---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/03/12: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:06 AM - Re: AN-2 (tennant) 2. 01:16 AM - Re: Re: cameras and mounting (Carl Pattinson) 3. 01:19 AM - Re: AN-2 (Richard Lamprey) 4. 03:52 AM - Re: Re: cameras and mounting (Pete) 5. 04:53 AM - Re: Vapour lock? Pressure regulator? (h&jeuropa) 6. 05:22 AM - Re: Vapour lock? Pressure regulator? (Remi Guerner) 7. 12:58 PM - First Saturday Fly-Ins at KEHR, Henderson, KY (Steve Eberhart) 8. 04:27 PM - Re: AN-2 (Kingsley Hurst) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:19 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: AN-2 From: "tennant" Raimo, Have you seen the German registered AN2's? Because of our "Greens" they have a silencer mounted on the side that looks like a 200 liter oil drum!! I am sure that it does not affect the wonderful aerodynamics at all though. A lot quieter though, inside and out. I have met a family of campers in one on Endelava. Better that towing a caravan through Europe. Have fun. Barry -------- Barry Tennant D-EHBT At EDLM - Germany Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379925#379925 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:43 AM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: cameras and mounting Hi Pete, The Youtube clip is really clear and steady (no vibration). How is the camera mounted onto the airframe. I had real problems with vibration from the airframe. The only way I managed to iron these out was to mount camera (it's a bullet camera) on the headset side but only problem is that every time I turn my head the field of view changes which doesn't make for good viewing. The camera is a VIO pov camera which in itself is excellent as the camera and control box are separate - you can see what the lens is seeing in real time. Just need to find a way of damping out the vibrations. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Zutrauen Sent: 02 August 2012 15:03 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: cameras and mounting Hi John, I'd be really interested in seeing some of your vids! They would be inspirational for my build. I'd be happy to pay you for a DVD or two :-) Since getting back into the air last November I've also been videoing my every flight (in a group-owned 1946 Fleet Canuck sadly - but it is a tailwheel and does have a stick :-) Taking vids started out as a way for my ailing father to go flying with me vicariously (which he enjoys immensely), but I also see the value in reviewing my flights and performance (or lack of it). Here's a short 1080i (one has to select the higher resolution) example I threw up on youtube from last winter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACiM2u0YTvw I find the GoPro2 to be a great little camera - and even in the noisy/shaky canuck, the vids come out clear except for some vibration through the resonance point. I attempted to smooth it out with by adding weight to the camera with mixed results. I am using the rubber-ball ram mount system (clamped to a cross bar behind my head) which obviously has some flex due to the rubber. I bought a couple of earbud-size mics and velcroed them into my A20 headset (Did I mention the Canuck is *noisy*?), to get some background engine noise/music/atc into the vid. I picked them up them from: http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-BMC-2 The GoPro2 also takes great still photos. The resolution from even 1080i frame grabs is pretty darn good. Cheers, Pete On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:47 AM, John Wighton wrote: > > > I have a GoPro mounted inside the cockpit attached to the roof centre bar just behind my head. A std sticky GoPro supplied pad adhered 100% to the surface. I use the invert function in the camera as it is mounted upside down. > > I have a second mount external in a similar position but as far fwd on the T bar (fits between the doors when they are both up). The sticky pad mount is almost impossible to remove, so beware. > > Interestingly the speed seem to reduce 7kts when the camera is on the outside. > > I try to film every flight and correlate the GPS tracks and film in a library. Its good to analyse your own performance, check speeds and record all the instruments. I discovered that l check the brakes (trigear finger brakes) 3 times during a t/o roll! I also found out l rock the wings a lot! > > There is no shake, rattle or shimmy with the GoPro - set to 720i resolution. The prop does not intrude in the picture. > > I will also try the suction mount on the wingtip soon, possibly with some wool tufts to show breakaway during stalls. > > Regards > John > > -------- > John Wighton > Europa XS trigear G-IPOD > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379853#379853 > > _______________________________________ No infections found in this incoming message Scanned by iolo System ShieldR http://www.iolo.com _______________________________________ No infections found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo System Shield http://www.iolo.