers,
> Nev.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: graeme bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
> To: europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:33
> Subject: Europa-List: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made
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>
> I am thinking of getting a batch of aluminum fuel filler pipes made for th
e
> classic to replace the rubber trunk. Frank Mycroft sent me a drawing and h
as had
> the mod approved ( it may be with Ian as well).
>
> a) does anyone else want one making, they would be cheaper in a batch
> b) I can enquire locally but pointers as to where they could be made in th
e UK
> would be helpful (50mm x 1.5 pipe)
>
> Regards Graeme
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
> G-UMPY
> Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
> Just competed conversion to type
> G(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Shobdon Mon. 23rd. |
Hope to be there.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paddy Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:25 AM
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Shobdon Mon. 23rd.
>
> Hi Folks,
> It looks like we finally have a break in the weather, so how about a
> DOTH?. I suggest Shobdon on Monday 23rd., good food and well away from the
> Olympic madness.
> Voucher in Flyer,1200ish,
> All the best, Paddy
> Paddy Clarke
> Europa G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: batch of classic fuel filler pipes being made |
As soon as Vince is happy with his fuel filler pipe, I'll be ready to place my
order and shell out money.
Story of my life, learned from military days. Always bring up the rear, so that
you're ready to lead the retreat.
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