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1. 12:05 AM - Re: Re: cameras and mounting (mau11)
2. 12:27 AM - Re: cameras and mounting (Gerry Holland)
3. 01:32 AM - Re: Vapour lock? Why? (Richard Lamprey)
4. 03:12 AM - Re: door weather seals (Troy Maynor)
5. 04:39 AM - Re: cameras and mounting (Robert Borger)
6. 08:36 AM - How will it work out with a mono if history repeats itself? (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
7. 01:11 PM - Re: Re: Proposal fuel system enhancement for mogas (Neville Eyre)
8. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: Vapour lock? Pressure regulator? (Frans Veldman)
9. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: Vapour lock? Why? (Frans Veldman)
10. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Vapour lock? Pressure regulator? (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
11. 03:34 PM - AN-2 (Raimo Toivio)
12. 03:54 PM - Re: AN-2 (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
13. 04:02 PM - Re: AN-2 (Jeff)
14. 04:18 PM - Re: AN-2 (Raimo Toivio)
15. 04:31 PM - Re: AN-2 (Raimo Toivio)
16. 05:15 PM - Re: AN-2 (Robert Borger)
17. 05:37 PM - Re: AN-2 (John O'Connor)
18. 06:06 PM - Re: AN-2 (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
19. 11:01 PM - Official Europa-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
20. 11:05 PM - Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: cameras and mounting |
A camera worth looking at is the Contour Roam or N-Flight Cam.
The N-Flight Cam has a lens filter that reduces Prop blur very well and also an
inline jack plug/socket to record audio as in headsets.
It does cost $500. A 'Lite' version is available without Lens filtering and that
is around $300.
In truth the lens filter is a Neutral Density ND 4.0 filter and that can be purchased
for a few dollars from Amazon.
You'll also need a 31mm to 37mm lens converter at about $5 or the Contour Lens
kit at $25.
Prop blur is present in most of the POV Cameras. Neutral density filters can reduce
that very effectively with only small change in film appearance.
The top of the range N-Flight has GPS integral so film 'position' recorded. It
also can be blue toothed to iPhone as a Controller and viewer.
Information:
http://www.nflightcam.com/
http://contour.com/
Hope that helps.
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Vapour lock? Why? |
Frans,
In Kenya I operate my Europa classic with 912UL (ground-adjustable warpdrive prop)
from a strip at 5,500' elevation, often when airtemp is around 27-30C, therefore
density altitude is about 8500'. I use mogas unleaded (without ethanol),
which is rated at 93 Octane. My carb lines under the cowling are all shielded
with orange fire-sleave hose. I usually cruise at 8500-10500' indicated (density
altitude up to 13,000')
Sometimes, after flight and long taxi back to hangar, it runs a little rough due
I think to vapour, and only once, on a very long taxi and hold, did it really
start to splutter and the port-side carb was boiling (bubbling up into the equalizer
pipe).
On warm up from cold start, the temps have always stabilized at 70C for coolant
temp, and 60 C for oil temp, and takeoff has been fine. I have had other problems
with rough running or lack of power, which I have traced to other things...
one throttle cable not running straight and smooth (scary, I replaced the
throttle box)... and insect-blocked equalizer pipe from carb to plenum (which
caused the carb to overflow), but nothing in flight I can trace to vapour locking.
For me, take-off at 4000' is a luxury, with 5Y-LRY climbing out like a homesick
angel...
Best
Richard
Kenya
, a long taXI-BACK I only recall once having a problem with vapour locking, after
long taxi. when it ran a little rough
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| Subject: | Re: door weather seals |
Hello Bill,
I bought mine from McMaster Carr. The early classic factory supplied was too big
and closing the doors really stressed out the latches, hinges, and all the frame.
The size I ended up with worked great to seal and allows doors to be latched
easily. I may be able to research the exact number I used when I get home.
Could take a couple days before I can do it but I'm sure I have it somewhere
in my files.
Troy
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| Subject: | Re: cameras and mounting |
Michel,
I am very interested in your mounting. Looking forward to those pictures.
Thanks in advance!
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:52 AM, mau11 wrote:
Hi Graeme,
I use now a Gopro since 3 years into the cockpit.