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:48 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: AN-2 From: "Richard Lamprey" Raimo, I understand that the AN-2 controls are so heavy that you have to be a Russian weightlifter to fly it. Heres a picture of an AN-2 I came across at the remote northern Uganda airfield of Arua in June 2010, on border with South Sudan and Democratic Republic of Congo. It was used by the Uganda army (UPDF), who had chartered it from an Israeli operator, for flying supplies to their forward bases in Congo against rebels. This cargo consisted mostly of bananas and US military advisers. They kindly let me on board for a photo of the panel (see attached). Sadly, it crashed six months later (see attached), nobody (11 on board) was hurt, which says alot about the slow landing speed, all that was left was the frame and a heap of smoking bananas. I attach a report of the crash in Russian international press. Apparently the plane had no paperwork of any kind, Certificate of Airworthiness or anything, so it is amazing it was flown across Africa to that remote spot. Have a great time, I am highly envious! Best Richard Kenya .. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379926#379926 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wwwmail_archivecom_ugandanetkymnet_msg27349_931.pdf http://forums.matronics.com//files/antonov_crash_159.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p5050012_140.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc_0003_en_132.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:26 AM PST US From: Pete Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: cameras and mounting Hi Carl, The Canuck is one very vibrating and noisy fabric and tube airplane (a C-85 with a currently unbalanced prop), and I was very surprised that the camera image didn't shake more. It does "swim" a bit in the video if you look closely when the airframe meets the mount's resonance frequency. Because the aircraft is tube&rag, mount is a combination of RAM parts: http://www.gpscity.ca/ram-mount-steel-u-bolt-motorcycle-mount-base-ram-b-231u.html http://www.gpscity.ca/ram-mount-long-arm-b-socket-ram-b-201u-c.html http://www.gpscity.ca/ram-mount-camera-mount-mini-plate-rap-b-366u.html + the stock GoProHero2 mount. I noticed that when I made the mount longer with another length and a 'joiner' the resonant frequency changed as expected. I fabricated a 1 lb steel wieght and tried it on the camera end of the mount in a hope that the resonant freq would decrease below idle, but I found i would need much more weight and stopped using it. The Hero2 doesn't advertise image stabilization, and when hand-held seems to b e very jumpy, but on the (vibrating) airframe its pretty good as the vid showed. Better than expected on my trail-ridden dual sport motorcycle too. The colours are better than that video depicts, as that was a very grey/dark day here in springtime Ottawa, Canada. After reviewing many cameras, the Hero2 came out with the best quality, and I have been very happy with it. Cheers, Pete On Aug 3, 2012, at 4:16 AM, "Carl Pattinson" wrote: > > Hi Pete, > > The Youtube clip is really clear and steady (no vibration). How is the > camera mounted onto the airframe. > > I had real problems with vibration from the airframe. > > The only way I managed to iron these out was to mount camera (it's a bullet > camera) on the headset side but only problem is that every time I turn my > head the field of view changes which doesn't make for good viewing. > > The camera is a VIO pov camera which in itself is excellent as the camera > and control box are separate - you can see what the lens is seeing in real > time. > > Just need to find a way of damping out the vibrations. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Zutrauen > Sent: 02 August 2012 15:03 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: cameras and mounting > > > Hi John, > > I'd be really interested in seeing some of your vids! They would be > inspirational for my build. I'd be happy to pay you for a DVD or two > :-) > > Since getting back into the air last November I've also been videoing my > every flight (in a group-owned 1946 Fleet Canuck sadly - but it is > a tailwheel and does have a stick :-) Taking vids started out as a > way for my ailing father to go flying with me vicariously (which he enjoys > immensely), but I also see the value in reviewing my flights and performance > (or lack of it). Here's a short 1080i (one has to select the higher > resolution) example I threw up on youtube from last > winter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACiM2u0YTvw > > I find the GoPro2 to be a great little camera - and even in the noisy/shaky > canuck, the vids come out clear except for some vibration through the > resonance point. I attempted to smooth it out with by adding weight to the > camera with mixed results. I am using the rubber-ball ram mount system > (clamped to a cross