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1. 12:17 AM - Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. (Peter Jeffers)
2. 01:55 AM - Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. (Alan Carter)
3. 02:28 AM - Re: Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. (Peter Jeffers)
4. 12:01 PM - Re: N120ej trails and tribulations (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
5. 01:09 PM - Re: Cockpit cover - Any colour as long as it's white (Europaul383)
6. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: Cockpit cover - Any colour as long as it's white (craig)
7. 02:01 PM - Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. (Alan Carter)
8. 02:37 PM - Flying within the UK Olympic Restricted Zone (David Watts)
9. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: Cockpit cover - Any colour as long as it's white (Terry Seaver (terrys))
10. 10:15 PM - Re: Flying within the UK Olympic Restricted Zone (Richard Churchill-Coleman)
11. 11:39 PM - Re: Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. (Peter Jeffers)
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| Subject: | Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. |
Hi Alan,
I think you are asking where to look for damage on TRI Gear Europas
following heavy landing/s?
1. MAIN GEAR. Look for any disruption/delamination of layups within the
fuselage in the areas of the undercarriage sockets (ie in the area just
behind the fuel tank usually covered with some form of decking material for
baggage). If there is damage here it will need repairing before further
flight. The most likely damage on main gear is a bent leg. Fortunately in a
well built aircraft the leg will bend before doing structural fuselage
damage as above. Usually obvious if you park you're a/c on flat level hard
surface and then view it from front or rear. Since it is probable that one
leg will be more or less bent than the other a lopsided stance of your
aircraft will be a big clue.
With the weight OFF the wheels check that no rotation of the leg is
possible. Ie where the leg enters the fuselage it is not possible to rotate
it at all. If you can, it could be due to damage in the area at the top of
the U/C sockets. There is a shear bolt which could shear or damage the
alligment hole at the top of the socket.
2 NOSE GEAR The first thing that usually bends is the spindle of the Nose
wheel yolk. Ie the shaft that rotates within the Nose leg itself when the
nose wheel steers left or right. To check this remove the fairing that
covers the nose wheel steering shimmy damper adjusting nut, then view from
the side and note any non parallel gap in the area of the shimmy damper
friction pad.
The nose leg itself can bend. Remove the leg fairing from the nose leg and
check for straightness using a straight edge. SHOULD BE STRAIGHT.
Beyond the above a thorough check all round the aircraft is essential.
Engine bearers can get bent and distorted. Fuselage structural damage can
occur. IT ALL DEPENDS HOW HEAVY WAS THE LANDING???
These are just a few tips but are not exhaustive. Look look and look again.
Pete Jeffers Europa Club LAA rep
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Carter
Sent: 24 July 2012 01:12
Subject: Europa-List: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear.
Hello All.
I am new to flying a Europa and don,t know what to look for in picking up
damage from a Heavy Landing, I have seen some quite hard landing by some
Europa,s.
So besides the obvious, Undercarriage missing, or all shattered where the
main gear enters the fuselage, Is there any small tell tell features that
will identify a heavy landing on the Tri Gears main gear.
Also if you find one of these features how do you check it out , that it is,
or is not due to a heavy landing.
Many thanks
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. |
Many thanks Peter.
The reason for my question is i have just recently purchased a Europa.
At the time of purchase due to traffic i only had very short time to look at the
aircraft, being a novice i did not know all the places to check up on, it was
a bit of a rush and i should have spent more time.
But from what i did examine i could see it was a good build so accepted all was
was well, ( and it may be)
However when i received the aircraft i spent 3 days polishing it all over,
and noted the condition was all neat and tidy so felt i had done well.
I have been practising landings on a 450 meter strip, from what i am use to it
very short,
I would say at this point, i don,t think any of my landings where really heavy.
But looking round the aircraft the other day ,the sun caught a slight ripple "in
the fibre glass about 3 to 4 inches forward of the Port leg where it enters
the fuselage", on close examination all the sealant round the leg is intact, no
visible damage to the leg, or in the area behind the leg.
This small shallow inward curved ripple or dent, if press with your finger
will move in and out, so assuming the skin in this area is not as thick as say
around the cockpit area, so it dos ,nt seem to be a structured area.
Now being 66 i tended to dough myself a little, has it been there all the time,
did not notice it before, But once you have found a mark your eye always goes
back and picks it up.
Regards
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. |
Hi Alan,
Before answering your reviewed query I will just need to have a look at a
Europa which is close by, to see exactly what is located exactly where you
mention. A photo from you may help me if you could manage that. From your
description it could just be a discontinuity of the profile where the leg
socket was fixed inplace. However it may not be that so would need
investigating.
Pete
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Carter
Sent: 24 July 2012 09:54
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear.
Many thanks Peter.