On my first fixation I have many vibrations, and the movies are very bad.
After, I studied a new fixation system and the vibrations are stopped, movies are
stable and very good. I give to you pictures of my installation to morrow.
This advantage is to manage the Gopro in flight, and also the fixation have capability
to rotate left and right at your convenience.
Michel AUVRAY
Builder 145
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| Subject: | How will it work out with a mono if history repeats itself? |
Hi Group
I'm wondering how things would work out if the next time history
repeats itself, if the airplane of choice is a Europa mono?:
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=550FC20DBDDB521D!983&authkey=!AEa1mQIOz2RvRok
Are there any new owners of a Mono who have not yet flown their bird who
are willing to disconnect their rudder cables before they go flying, go
flying around for a week and report back to us to let us how things
went?
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Proposal fuel system enhancement for mogas |
Jonathon's point 3]
No chance of that where he lives [Scotland], the natives would never put an
ything in fuel that could be drunk !
-----Original Message-----
From: jonathanmilbank <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Tue, Jul 31, 2012 11:10 pm
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Proposal fuel system enhancement for mogas
>
An apposite saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it !"
The UK CAA advice for use of mogas has worked very well for me for more tha
n a
ecade:
1) Don't fly above 6000 ft p.a. with mogas
2) Don't fly if the temperature of fuel inside the tank exceeds 20C
3) Don't use mogas if alcohol can be detected in it
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| Subject: | Re: Vapour lock? Pressure regulator? |
Hallo Jim & Heather,
> So we're pretty confident the problem is not MOGAS.
Ok, I got multiple messages like this.
Because of these messages I set aside my vapor lock assumption and I did
some additional investigations.
Fuel filters look fine.
Fuel flow looks OK (on both individual pumps).
Fuel pressure holds ok on full power.
However...
During flight testing I could reproduce the problem (@4000 ft, 25C), if
I go to idle, wait a few seconds, and then (smoothly) open the throttle
up to 115% power. What happens then is that the fuel pressure drops for
half a second, the engine falls back in power, and then the pressure
recovers and the engine runs fine, and keeps running fine at full power
as long as I want, even on just one fuel pump. Pressure is then rock
stable at 3.8 psi, exactly the Rotax recommended value.
The short drop in fuel pressure is odd. I can't recall that I have seen
that before. (Well, not as much. I have always seen a slight movement of
the needle with significant power changes, but can't remember having
seen such a sharp drop, but maybe I don't remember it correctly).
It doesn't matter whether I have both pumps on or only one. On idle it
is 3.8 psi. on full power it is 3.8 psi, but during the transition I see
it fall back to 2 psi and then come up again.
If it would be a blocked filter then the fuel pressure should
permanently drop I think. And it should make a difference with one or
both pumps on. But it doesn't.
For the 914, the fuel pumps always have full flow. What the engine
doesn't consume is returned to the tank. From the pumps perspective,
nothing changes with different power settings.
The only plausible thing I can come up with, is that the fuel pressure
regulator is "sticky", i.e. needs to overcome some friction befor its
valve adapts to a changed pressure demand. So, if the turbo kicks in,
the airbox pressure increases so the fuel pressure has to follow. If the
fuel pressure doesn't follow I see a drop on my differential gauge and
the carbs starve for fuel. Once the pressure is restored the engine runs
fine on full power.
What I would expect though is a similar (but reversed) excursion from
full power to idle, i.e. a momentary overshoot of fuel pressure. But
this doesn't happen. I don't understand this.
So, what I would like to know:
1) Does anyone recognise these symptoms?
2) Has anyone ever had a faulty fuel pressure regulator?
3) Is it normal do see a momentary drop in fuel pressure when going from
idle to full power? (I'm not slamming the throttle open, but take one
second or so, to give carbs, prop, etc. some time to adapt).
4) If indeed this is not normal but it is not the pressure regulator,
what else could it be? Any ideas?
At least the problem seems altitude/temperature related, getting worse
with higher altitudes/higher temperatures.
Thanks everyone for convincing me that it could be something else than
vapor lock!
