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1. 02:01 AM - Mod 77 (Frans Veldman)
2. 02:19 AM - Re: Mod 77 (craig)
3. 03:46 AM - Re: Mod 77 (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
4. 04:20 AM - Re: Mod 77 (Frans Veldman)
5. 04:44 AM - Re: Mod 77 (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
6. 04:45 AM - Re: Mod 77 (Peter Zutrauen)
7. 06:20 AM - Re: Mod 77 (klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com)
8. 09:53 AM - Re: Mod 77 (stephen vestuti)
9. 11:28 AM - Re: One lonely daughter found finally her mother (zwakie)
10. 11:45 PM - Re: Mod 77 (Steven Pitt)
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Hi,
I just completed mod 77 (rudder drive mechanism). I was surprised to
learn that I'm the first one to apply it to a finished airplane. Here is
a couple of reasons why you could do this mod:
1) Your built has long finished and you want to retaste that nostalgic
feeling? Mod 77 has it all: Some hardware assembly with rivets,
bearings, nuts and bolts, some foam carving, floxing and BIDding, and
plenty of "I can see it, I can touch it, but not at the same time"
deja-vu's, and last but not least the occasional confusion (text and
pictures both showing different rivets, parts in the bag that are not
listed or used in the project at all). It is the entire built of your
ship in a nutshell.
2) If you, like me, have the weight of your feet resting on the rudder
pedals, consider that it is the lower rudder hinge which is carrying all
this weight, and it is even offset this pulling force. Mod 77 takes all
weight from this hinge and transfers only the differential weight of
your feet to the rudder.
3) The original rudder stop works as a lever mechanism to execute a
massive pulling force on the hinge, especially if slammed to the
starboard side. Mod 77 removes the stops from the rudder and instead has
it incorporated inside the drive mechanism with much more robust parts.
4) Always had this feeling that this control wire running outside of
your ship belongs more on a piper cub than on your sleek Europa? Mod 77
eliminates this control wire, horns and stops and improves the cosmetics
of your ship.
5) This outside control horn and wire seemed to capture all the mud and
grass that the prop and wheels are slinging to this area, and then the
control wire did its best to draw it into the wire opening in the
fuselage, waiting there to jam or freeze itself stuck. Mod 77 reduces
maintenance quite a bit, the entire rudder drive is now inside the ship.
6) The control wire, control horn angled in the airstream, stops, and
rudder bottom cut-off, must create quite some aerodynamic drag. Mod 77
removes all this clutter and as a bonus you can blend in the bottom of
the rudder with the bottom of the tailpost. Probably woth a knot or two.
Oh, for those concerned about weight: The components weigh about 500
grams. But I could remove a good 350 grams of old hardware. Remember the
absurd weight of the original rudder plate, the stacks of washers, etc?
Frans
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Did mine during the build, but it was still fun and games, probably not as
much as yours though
Do not archive
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Frans=0AWhen I first developed this mod I had to load test it for the LAA.
Because of the leverage of the rudder pedals (and our strong legs)=0AIf one
pilot pushes hard left and the other one has to overide him the total load
on the hing and flange would be nearly 400 Kg.=0A7 years ago we sold our h
ouse and with it went my wonderful workshop. That meant I had to stop makin
g up Mod kits so I persuaded-=0ADavid Stanbridge that it would be a good
idea for Europa to sell this mod. It works for taildraggers too btw,-=0A
=0AWe flew my Long EZ last week for the first time in too many years, it fe
lt wonderful. I am tempted to revalidate my lisence and fly it from the fro
nt again!=0A=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Fra
ns Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent
: Friday, 10 August 2012, 10:53=0ASubject: Europa-List: Mod 77=0A =0A--> Eu
ropa-List message posted by: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>=0A=0AHi
,=0A=0AI just completed mod 77 (rudder drive mechanism). I was surprised to
=0Alearn that I'm the first one to apply it to a finished airplane. Here is
=0Aa couple of reasons why you could do this mod:=0A=0A1) Your built has lo
ng finished and you want to retaste that nostalgic=0Afeeling? Mod 77 has it
all: Some hardware assembly with rivets,=0Abearings, nuts and bolts, some
foam carving, floxing and BIDding, and=0Aplenty of "I can see it, I can tou
ch it, but not at the same time"=0Adeja-vu's, and last but not least the oc
casional confusion (text and=0Apictures both showing different rivets, part
s in the bag that are not=0Alisted or used in the project at all). It is th
e entire built of your=0Aship in a nutshell.=0A=0A2) If you, like me, have
the weight of your feet resting on the rudder=0Apedals, consider that it is
the lower rudder hinge which is carrying all=0Athis weight, and it is even
offset this pulling force. Mod 77 takes all=0Aweight from this hinge and t
ransfers only the differential weight of=0Ayour feet to the rudder.=0A=0A3)
The original rudder stop works as a lever mechanism to execute a=0Amassive
pulling force on the hinge, especially if slammed to the=0Astarboard side.
