---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/08/12: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:15 AM - Re: N120ej trails and tribulations (Carl Meek) 2. 01:18 AM - Re: Europa XS Trigear G-CGZV Update (G-IANI) 3. 01:46 AM - Re: Winching attachment points to Tri Gear for Trailering (Frans Veldman) 4. 04:44 AM - Re: Winching attachment points to Tri Gear for Trailering (David Watts) 5. 07:11 AM - Dimensions and source fuel filler pipe rubber? (zwakie) 6. 07:56 AM - Re: Europa XS Trigear G-CGZV Update (Mark Burton) 7. 08:29 AM - Re: Dimensions and source fuel filler pipe rubber? (PHILLIPS I) 8. 01:32 PM - Re: Dimensions and source fuel filler pipe rubber? (zwakie) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: N120ej trails and tribulations From: Carl Meek I am enjoying reading this discussion.... We are going through the same ours elves. Here is my dynon screen of progress so far, this is in steady cruise . I am wondering if fuel burn is a bit too high still. We have just reduced damming on cylinder 6 so hopefully it will come down a bit. Egt still very u neven. Sent from my iPhone
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:45 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa XS Trigear G-CGZV Update Richard Congratulations on getting the testing finished. The Europa stall warner does have its idiosyncrasies. It will "bleat" at you taxing down wind, parked tail to wind, gusty day and in the hanger with the doors open etc. Personally I have it connected after the master switch so avoiding the hanger problem. In general it works well and my definition of a tidy landing is when the wheel touch on velvet and the stall warner goes off at exactly the same time. The stall strips do help define the stall, seem to offer no performance penalty and are worth putting on. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Collings Sent: 06 August 2012 21:57 Subject: Europa-List: Europa XS Trigear G-CGZV Update Andy Draper has now completed the test flying and conducted a full flight test all is now OK and I am waiting for the Permit to fly. We did have a lot of trouble calibrating the ASI,the problem was traced to the static probe, my original had only 2 holes in the plastic end where as the drawing shows 4. My thanks to Ian Rickard for having a spare which once fitted reduced the error to +2 kts at 60 IAS from 2.5 and -3 kts at 120 IAS from -6 kts. We also have had a lot of trouble setting the stall Warner, its fine in the air and we have set it up to sound about 8kts before the stall, however it comes on in the hanger on its own. I reached a decision that we were never going to get the stall Warner to work properly so fitted stall strips as per the "Owners Manual", we now have a very predictable stall with buffet about 2-3 knots before. Has anyone else experienced this problem? The only other thing we had to do was reduce the max cause pitch setting on the Woodcomp SR3000 prop so as to attain the min climb performance of 300ft/min required by the LAA. I have bought a covered trailer to store ZV in which means that I now have a purpose built open Tri-gear trailer for sale. its in good order freshly painted and serviced anyone in the UK interested? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:46:04 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Winching attachment points to Tri Gear for Trailering On 08/08/2012 05:14 AM, Bud Yerly wrote: > I prefer to pull the aircraft facing forward on my dual axel trailer. In the Netherlands, and I think in most of Europe, you need a special driving licence for such a trailer. And there are restrictions on the type of car used to tow it. Furthermore, such a trailer needs to be registered and you can not build it yourself. I have the required license and the required type of car, but I had to give up on getting the custom trailer licensed. It is far easier here to get a registration for a homebuilt airplane than for a custom built trailer. So, I'm forced to keep the trailer unlicensed, and that means that it is limited to a total weight of 750 Kg's (including the load) and "single axle" (which may also be dual axle provided the axles are adjacent to each other). In such a situation, (especially with "one" axle) it is best to load the airplane backwards so the trailer's axle can be close to the rear. You are right about the rudder lock, that is really necessary, but for the rest I don't see any disadvantages. There is another advantage: if I unload the airplane on our local grass strip I can just hop in and taxi away, no need to replace the trailer or to turn the aircraft around in the grass. This is really convenient. > My plane does have my custom wheel pants that are hinged so it only > takes three screws to undo the pant, flip it up out of the way and strap > down the wheel. Any pictures about these wheel pants? Frans ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:49 AM PST US From: "David Watts" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Winching attachment points to Tri Gear for Trailering Frans, That all sounds a bit draconian. Here in the UK we are not restricted, and can freely build our own trailers. (I speak from experience having built 10 trailers in my time, including my enclosed Europa Mono trailer). Our main restrictions are a max all up weight of 3500 Kgs provided the tow car has a specification to tow it and properly approved tow hook assembly and suspension plus the usual brakes on trailers over 750 Kgs and lights etc. Dave Watts G-BXDY -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman Sent: 08 August 