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Vapour lock? Why? |
On 08/01/2012 02:42 AM, h&jeuropa wrote:
> <butcher43@att.net>
>
> Forgot to mention, you talk of differential fuel pressure of 6 psi.
> Rotax specifies differential fuel pressure to be 3.63 psi nominal,
> 5.08 psi max and 2.18 psi min.
You are right. My fuel pressure is normally 3.8. Only on idle with both
pumps on the fuel pressure goes to 5.1 but falls back to 3.8 if the
engine starts to consume some more fuel.
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Vapour lock? Pressure regulator? |
Hi Frans
You mention you checked fuel flow. Did you check fuel flow to the carbs
with the fuel pressure regulator cheated to thinking it's at ~
18K?
Did you follow Rotax and replace the float pivot pins> Did you replace
the fuel pressure regulator if it was one of suspect performance as per
Rotax?
Did you check your fuel tank vent for being free and clear?
Ron Parigoris
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Hi All!
Wish us luck =93 we really need it now:
My family is flying to Budapest Hungary tomorrow. My plan is to get
during Fri-Sat a full type rating for Antonov AN-2 =93 the biggest
single piston engine machine in the world. MTOW is 5500 kgs. I need it
because we have purchased one (model =9CVIP /Safari=9D). My
plan is to fly it home direct via Slovakia, Poland, Liethuania, Latvia
and Estonia. That means 813 nm and over 2000 liters of AvGas 100LL (7000
euros). It will take time 10 hours with economy cruise 82 knots. My
Europa would do it happily in 6 hours burning not more than 130 liters
98E autofuel = 200 euros but that is a different story.
Before our dep we have a chance to enjoy World Championship Aerobatics;
last day is Saturday with giant airshow they claim.
What are we going to do with our Antonov?
That will be sensation and we will publish it asap.
All what I can say today is that all of you will get a possibility to
enjoy our plan literally if you like.
Our American friend Kim Prout knows the secret but he will not tell...
A thought flying a Russian giant with a star engine through Europa low
and slow with my family omboard makes me thrilled or mad you can
believe.
Cheers, Raimo Toivio
Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417
Updated flight hours /landings: 327 /537
37500 Lempaala
FINLAND
p +358-3-3753 777
f +358-3-3753 100
toivio@fly.to
www.rwm.fi
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Hi Raimo
Good luck on your sojourn.
Please entertain an "idiot", what is a :
"model “VIP /Safari”
A car, boat, aeroplane or other?
Whatever it is, I suspect it will not fit in the back of a Europa with 4
souls onboard.
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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Raimo,
I've had the pleasure of seeing/riding in the old Antonov. What a
magnificent bird. You'll love her...
If you ever need crew, I'd be happy to volunteer... :)
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 8/1/2012 5:33 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
> Hi All!
> Wish us luck we really need it now:
> My family is flying to Budapest Hungary tomorrow. My plan is to get
> during Fri-Sat a full type rating for Antonov AN-2 the biggest single
> piston engine machine in the world. MTOW is 5500 kgs. I need it because
> we have purchased one (model VIP /Safari). My plan is to fly it home
> direct via Slovakia, Poland, Liethuania, Latvia and Estonia. That means
> 813 nm and over 2000 liters of AvGas 100LL (7000 euros). It will take
> time 10 hours with economy cruise 82 knots. My Europa would do it
> happily in 6 hours burning not more than 130 liters 98E autofuel = 200
> euros but that is a different story.
> Before our dep we have a chance to enjoy World Championship Aerobatics;
> last day is Saturday with giant airshow they claim.
> What are we going to do with our Antonov?
> That will be sensation and we will publish it asap.
> All what I can say today is that all of you will get a possibility to
> enjoy our plan*literally* if you like.
> Our American friend Kim Prout knows the secret but he will not tell...
> A thought /flying a Russian giant with a star engine through Europa low
> and slow with my family omboard/ makes me thrilled or mad you can believe.