Mod 77 removes the stops from the rudder and instead has=0Ait incorporated
inside the drive mechanism with much more robust parts.=0A=0A4) Always had
this feeling that this control wire running outside of=0Ayour ship belongs
more on a piper cub than on your sleek Europa? Mod 77=0Aeliminates this co
ntrol wire, horns and stops and improves the cosmetics=0Aof your ship.=0A
=0A5) This outside control horn and wire seemed to capture all the mud and
=0Agrass that the prop and wheels are slinging to this area, and then the
=0Acontrol wire did its best to draw it into the wire opening in the=0Afuse
lage, waiting there to jam or freeze itself stuck. Mod 77 reduces=0Amainten
ance quite a bit, the entire rudder drive is now inside the ship.=0A=0A6) T
he control wire, control horn angled in the airstream, stops, and=0Arudder
bottom cut-off, must create quite some aerodynamic drag. Mod 77=0Aremoves a
ll this clutter and as a bonus you can blend in the bottom of=0Athe rudder
with the bottom of the tailpost. Probably woth a knot or two.=0A=0AOh, for
those concerned about weight: The components weigh about 500=0Agrams. But I
could remove a good 350 grams of old hardware. Remember the=0Aabsurd weigh
t of the original rudder plate, the stacks of washers, etc?=0A=0AFrans=0A
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Hi Graham!
> Because of the leverage of the rudder pedals (and our strong legs)
> If one pilot pushes hard left and the other one has to overide him the
> total load on the hing and flange would be nearly 400 Kg.
Wow! I didn't even think about an override and the leverage! 400Kg is a
lot for that poor hinge! Which brings up the question why the standard
construction is even certified... Or why this mod didn't get
incorporated in the standard kit long time ago.
> 7 years ago we sold our house and with it went my wonderful workshop:-S
I even don't want to think about loosing my workshop...
> That meant I had to stop making up Mod kits so I persuaded
> David Stanbridge that it would be a good idea for Europa to sell this
> mod.
Just putting the mod somewhere burried onto the website isn't going to
attract many customers... It took a while before I discovered its
existence, and it took me a while to realize the benefits of this mod.
> We flew my Long EZ last week for the first time in too many years, it
> felt wonderful. I am tempted to revalidate my lisence and fly it from
> the front again!
I think as a relatively newcomer I miss some history here. So you built
a long EZ?
Thanks for inventing this mod 77.
Frans
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Frans=0AThe Long EZ was the first aircraft I built, or at least the first m
odel airplane big enough to sit in! First flew=0A1985 and wore out the engi
ne in the next ten years. I've been refurbishing and upgrading ever since.
=0AIvan Shaw was a very early Rutan disciple and helped me get started, the
re were four of us building at-=0Athe time and we used to meet up in the
hills, drink beer and talk about the next great design. The goal was an air
plane that would have-=0ALong EZ performance and short field capability a
nd the Europa was Ivan's distillation of all our dreams and ideas.=0AI clai
m credit for demanding it should be deriggable in 15 minutes like any self
respecting glider. Ivan was persuaded to-=0Avisit one of my local gliding
clubs and see how they -carry on. He always recognises a good idea when
he sees one.=0ANotice the similarity of the tailplane to that of a K6E?-
=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Frans Veldman <
frans@privatepilots.nl>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, 10
August 2012, 13:12=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 77=0A =0A--> Europa-Lis
t message posted by: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>=0A=0AHi Graham!
=0A=0A> Because of the leverage of the rudder pedals (and our strong legs)
=0A> If one pilot pushes hard left and the other one has to overide him the
=0A> total load on the hing and flange would be nearly 400 Kg.=0A=0AWow! I
didn't even think about an override and the leverage! 400Kg is a=0Alot for
that poor hinge! Which brings up the question why the standard=0Aconstructi
on is even certified... Or why this mod didn't get=0Aincorporated in the st
andard kit long time ago.=0A=0A> 7 years ago we sold our house and with it
went my wonderful workshop:-S=0A=0AI even don't want to think about loosing
my workshop...=0A=0A> That meant I had to stop making up Mod kits so I per
suaded =0A> David Stanbridge that it would be a good idea for Europa to sel
l this=0A> mod.=0A=0AJust putting the mod somewhere burried onto the websit
e isn't going to=0Aattract many customers... It took a while before I disco
vered its=0Aexistence, and it took me a while to realize the benefits of th
is mod.=0A=0A> We flew my Long EZ last week for the first time in too many
years, it=0A> felt wonderful. I am tempted to revalidate my lisence and fly
it from=0A> the front again!=0A=0AI think as a relatively newcomer I miss
some history here. So you built=0Aa long EZ?=0A=0AThanks for inventing this
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Frans (and other newer members),
you may may want to read the great report of Ivan's presentation at the
last AGM in the last newsletter - what a great read! Quite the history
lesson (with Graham's contribution included I believe).
Cheers,
Pete
A239
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>wrote:
>
> Hi Graham!
>
> > Because of the leverage of the rudder pedals (and our strong legs)
> > If one pilot pushes hard left and the other one has to overide him the
> > total load on the hing and flange would be nearly 400 Kg.
>
> Wow! I didn't even think about an override and the leverage! 400Kg is a
> lot for that poor hinge! Which brings up the question why the standard
> construction is even certified... Or why this mod didn't get
> incorporated in the standard kit long time ago.