The reason for my question is i have just recently purchased a Europa.
At the time of purchase due to traffic i only had very short time to look at
the aircraft, being a novice i did not know all the places to check up on,
it was a bit of a rush and i should have spent more time.
But from what i did examine i could see it was a good build so accepted all
was was well, ( and it may be)
However when i received the aircraft i spent 3 days polishing it all over,
and noted the condition was all neat and tidy so felt i had done well.
I have been practising landings on a 450 meter strip, from what i am use to
it very short,
I would say at this point, i don,t think any of my landings where really
heavy.
But looking round the aircraft the other day ,the sun caught a slight ripple
"in the fibre glass about 3 to 4 inches forward of the Port leg where it
enters the fuselage", on close examination all the sealant round the leg is
intact, no visible damage to the leg, or in the area behind the leg.
This small shallow inward curved ripple or dent, if press with your finger
will move in and out, so assuming the skin in this area is not as thick as
say around the cockpit area, so it dos ,nt seem to be a structured area.
Now being 66 i tended to dough myself a little, has it been there all the
time, did not notice it before, But once you have found a mark your eye
always goes back and picks it up.
Regards
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: N120ej trails and tribulations |
Hi Carl-
My 5 and 6 are still way too hot. I just checked the log from my last fligh
t and they got to 400 f for a few seconds. The deflectors over 5 and 6 were
much larger that flight and I have cut them down a bit now, but have not f
lown it. I have the same problem you do with the oil cooler. I had refitted
it to make it at 90 degrees to the direction of flight and need to get the
cowl rebuilt, which is turning out to be quite a job. Do you have photos?
If so, it would be nice if you could put an album together too. To get an a
lbum, you need to e-mail Steve Dunsmuir at sdunsmuir@mac.com. He will set u
p your gallery and you can then add anything you want to it. I am talking t
o some of the guys on the Jabiru forum about it too and they have some good
ideas. If you have your oil cooler whipped, that may be part of the proble
m. Bud is of the opinion that the exhaust from the cooler may create a high
pressure area just under the cylinders, making it difficult for the air to
get through to the low pressure area in the bottom of the cowl. I think he
is build a baffle behind the cooler to deflect the exhaust from it.
Jim
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From: "Carl Meek" <carlmeek@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:45:55 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: N120ej trails and tribulations
These are nice clear photos. How successful are you so far? I'm doing exact
ly the Same cooling project on my Europa.
Yesterday we installed baffles in the plenums (which were previously just p
lain).
I also have a new bottom lip on the cowl, like yours but a little bigger
I also have a tight plenum around the oil cooler.
Before the plenum baffles, cylinder 3 was hottest.
Now cylinder 6 is hottest... I think we need to reduce that baffle a bit.
After climbing on full power at 85kts I had to level out at 750 feet to coo
l down, OAT was 25. Cylinder 6 kit 170. Hottest other cylinder was 159.
Obviously once we even them out a bit, and 6 stops being quite so problemat
ic, it will be much better... But I'm interested to know what sort of max t
emps after climb I should be looking for.
I'm running out of ideas on what to do next! Any suggestions?
Regards
Carl.
Sent from my iPad
On 24 Jul 2012, at 02:10, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote:
Fred-
I opened an album and put a few pictures of what I have done for cooling on
the Europaowners web site. You need to go to page 4 on the site to find my
album. The sit is not terribly inuitive but easy to use once you get used
to it.
Jim
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Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:53:32 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: N120ej trails and tribulations
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit cover - Any colour as long as it's white |
All this theory is very good, but 2 questions:
1. Why was the cockpit temperature so high? (subjectively measured by sweating
pilots)
2. What do we practical builders and pilots (uneducated in the science of heat
transfer) do to keep our aircraft cool in the sun - i.e. what type of cover is
best?
Thanks in advance,
Paul :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit cover - Any colour as long as it's white |
Maybe a space blanket with a cotton backing would be ok
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Europaul383
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:08 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cockpit cover - Any colour as long as it's white
All this theory is very good, but 2 questions:
1. Why was the cockpit temperature so high? (subjectively measured by
sweating pilots)
2. What do we practical builders and pilots (uneducated in the science of
heat transfer) do to keep our aircraft cool in the sun - i.e. what type of
cover is best?
Thanks in advance,
Paul :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. |
Hello Peter
I had another look today, pushed and pull the wheel strut, measured the tips,all
OK, so think it may have been like it for some time, maybe the way it was made
, or maybe it been pushed in by jacking the aircraft up, had a bird strike
the other day, a crow hit during flare-out missed the prop but head a thud on
that side,looked all over aircraft at the time could not find any damage but maybe
this caused the dent, unusual place to hit, i will post a couple of photo,s
next time so you can have a look.