>
>
> Cheers, Raimo Toivio
>
> Europa A2A-ala2OK
>
> Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417
>
> Updated flight hours /landings: 327 /537
>
> 37500 Lempaala
> FINLAND
>
> p +358-3-3753 777
> f +358-3-3753 100
>
> toivio@fly.to <mailto:toivio@fly.to>
> www.rwm.fi <http://www.rwm.fi/>
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
>
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Dear Ron
AN-2 is an aircraft, not a boat or a car. Watch the attached photo in
the earlier message!. =9CVIP /Safari=9D is telling what kind
of interior there is. That means for example beds for four people and
luxury leather seats with full entertainment sets etc. Other models are
=9Cagriculture=9D, =9Cpassenger (up to 20)=9D,
=9Cgargo=9D, =9Cwater operations=9D,
=9Cmilitary=9D, =9Chospital=9D etc.
The lenght of this aircraft is 13 metres (40 feet) , it is over 19
metres (60 feet) wide and 5,5 high (17 feet). It has a single 1000 hp
radial engine. It is definetely not possible to fit in my Europa=C2=B4s
back seats because my daughters are there. That is why we are flying to
Hungary by Ryanair. That is why I have to fly AN-2 back home by my-self.
And that is why I asked you to wish me luck...
Raimo
From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: AN-2
Hi Raimo
Good luck on your sojourn.
Please entertain an "idiot", what is a :
"model =9CVIP /Safari=9D
A car, boat, aeroplane or other?
Whatever it is, I suspect it will not fit in the back of a Europa with 4
souls onboard.
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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Jeff
welcome immediately: we have on Sunday (Monday) at
least 8 free seats for individuals who would like
to experience an old fashion adventure through an
old Europe to Finland. I am going to fly low and
slow, w/o any electronics like GPS or
iPad...schedule your flight to Budapest - I have a
shuttle bus waiting there.
Look an attachment; that man visited our home
couple of the years ago. Landing right ahead to
the farmers field 300 metres /1000 feets behind
our home. He is (was) Michael Jackson=C2=B4s helicopter
pilot. Strange world.
That plane is actually more a helicopter than an
aeroplane. Stall speed around 16-20 knots.
And engine fire up process is unforgetable.
Cheers, Raimo
-----Alkuper=C3=A4inen viesti-----
From: Jeff
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: AN-2
<topglock@cox.net>
Raimo,
I've had the pleasure of seeing/riding in the old
Antonov. What a
magnificent bird. You'll love her...
If you ever need crew, I'd be happy to
volunteer... :)
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 8/1/2012 5:33 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
> Hi All!
> Wish us luck =93 we really need it now:
> My family is flying to Budapest Hungary
> tomorrow. My plan is to get
> during Fri-Sat a full type rating for Antonov
> AN-2 =93 the biggest single
> piston engine machine in the world. MTOW is 5500
> kgs. I need it because
> we have purchased one (model =9CVIP /Safari=9D). My
> plan is to fly it home
> direct via Slovakia, Poland, Liethuania, Latvia
> and Estonia. That means
> 813 nm and over 2000 liters of AvGas 100LL (7000
> euros). It will take
> time 10 hours with economy cruise 82 knots. My
> Europa would do it
> happily in 6 hours burning not more than 130
> liters 98E autofuel = 200
> euros but that is a different story.
> Before our dep we have a chance to enjoy World
> Championship Aerobatics;
> last day is Saturday with giant airshow they
> claim.
> What are we going to do with our Antonov?
> That will be sensation and we will publish it
> asap.
> All what I can say today is that all of you will
> get a possibility to
> enjoy our plan*literally* if you like.
> Our American friend Kim Prout knows the secret
> but he will not tell...
> A thought /flying a Russian giant with a star
> engine through Europa low
> and slow with my family omboard/ makes me
> thrilled or mad you can believe.
>
>
> Cheers, Raimo Toivio
>
> Europa A2A-ala2OK
>
> Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417
>
> Updated flight hours /landings: 327 /537
>
> 37500 Lempaala
> FINLAND
>
> p +358-3-3753 777
> f +358-3-3753 100
>
> toivio@fly.to <mailto:toivio@fly.to>
> www.rwm.fi <http://www.rwm.fi/>
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> <http://www.avg.com>
>
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Raimo,
AWESOME!!! The worlds largest biplane and you will have, one you lucky guy!