>
> > 7 years ago we sold our house and with it went my wonderful workshop:-S
>
> I even don't want to think about loosing my workshop...
>
> > That meant I had to stop making up Mod kits so I persuaded
> > David Stanbridge that it would be a good idea for Europa to sell this
> > mod.
>
> Just putting the mod somewhere burried onto the website isn't going to
> attract many customers... It took a while before I discovered its
> existence, and it took me a while to realize the benefits of this mod.
>
> > We flew my Long EZ last week for the first time in too many years, it
> > felt wonderful. I am tempted to revalidate my lisence and fly it from
> > the front again!
>
> I think as a relatively newcomer I miss some history here. So you built
> a long EZ?
>
> Thanks for inventing this mod 77.
>
> Frans
>
>
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Hi Pete,
How might we access this report?
Kevin
On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:44 AM, Peter Zutrauen <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
> Frans (and other newer members),
>
> you may may want to read the great report of Ivan's presentation at the la
st AGM in the last newsletter - what a great read! Quite the history lesson
(with Graham's contribution included I believe).
>
> Cheers,
> Pete
> A239
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl> wr
ote:
>
> Hi Graham!
>
> > Because of the leverage of the rudder pedals (and our strong legs)
> > If one pilot pushes hard left and the other one has to overide him the
> > total load on the hing and flange would be nearly 400 Kg.
>
> Wow! I didn't even think about an override and the leverage! 400Kg is a
> lot for that poor hinge! Which brings up the question why the standard
> construction is even certified... Or why this mod didn't get
> incorporated in the standard kit long time ago.
>
> > 7 years ago we sold our house and with it went my wonderful workshop:-S
>
> I even don't want to think about loosing my workshop...
>
> > That meant I had to stop making up Mod kits so I persuaded
> > David Stanbridge that it would be a good idea for Europa to sell this
> > mod.
>
> Just putting the mod somewhere burried onto the website isn't going to
> attract many customers... It took a while before I discovered its
> existence, and it took me a while to realize the benefits of this mod.
>
> > We flew my Long EZ last week for the first time in too many years, it
> > felt wonderful. I am tempted to revalidate my lisence and fly it from
> > the front again!
>
> I think as a relatively newcomer I miss some history here. So you built
> a long EZ?
>
> Thanks for inventing this mod 77.
>
> Frans
>
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Graham,
I let my license lapse in 2010, ( kids, wife, spending too much money on
myself Etc.) I revalidated 6 Months later - I couldn't stand it any more &
I was missing my Europa more & more everyday.
I hope to hear that you have flown your long Ez from the front, life is just too
short .
Steve #630
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380597#380597
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| Subject: | Re: One lonely daughter found finally her mother |
Congrats Raimo with the AN-2, please let us know when the website you mention is
on-line.
As it happens, last Sunday I had my Europa behind an Antonov for fuelling at Trier-Fhren
(EDRT). At that time your adventurous ferryflight came to my mind, silently
whishing you a good flight in blue skies :)
--------
Marcel
(Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380603#380603
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Kevin,
As a Member of the Europa Club you should be receiving the Europa Flyer
in which is contained the report on Ivan's presentation ( as well as a
fantastic photo montage of Flying to Kitty Hawk by Troy and Donna
Maynor).
I have been trying to persuade our Treasurer (who shot a video of the
presentation) to get it on You Tube or whatever but he has a Europa to
build (which we keep on nagging him to finish)so he is finding time
difficult to edit the video.
Regards
Steve Pitt
Chairman, Europa Club
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From: klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 77
Hi Pete,
How might we access this report?
Kevin
On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:44 AM, Peter Zutrauen <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
wrote:
Frans (and other newer members),
you may may want to read the great report of Ivan's presentation at
the last AGM in the last newsletter - what a great read! Quite the
history lesson (with Graham's contribution included I believe).
Cheers,
Pete
A239
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Frans Veldman
<frans@privatepilots.nl> wrote:
<frans@privatepilots.nl>
Hi Graham!
> Because of the leverage of the rudder pedals (and our strong
legs)
> If one pilot pushes hard left and the other one has to overide
him the
> total load on the hing and flange would be nearly 400 Kg.
Wow! I didn't even think about an override and the leverage! 400Kg
is a
lot for that poor hinge! Which brings up the question why the
standard
construction is even certified... Or why this mod didn't get
incorporated in the standard kit long time ago.
> 7 years ago we sold our house and with it went my wonderful
workshop:-S
I even don't want to think about loosing my workshop...
> That meant I had to stop making up Mod kits so I persuaded
> David Stanbridge that it would be a good idea for Europa to sell
this
> mod.
Just putting the mod somewhere burried onto the website isn't
going to
attract many customers... It took a while before I discovered its
existence, and it took me a while to realize the benefits of this
mod.
> We flew my Long EZ last week for the first time in too many
years, it
> felt wonderful. I am tempted to revalidate my lisence and fly it
from
> the front again!
I think as a relatively newcomer I miss some history here. So you
built
a long EZ?
Thanks for inventing this mod 77.
Frans
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