2012 10:39 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Winching attachment points to Tri Gear for Trailering On 08/08/2012 05:14 AM, Bud Yerly wrote: > I prefer to pull the aircraft facing forward on my dual axel trailer. In the Netherlands, and I think in most of Europe, you need a special driving licence for such a trailer. And there are restrictions on the type of car used to tow it. Furthermore, such a trailer needs to be registered and you can not build it yourself. I have the required license and the required type of car, but I had to give up on getting the custom trailer licensed. It is far easier here to get a registration for a homebuilt airplane than for a custom built trailer. So, I'm forced to keep the trailer unlicensed, and that means that it is limited to a total weight of 750 Kg's (including the load) and "single axle" (which may also be dual axle provided the axles are adjacent to each other). In such a situation, (especially with "one" axle) it is best to load the airplane backwards so the trailer's axle can be close to the rear. You are right about the rudder lock, that is really necessary, but for the rest I don't see any disadvantages. There is another advantage: if I unload the airplane on our local grass strip I can just hop in and taxi away, no need to replace the trailer or to turn the aircraft around in the grass. This is really convenient. > My plane does have my custom wheel pants that are hinged so it only > takes three screws to undo the pant, flip it up out of the way and strap > down the wheel. Any pictures about these wheel pants? Frans ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:34 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Dimensions and source fuel filler pipe rubber? From: "zwakie" Hi All, Can anyone tell me what type of rubber to use to connect the tank to the aluminium elbow of the fuel filler pipe? Also, what are it's dimensions (inner-outer diameter and appr. length), and where can I best buy this? Also, I could do with a little advise on the clips to use. I read somewhere on the forum to disregard jubilee-clips, and instead use 'round-automotive' ones. I don't remember who wrote that, and if that statement still holds. If someone could please advise on brand/partnumbers for these clips, that would be awesome. A speedy response and advise would be very welcome, since I need to replace it before next flight which is planned early next week... Thanks in advance! -------- Marcel (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380380#380380 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:52 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa XS Trigear G-CGZV Update From: "Mark Burton" Hi Ian, > The stall strips do help define the stall, seem to offer no performance penalty and are worth putting on. True, but it's worth remembering that if the aircraft is vibrating a lot (due to the engine running very roughly), the pre-stall buffet is quite likely to be undetectable. Having been in that situation (engine running so roughly as to make continued flight impossible), I am pretty sure that if the speed had decreased sufficiently for the stall strips to become effective, the first thing I would have noticed was the wing dropping. Even with the stall strips fitted, the speed margin between buffet and stall on a Europa can be uncomfortably small. It's all very well doing a few stalls at height in an LAA flight test and happily noting down that there's 3kt (or whatever) buffet margin but in a real engine failure situation the pilot is under real pressure and that small margin is likely to come and go without them noticing. Cheers, Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380382#380382 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dimensions and source fuel filler pipe rubber? From: PHILLIPS I Hi Marcel The spring type clips tend to come in smaller sizes to the size you need, I cut down my existing rubber pipe and used two small pieces to connect to the Cobra and tank using jubilee clips, I haven=92t had any problems in fiv e years, Best wishes Ivor On 8 August 2012 15:10, zwakie wrote: > > Hi All, > > Can anyone tell me what type of rubber to use to connect the tank to the > aluminium elbow of the fuel filler pipe? Also, what are it's dimensions > (inner-outer diameter and appr. length), and where can I best buy this? > > Also, I could do with a little advise on the clips to use. I read > somewhere on the forum to disregard jubilee-clips, and instead use > 'round-automotive' ones. I don't remember who wrote that, and if that > statement still holds. If someone could please advise on brand/partnumber s > for these clips, that would be awesome. > > A speedy response and advise would be very welcome, since I need to > replace it before next flight which is planned early next week... > > Thanks in advance! > > -------- > Marcel > (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380380#380380 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:38 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Dimensions and source fuel filler pipe rubber? From: "zwakie" Thank you Ivor for sharing your experience with the clips you use. Since I do not have the original rubber hose and I have not yet taken off the existing rubber hose, I am hoping that someone on the forum can provide me with inner-outer diameter and type of hose to use, so that I can get some before starting the replacement process... -------- Marcel (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380440#380440 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.