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1. 01:42 AM - AW: Fresh air Vents (UVTREITH)
2. 02:52 AM - Garmin GPS, Dynon HS34 and SL30 connections. (John Wighton)
3. 03:47 AM - Re: Fresh air Vents (G-IANI)
4. 04:46 AM - Cowl measurement question.... (Peter Zutrauen)
5. 05:43 AM - Re: Fresh air Vents (klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com)
6. 07:08 AM - Re: Cowl measurement question.... (Jeremy Fisher)
7. 07:22 AM - Le Touquet (David Joyce)
8. 11:25 AM - Re: outrigger legs (Remi Guerner)
9. 12:34 PM - crowbar component location for rotax installation (Rowland Carson)
10. 01:30 PM - rotax integrated alternator warning light (Rowland Carson)
11. 01:33 PM - Re: Garmin GPS, Dynon HS34 and SL30 connections. (ploucandco)
12. 02:44 PM - Re: crowbar component location for rotax installation (Bud Yerly)
13. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: Winching attachment points to Tri Gear for Trailering (Bud Yerly)
14. 06:53 PM - Re: Re: Winching attachment points to Tri Gear for Trailering (Fred Klein)
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Hi Carl,
I have used the F27 ceiling panel without the holes for the headset
connectors, installed swivel ball vents on each side and made a flap with a
lever to open and close the fresh air inlet.
This works fine and provides enough fresh air to keep your head cool.
Best Regards,
Bruno
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Gesendet: Montag, 13. August 2012 01:08
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Europa-List: Fresh air Vents
Hi,
Does anybody have a mod/ design for a vent that can easily be fitted to an
existing installation.
I believe the front screen is a structural component so can't be altered but
presumably the side screens could have a vent installed.
I believe that Spruce and Speciality sells design that can simply be bolted
into a circular hole cut through the Perspex.
For obvious reasons an approved mod would be preferred.
Thanks
Carl Pattinson
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Subject: | Garmin GPS, Dynon HS34 and SL30 connections. |
Hello,
I am hard wiring a Garmin 795 into my Europa. The bare wire kit allows connections
to my Sl30 and Dynon kit. However, the audio connections are puzzling me.
There are 3 wires, L, R and common.
My original plan was to wire these to an existing audio socket (aux for music etc).
Garmin said use the L and R wires only connecting to the 2terminals on the
audio plug. The first attempt produced massive interference and a constant series
of clicks but l had not used screened wire.
Can anyone please confirm how to make this (simple!) connection? What is the audio
common for?
Foe data connections, the 795 Tx connects to the SL30 Rx for VHF freq preselect.
The GPS Tx goes to the Rx1 HS34. I also connect the SL30 to the HS34 Rx2.
How can l connect the Tx HS34 to the SL30 as the only Rx terminal is already used?
Is it possible to piggy back 2 inputs to the SL30?
Regards
JW
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John Wighton
Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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Carl
The mod Bruno describes is documented on our web site
(http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/G-MIME-Vents.pdf).
It is PFA/LAA approved but at present LAA cannot find the paperwork (or even
a number for it).
The ultimate vent is nice (see picture) but expensive.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
Europa Club Mods Specialist
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
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Sent: 13 August 2012 00:08
Subject: Europa-List: Fresh air Vents
Hi,
Does anybody have a mod/ design for a vent that can easily be fitted to an
existing installation.
I believe the front screen is a structural component so can't be altered but
presumably the side screens could have a vent installed.
I believe that Spruce and Speciality sells design that can simply be bolted
into a circular hole cut through the Perspex.
For obvious reasons an approved mod would be preferred.
Thanks
Carl Pattinson
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Subject: | Cowl measurement question.... |
Hi Folks,
I was curious what the measurement is vertically from the top center of the
cowl (at the base of the windscreen) to the cowl side-seem (same as the
prop centerline). I'm wondering if the Viking (honda fit) engine would fit
above the footwells. I suspect not.
Cheers & thx,
Pete
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Subject: | Re: Fresh air Vents |
Carl,
The ultimate ventilator shown below could be installed easily in your plane.
Not sure about your approval to do so and all. I installed them just below t
he windscreen, above the fuselage jogle, as close to the panel module as pos
sible. They are above my knees and I like the way they are infinitely adjust
able. Plenty of air when you want it.
I have seen them installed in the lower corner of the windscreen itself, too
.
Kevin
On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:46 AM, "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Carl
>
> The mod Bruno describes is documented on our web site (http://www.theeurop
aclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/G-MIME-Vents.pdf). It is PFA/LAA appro
ved but at present LAA cannot find the paperwork (or even a number for it).
>
> The ultimate vent is nice (see picture) but expensive.