bar behind my head) which obviously has some flex due to > the rubber. > > I bought a couple of earbud-size mics and velcroed them into my A20 headset > (Did I mention the Canuck is *noisy*?), to get some background engine > noise/music/atc into the vid. I picked them up them from: > http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-BMC-2 > > The GoPro2 also takes great still photos. The resolution from even 1080i > frame grabs is pretty darn good. > > Cheers, > Pete > > > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:47 AM, John Wighton wrote: >> >> >> I have a GoPro mounted inside the cockpit attached to the roof centre bar > just behind my head. A std sticky GoPro supplied pad adhered 100% to the > surface. I use the invert function in the camera as it is mounted upside > down. >> >> I have a second mount external in a similar position but as far fwd on the > T bar (fits between the doors when they are both up). The sticky pad mount > is almost impossible to remove, so beware. >> >> Interestingly the speed seem to reduce 7kts when the camera is on the > outside. >> >> I try to film every flight and correlate the GPS tracks and film in a > library. Its good to analyse your own performance, check speeds and record > all the instruments. I discovered that l check the brakes (trigear finger > brakes) 3 times during a t/o roll! I also found out l rock the wings a > lot! >> >> There is no shake, rattle or shimmy with the GoPro - set to 720i > resolution. The prop does not intrude in the picture. >> >> I will also try the suction mount on the wingtip soon, possibly with some > wool tufts to show breakaway during stalls. >> >> Regards >> John >> >> -------- >> John Wighton >> Europa XS trigear G-IPOD >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379853#379853 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > _______________________________________ > No infections found in this incoming message Scanned by iolo System ShieldR > http://www.iolo.com > > > > _______________________________________ > No infections found in this outgoing message > Scanned by iolo System Shield > http://www.iolo.com > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:20 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Vapour lock? Pressure regulator? From: "h&jeuropa" Hi Frans, > So, what I would like to know: > 1) Does anyone recognise these symptoms? > 2) Has anyone ever had a faulty fuel pressure regulator? > 3) Is it normal do see a momentary drop in fuel pressure when going from > idle to full power? (I'm not slamming the throttle open, but take one > second or so, to give carbs, prop, etc. some time to adapt). > 4) If indeed this is not normal but it is not the pressure regulator, > what else could it be? Any ideas? > > We replaced our fuel regulator when trying to figure out why our pressure varied about +/- .5 psi. The old regulator diaphragm had a funny appearance that the Rotax tech hadn't seen before. It's a pretty simple device and you can open it and clean the valve inside. We do not see a change in fuel pressure when going from idle to 100% power (we haven't found a need to use 115% power even at high density altitude) and our EFIS is set to alarm at +/- .5 psi from nominal. We think Remi is on the right track. Jim & Heather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379932#379932 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:46 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Vapour lock? Pressure regulator? From: "Remi Guerner" Hi Frans, A word of caution when running the engine with the TCU inactive: do not overboost the engine. Let say you turn off the TCU at full power at 4000 ft; then at a lower altitude the fixed wastegate will allow the engine at full throttle to produce more than 115% power. I also suggest you reduce power before switching the TCU back on. Hope that helps. Remi Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379935#379935 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:11 PM PST US From: Steve Eberhart Subject: Europa-List: First Saturday Fly-Ins at KEHR, Henderson, KY We will be preparing Hamburgers, Brats and NATHANS FAMOUS Hot Dogs for all that fly in. Just as New York's 21 Club has become known as the HAPPENING PLACE to be and be seen, EAA 21 Club is the place to be on the first Saturday of each month. When: August 4, September 1, October 6, 2012 10:00 AM till 2:00 PM Central time. Where: Henderson Kentucky City-County Airport (KEHR) If KEHR is VFR then we will be cooking the best Gourmet Burgers, Brats and Dogs this side of Sporty's. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: AN-2 From: Kingsley Hurst >>> I wonder how much Finns will pay to join the "Mile High Club"? Fred, please vacate your workshop and go and wash your mouth out with soap a nd water!! While you are doing it, I'm sure Raimo will be personally gathering the requ ired data! Have been charging around in the 914 most of the week and loving it. 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