Regards
Alan
, unusual place but maybe this caused then dent.
However i will post a photo next time so you can have a look.
All the best.
Alan
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| Subject: | Flying within the UK Olympic Restricted Zone |
Hi all,
I know this is a UK specific problem but I thought it best to let as many
know as possible.
We have in the UK a 1 month massive restricted area around London whilst the
Olympics are on.
I have made a few flights under the file a flight plan system (where a text
message is sent accepting the flight plan with an Acceptance Code) all with
no problem, but today was a bit different, and as I have heard of another
person suffering exactly the same problem then it is obviously something
that we all need to be aware of.
I made my first flight down to Sandown with no problems, but on the return
flight, when I called up Atlas Control and gave them my Acceptance Code
Number I was informed that the code was incorrect and I could not enter the
Restricted Zone. This continued for some considerable time with no resolve
and in the end I had to accept a diversion to Lydd to file a new flight plan
to get back to my destination.
Just before I landed at Lydd I was asked to contact Atlas Control and I was
told that it was now ok for me to continue to my original destination but to
contact the Supervisor by phone when I landed.
The phone call clarified the problem. Apparently the text message is sent by
computer and in my case the computer failed to convert the Acceptance Code
in to an acceptable Code and left it in some sort of machine language. As I
say I have since heard of another example who had exactly the same code.
So please be aware, if you file a flight plan to fly into the UK Olympic
Restricted Zone and receive the following Acceptance Code (mmddcidinit)
please query it as this is a bogus code number.
Dave Watts
G-BXDY
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit cover - Any colour as long as it's white |
We have a very light weight, white, cockpit cover we bought from Bob Barube in
Lakeland, years ago. It keeps the cockpit nicely cool on hot summer days, by
preventing the cockpit from becoming a green house.
Regards,
Terry
XS Mono wheel N135TD
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:33 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Cockpit cover - Any colour as long as it's white
Maybe a space blanket with a cotton backing would be ok
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Europaul383
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:08 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cockpit cover - Any colour as long as it's white
All this theory is very good, but 2 questions:
1. Why was the cockpit temperature so high? (subjectively measured by
sweating pilots)
2. What do we practical builders and pilots (uneducated in the science of
heat transfer) do to keep our aircraft cool in the sun - i.e. what type of
cover is best?
Thanks in advance,
Paul :-)
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| Subject: | Flying within the UK Olympic Restricted Zone |
Dave
Thanks for highlighting this issue. I have passed it on to Atlas command to
ensure it is resolved ASAP.
Richard CC (employed by NATS)
G-RPCC XS Mono in build
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Watts
Sent: 24 July 2012 22:37
Subject: Europa-List: Flying within the UK Olympic Restricted Zone
Hi all,
I know this is a UK specific problem but I thought it best to let as many
know as possible.
We have in the UK a 1 month massive restricted area around London whilst the
Olympics are on.
I have made a few flights under the file a flight plan system (where a text
message is sent accepting the flight plan with an Acceptance Code) all with
no problem, but today was a bit different, and as I have heard of another
person suffering exactly the same problem then it is obviously something
that we all need to be aware of.
I made my first flight down to Sandown with no problems, but on the return
flight, when I called up Atlas Control and gave them my Acceptance Code
Number I was informed that the code was incorrect and I could not enter the
Restricted Zone. This continued for some considerable time with no resolve
and in the end I had to accept a diversion to Lydd to file a new flight plan
to get back to my destination.
Just before I landed at Lydd I was asked to contact Atlas Control and I was
told that it was now ok for me to continue to my original destination but to
contact the Supervisor by phone when I landed.
The phone call clarified the problem. Apparently the text message is sent by
computer and in my case the computer failed to convert the Acceptance Code
in to an acceptable Code and left it in some sort of machine language. As I
say I have since heard of another example who had exactly the same code.
So please be aware, if you file a flight plan to fly into the UK Olympic
Restricted Zone and receive the following Acceptance Code (mmddcidinit)
please query it as this is a bogus code number.
Dave Watts
G-BXDY
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. |
Thanks Alan,
I will look forward to seeing the pics.
Pete
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Carter
Sent: 24 July 2012 22:01
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear.
Hello Peter
I had another look today, pushed and pull the wheel strut, measured the
tips,all OK, so think it may have been like it for some time, maybe the way
it was made , or maybe it been pushed in by jacking the aircraft up, had a
bird strike the other day, a crow hit during flare-out missed the prop but
head a thud on that side,looked all over aircraft at the time could not find
any damage but maybe this caused the dent, unusual place to hit, i will post
a couple of photo,s next time so you can have a look.
Regards
Alan
, unusual place but maybe this caused then dent.
However i will post a photo next time so you can have a look.
All the best.
Alan
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