Best of luck on your low & slow flight back to Finland. Post pictures when you
can. I really want to see the interior.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Aug 1, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
Jeff
welcome immediately: we have on Sunday (Monday) at least 8 free seats for individuals
who would like to experience an old fashion adventure through an old Europe
to Finland. I am going to fly low and slow, w/o any electronics like GPS
or iPad...schedule your flight to Budapest - I have a shuttle bus waiting there.
Look an attachment; that man visited our home couple of the years ago. Landing
right ahead to the farmers field 300 metres /1000 feets behind our home. He is
(was) Michael Jacksons helicopter pilot. Strange world.
That plane is actually more a helicopter than an aeroplane. Stall speed around
16-20 knots.
And engine fire up process is unforgetable.
Cheers, Raimo
-----Alkuperinen viesti----- From: Jeff
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: AN-2
Raimo,
I've had the pleasure of seeing/riding in the old Antonov. What a
magnificent bird. You'll love her...
If you ever need crew, I'd be happy to volunteer... :)
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 8/1/2012 5:33 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
> Hi All!
> Wish us luck we really need it now:
> My family is flying to Budapest Hungary tomorrow. My plan is to get
> during Fri-Sat a full type rating for Antonov AN-2 the biggest single
> piston engine machine in the world. MTOW is 5500 kgs. I need it because
> we have purchased one (model VIP /Safari). My plan is to fly it home
> direct via Slovakia, Poland, Liethuania, Latvia and Estonia. That means
> 813 nm and over 2000 liters of AvGas 100LL (7000 euros). It will take
> time 10 hours with economy cruise 82 knots. My Europa would do it
> happily in 6 hours burning not more than 130 liters 98E autofuel = 200
> euros but that is a different story.
> Before our dep we have a chance to enjoy World Championship Aerobatics;
> last day is Saturday with giant airshow they claim.
> What are we going to do with our Antonov?
> That will be sensation and we will publish it asap.
> All what I can say today is that all of you will get a possibility to
> enjoy our plan*literally* if you like.
> Our American friend Kim Prout knows the secret but he will not tell...
> A thought /flying a Russian giant with a star engine through Europa low
> and slow with my family omboard/ makes me thrilled or mad you can believe.
>
>
> Cheers, Raimo Toivio
>
> Europa A2A-ala2OK
>
> Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417
>
> Updated flight hours /landings: 327 /537
>
> 37500 Lempaala
> FINLAND
>
> p +358-3-3753 777
> f +358-3-3753 100
>
> toivio@fly.to <mailto:toivio@fly.to>
> www.rwm.fi <http://www.rwm.fi/>
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
>
browse
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Forums!
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On 02/08/12 11:18, Raimo Toivio wrote:
> ... That is why we are flying to
> Hungary by Ryanair. ...
>
> And that is why I asked you to wish me luck...
Good luck with Ryanair. :)
(Only kidding - they are much better than most folks will credit.)
John
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Hi Raimo
OK got it!
I only wish I was as lucky of an "idiot" as you!
I once saw a race between a 15 speed bicycle and a AN-2 down the runway @
Sussex New Jersey USA, the AN-2 lost and there was not much wind!
I think if perhaps you got chummy with a friendly "black hole",
you may in fact be able to squeeze an AN-2 in the back of your
Europa.
What an experience, enjoy.
Ron Parigoris>
> AN-2 is an aircraft, not a boat or a car. Watch the attached photo
in the
> earlier message!. €œVIP /Safari€ is
telling what kind of interior there
> is. That means for example beds for four people and luxury leather
seats
> with full entertainment sets etc. Other models are
€œagriculture€,
> €œpassenger (up to 20)€,
€œgargo€, €œwater
operations€,
> €œmilitary€,
€œhospital€ etc.
>
> The lenght of this aircraft is 13 metres (40 feet) , it is over 19
metres
> (60 feet) wide and 5,5 high (17 feet). It has a single 1000 hp
radial
> engine. It is definetely not possible to fit in my
Europas back seats
> because my daughters are there. That is why we are flying to Hungary
by
> Ryanair. That is why I have to fly AN-2 back home by my-self.
>
> And that is why I asked you to wish me luck..
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Europa-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Europa-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Europa-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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