>
>
> Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
> Europa Club Mods Specialist
> e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
>
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Pattinson
> Sent: 13 August 2012 00:08
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Fresh air Vents
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anybody have a mod/ design for a vent that can easily be fitted to an
existing installation.
>
> I believe the front screen is a structural component so can=99t be a
ltered but presumably the side screens could have a vent installed.
>
> I believe that Spruce and Speciality sells design that can simply be bolte
d into a circular hole cut through the Perspex.
>
> For obvious reasons an approved mod would be preferred.
>
> Thanks
>
> Carl Pattinson
> G-LABS
>
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> <Ultimate Vent.jpg>
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Subject: | Re: Cowl measurement question.... |
I would be careful to be sure you know what you are getting with the
Viking engine. The engine itself is probably fine. However the system
comes from Jan Eggenfellner, who previously was selling converted
Subarus. He left a lot of people with broken promises, considerable
financial losses and unusable equipment. Just ask me how I know. If
you want details, contact me offline.
Jerry Fisher
On Aug 13, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Peter Zutrauen wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I was curious what the measurement is vertically from the top center
of the cowl (at the base of the windscreen) to the cowl side-seem (same
as the prop centerline). I'm wondering if the Viking (honda fit) engine
would fit above the footwells. I suspect not.
>
> Cheers & thx,
> Pete
>
>
>
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Just a reminder that the Le Touquet trip is scheduled for
this Saturday, 18 aug, and at the moment XC weather is
predicting good conditions. Contact me if interested,
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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Subject: | Re: outrigger legs |
Thanks Kevin,
I will certainly use your solution in a near future. BTW I had the opportunity
to look at several Fournier motorgliders and some of them are using a design
which is similar to yours except that the fiberglass rod is slightly tapered.
Regards
Remi
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Subject: | crowbar component location for rotax installation |
I'm checking through various parts of my circuit diagram and after looking at the
crowbar circuit (for the Rotax integrated alternator - LAA mod 10404, issue
5, Jul 2003) I have a query.
How does one know when the crowbar has operated?
Would it be a good idea to put a warning lamp across the 5A breaker to show when
it has popped?
It seems OK to me (as a disciple of Bob Nuckolls) to have the whole crowbar circuit
close to the alternator, in the engine compartment and thus the 5A breaker
not accessible in flight. But I'd like to have some positive indication if it
ever has to do its job.
Any thoughts or prior art?
in friendship
Rowland
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Subject: | rotax integrated alternator warning light |
I've been trying to find out the purpose of the alternator warning light in the
Rotax engine circuit diagram. Originally I had assumed it would light up if the
alternator died and stopped producing useful output. Then I thought - where,
in that circumstance, would the warning light get its power from?
I can't find any description of its function in the Rotax engine manuals. Does
anyone know what it's for and when one should expect it to light up?
in friendship
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Subject: | Re: Garmin GPS, Dynon HS34 and SL30 connections. |
Hello John,
Concerning the audio connections, not sure what you want to achieve. But if you want to connect the audio output of the Dynon HS34 and the L+R output of the Garmin GPS to the input of the SL30, you will need a mixer. Something like: http://www.fdatasystems.com/Products/AP-60/AP-60.html. The common of the Garmin GPS is the common ground of your audio for the different devices.
Concerning the serial, the installation manual of the Dynon D10A or D100 depicts the connections to the HS34. Basically, you will need to connect one of the Tx/Rx of the GPS to the Rx/Tx HS34 serial 1 and the Tx/Rx of the SL30 to the Rx/Tx of the HS34 serial 2 and configure the HS34 appropriately. According to the Dynon wiki (http://wiki.dynonavionics.com/HS34_FAQ), the HS34 will pass the frequencies from the GPS to the SL30.
Jacques.
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Subject: | Re: crowbar component location for rotax installation |
Rowland,
Just a quick thought over about 10 panel installations:
I use a perihelion design OVP which is a fancy resettable crowbar (see
periheliondesign.com) It kills the control circuit (C terminal) in the
Rotax or the field in a standard internally regulated external
alternator ending the power. It can be hooked to a relay to kill the
feed leaving the regulator to run away if you so choose. Perhaps still
powering some non overvoltage critical items.
You can use the somewhat crude but effective Knuckolls crow bar to kill
a relay and allow a double pole relay to light a light bulb on the
panel. When the relay opens, the contact from the panel side could
light a light. I suggest an in line fuse to prevent full bus voltage
from being unprotected. Eric Jones at Perihelion Design has done this
for us in the US but his gear may not be permitted in the UK.
As for the alternator light, it is basically the most worthless tool in
the shed (in my opinion)
It only lights if the regulator is working properly and the alternator
does not produce current. Engine off/battery and alternator switch on.
