---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/25/12: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:56 AM - Re: Flying within the UK Olympic Restricted Zone (roddyeuropa@aol.com) 2. 04:35 AM - Re: Cockpit cover - Any colour as long as it's white (Remi Guerner) 3. 11:08 AM - Mono wheel up landing (graeme bird) 4. 11:17 AM - Re: Flying within the UK Olympic Restricted Zone (graeme bird) 5. 12:11 PM - Re: Mono wheel up landing (David Joyce) 6. 02:37 PM - Re: footage recovered (Greg Fuchs) 7. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: Cockpit cover - Any colour as long as it's white (Rob Housman) 8. 08:48 PM - Heat in the cockpit (Martin Tuck) 9. 11:19 PM - Re: Mono wheel up landing (ROBERT LINDSAY) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:56:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying within the UK Olympic Restricted Zone From: roddyeuropa@aol.com I had a different problem - got airborne and the code was rejected. Checked the code sent by SMS to my cell phone - slightly different. But that was a ccepted. So check that both codes are the same. Roddy Kesterton G-IKRK -----Original Message----- From: David Watts Sent: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 22:38 Subject: Europa-List: Flying within the UK Olympic Restricted Zone Hi all, I know this is a UK specific problem but I thought it bestto let as many kn ow as possible. We have in the UK a 1 month massive restricted area aroundLondon whilst the Olympics are on. I have made a few flights under the file a flight plan system(where a text message is sent accepting the flight plan with an Acceptance Code)all with no problem, but today was a bit different, and as I have heard ofanother pe rson suffering exactly the same problem then it is obviouslysomething that we all need to be aware of. I made my first flight down to Sandown with no problems, buton the return f light, when I called up Atlas Control and gave them my AcceptanceCode Numbe r I was informed that the code was incorrect and I could not enterthe Restr icted Zone. This continued for some considerable time with no resolveand in the end I had to accept a diversion to Lydd to file a new flight plan toge t back to my destination. Just before I landed at Lydd I was asked to contact AtlasControl and I was told that it was now ok for me to continue to my originaldestination but to contact the Supervisor by phone when I landed. The phone call clarified the problem. Apparently the textmessage is sent by computer and in my case the computer failed to convert theAcceptance Code in to an acceptable Code and left it in some sort of machinelanguage. As I say I have since heard of another example who had exactly thesame code. So please be aware, if you file a flight plan to fly intothe UK Olympic Res tricted Zone and receive the following Acceptance Code (mmddcidinit) pl ease query it as this is a bogus code number. Dave Watts G-BXDY ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:26 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cockpit cover - Any colour as long as it's white From: "Remi Guerner" >From my experience, anything white will keep the cockpit cool and will not cause damage to the fiberglass skin. Better to have cotton cloth inside to avoid scratching the perspex and some sort of vinyl outside to prevent the cloth to absorb water in case of dew or rain. Personally I am using a homemade cover made of the sort of cloth used to make day light blocking curtains. It is very effective for keeping the cockpit cool but is not waterproof. Remi Guerner F-PGKL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379143#379143 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:08:21 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Mono wheel up landing From: "graeme bird" For a very brief moment last night I thought my wheel was stuck up. I'll chock it up and check it all out but I have wondered what the best technique would have been. I doubt the prop would clear. I guess short grass and as slow on contact and as much on the tail as possible. Would the prop just smash up or would it take the engine off? I guess that a sharpish pitch up would also encourage it down. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP Newby: 35 hours g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379168#379168 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:28 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Flying within the UK Olympic Restricted Zone From: "graeme bird" Atlas thought they saw a "yellow plane" land near Eaton Bray just in the north west edge of the zone during yesterday afternoon. First they quizzed the airfeild manager who came to the strip to quiz me. I'd seen and heard nothing. Then I flew at around 7:30, on landing 4 police came and questioned me before I had even climbed out, they put me on the phone to the CAA. Then today another call from someone else at the CAA. Same questions! the intensity is worrying - levels of paranoia very high. Everyone pleasant though. We are about 30 miles from the Olympic Village. Just cant work out how they saw a yellow plane. The sky is full of gliders from Dunstable. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Woodcomp 3000/W Newby: 35 hours g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379169#379169 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:36 PM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono wheel up landing Graeme, If the prop is going round you will break it and very possibly damage the engine, so if it ever does happen for real deliberately stop the engine on final approach to protect the engine, and you just might be lucky and get it to stop in the one blade up & two down position where you can hope to avoid breaking the prop too. I once flew through some rotor in the Welsh mountains and found that the severe turbulence moved the joint in the gear lever so that when I came to put the gear down the lever was about 1/4" from the detent. I flew away from the circuit to consider my options, but found it actually yielded to main force (pulling hard with my right hand whilst thumping that hand with my left fist), but two points worth mentioning: 1) If the plane is still flying properly go away somewhere and at a safe height do your fiddling. You do not need serious distractions at circuit height. 2) With time to reflect on it, I realise that it would have been OK to land with it as far down as it was, as the gear had reached its stop and the mechanism would have been over centre, and with a hand on the knob to stop any impact rattling it out of that position landing would have been no problem Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:07:24 -0700 "graeme bird" wrote: > > >For a very brief moment last night I thought my wheel was >stuck up. I'll chock it up and check it all out but I >have wondered what the best technique would have been. I >doubt the prop would clear. I guess short grass and as >slow on contact and as much on the tail as possible. >Would the prop just smash up or would it take the engine >off? > > I guess that a sharpish pitch up would also encourage it >down. > > -------- > Graeme Bird > G-UMPY > Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP > Newby: 35 hours > g(at)gdbmk.co.uk > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379168#379168 > > > > > > > >Un/Subscription, >Forums! >Admin. > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:38 PM PST US From: "Greg Fuchs " Subject: RE: Europa-List: footage recovered HaHa! Funny bone tickled a bit! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 6:45 PM Subject: Europa-List: footage recovered long lost video of lunar landing recovered... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW6DuPQzyBU&feature=player_embedded do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:42 PM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Cockpit cover - Any colour as long as it's white To avoid offending anyone else I will opt out of further discussion on this subject, so others will have to answer your query. Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, California Europa XS Rotax 914 S/N A070 Airframe complete Avionics soon -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Europaul383 Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:08 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cockpit cover - Any colour as long as it's white --> All this theory is very good, but 2 questions: 1. Why was the cockpit temperature so high? (subjectively measured by sweating pilots) 2. What do we practical builders and pilots (uneducated in the science of heat transfer) do to keep our aircraft cool in the sun - i.e. what type of cover is best? Thanks in advance, Paul :-) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379111#379111 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:29 PM PST US From: Martin Tuck Subject: Europa-List: Heat in the cockpit I was interested to read the recent commentary regarding trying various covers to keep the Europa cockpit cool. I keep my Europa hangared but I suspect the cockpit temperatures are likely close to ambient. I'm attaching an image of our weeks weather from the local TV station. Note, current temperature reading at 10.30 pm. Waiting for some cooler weather .... Regards, Martin Tuck Wichita, Kansas ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:04 PM PST US From: "ROBERT LINDSAY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono wheel up landing I can tell you what happened on an unintended wheels up landing on a runway in an XS monowheel with a two bladed Whirl Wind prop. Power was at idle and tail wheel touched down nicely but blades of turning prop had to be replaced (constant speed hub was OK--blades actually bent over then sprung back!) Main wheel was forced farther up into the wheel well about two inches but caused only rubbing damage. Minor damage to port outrigger fairing easily repaired (no passenger). Main wheel was jammed beyond normal up position but easily unjammed as aircraft was held aloft by hoist attached to engine mount. Engine passed sudden engine stoppage tests. Bob Lindsay N77EU ----- Original Message ----- From: "graeme bird" Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:07 AM Subject: Europa-List: Mono wheel up landing > > For a very brief moment last night I thought my wheel was stuck up. I'll > chock it up and check it all out but I have wondered what the best > technique would have been. I doubt the prop would clear. I guess short > grass and as slow on contact and as much on the tail as possible. Would > the prop just smash up or would it take the engine off? > > I guess that a sharpish pitch up would also encourage it down. > > -------- > Graeme Bird > G-UMPY > Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP > Newby: 35 hours > g(at)gdbmk.co.uk > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379168#379168 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.