It operates on the concept of comparing the control voltage to the
output voltage. As the alternator sits quiet at engine off, the light
gets power from the control through the battery of course. The bulb
lights up (note that the alternator must be a light bulb and not an LED
as current goes two ways) as the L or light side of the regulator is
essentially grounded. As the alternator begins to produce power, the
voltage of the output equals the control voltage and the light
extinguishes as it has +12 on each side (slightly less as diodes are
involved) and the bulb is out.
Should your regulator fail, the light is inop. If only one or two
diodes of the triple diode rectifier fail, the light may dimly light as
the alternator is in an under voltage condition. I have seen this only
one time in my whole life. Normally your first indication of a failure
of your regulator is your low battery warning light if you have one.
That is why I preach that one must have an ammeter and voltmeter to
determine his electrical systems health.
Now if the alternator circuit has high resistance going from the bus to
the C terminal or otherwise is running below bus voltage, the voltage
regulator will cause an overvoltage condition, completely undetected
unless you have an OVP circuit. Knuckolls came up with a handy kill
mechanism to protect the circuitry. Just not very elegant.
This is why I went to the Eric Jones/Perihelion Design unit. It costs
about $100 with shipping and is worth every penny. One LED and one
reset button (though I wouldn't reset and overvoltage condition
normally).
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
Europa Tech Support
Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
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(813) 653-4989
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From: Rowland Carson<mailto:rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
To: Europa e-mail list list<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 3:31 PM
Subject: Europa-List: crowbar component location for rotax
installation
<rowlandcarson@gmail.com<mailto:rowlandcarson@gmail.com>>
I'm checking through various parts of my circuit diagram and after
looking at the crowbar circuit (for the Rotax integrated alternator -
LAA mod 10404, issue 5, Jul 2003) I have a query.
How does one know when the crowbar has operated?
Would it be a good idea to put a warning lamp across the 5A breaker to
show when it has popped?
It seems OK to me (as a disciple of Bob Nuckolls) to have the whole
crowbar circuit close to the alternator, in the engine compartment and
thus the 5A breaker not accessible in flight. But I'd like to have some
positive indication if it ever has to do its job.
Any thoughts or prior art?
in friendship
Rowland
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Subject: | Re: Winching attachment points to Tri Gear for Trailering |
Alan,
Please don't compare our stab to the Tramahawk!
Our tail plane will operate throughout our trim and flap setting range
allowing trim and power to land only. I occasionally practice power
and trim alone exercises, but I haven't the courage to flare out, but in
a trigear, I'll just let it hit in a shallow descent...
I have heard the stories (of course never admitted) of Europas with no
trim tabs connected (low speed so they got a scare), trim failure (slow
down and overcome the force), one aileron operating only (big pad on the
aileron quick disconnect fell off and the pilot didn't know it until
annual inspection), a disconnected rudder cable (no squeeze nut attached
and the temp nut came off) which kept the small amount of rudder in from
the spring as the pilots foot was too big to pull the other rudder back
a bit to streamline the rudder. We had one owner who failed to install
his stab pip pin at all and as the stab pulled out, he was at slow speed
and with only one stab and a lot of flutter, put it on the ground. He
split the fuselage due to flutter at the rear, but survived. But no
instances of the stab tube failures.
The only things to make our stab (and the Thorp T18) perfect would be a
balanced trim tab so in the event you forgot to hook up the trim tab
tube, or the stab was departing the pins, the trim tab would stay
neutral as would the stick forces but usable and there would be
virtually no chance for flutter. Many Piper aircraft balance the stab
at 30% which makes a stab tube disconnect fatal but increases stability
at the aft end of the CG range. Also if their trim tab becomes
disconnected, the flutter is fatal also. So be sure to preflight your
trim tabs.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
Europa Tech Support
Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
www.customflightcreations.com
(813) 653-4989
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From: Alan Carter<mailto:alancarteresq@onetel.net>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 5:12 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Winching attachment points to Tri Gear for
Trailering
<alancarteresq@onetel.net<mailto:alancarteresq@onetel.net>>
Hi All.
Sorry Chaps i have never liked all flying tail planes, and for me i
feel much safe with a conventional tailplane and elevators.
Stabs have been around for a long time so proven safe , How ever i
know i can fly and land the conventional set up, on power and trim
alone, if the elevator cable detached ,
But i have a stab so will have to live with it, But then you could
move on the the T tail like the Tomahawk , dreadful aeroplane.
But thats my opinion.
Alan
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Subject: | Re: Winching attachment points to Tri Gear for Trailering |
Entitled as we may be to expressing our own opinions, I learn a lot
more from reasoned discussion of a topic than I do from hearing
dogmatic positions in relation there to.
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