Europa-List Digest Archive

Mon 08/13/12


Total Messages Posted: 14



Today's Message Index:
----------------------
 
     1. 01:42 AM - AW: Fresh air Vents (UVTREITH)
     2. 02:52 AM - Garmin GPS, Dynon HS34 and SL30 connections. (John Wighton)
     3. 03:47 AM - Re: Fresh air Vents (G-IANI)
     4. 04:46 AM - Cowl measurement question.... (Peter Zutrauen)
     5. 05:43 AM - Re: Fresh air Vents (klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com)
     6. 07:08 AM - Re: Cowl measurement question.... (Jeremy Fisher)
     7. 07:22 AM - Le Touquet (David Joyce)
     8. 11:25 AM - Re: outrigger legs (Remi Guerner)
     9. 12:34 PM - crowbar component location for rotax installation (Rowland Carson)
    10. 01:30 PM - rotax integrated alternator warning light (Rowland Carson)
    11. 01:33 PM - Re: Garmin GPS, Dynon HS34 and SL30 connections. (ploucandco)
    12. 02:44 PM - Re: crowbar component location for rotax installation (Bud Yerly)
    13. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: Winching attachment points to Tri Gear for Trailering (Bud Yerly)
    14. 06:53 PM - Re: Re: Winching attachment points to Tri Gear for Trailering (Fred Klein)
 
 
 


Message 1


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 01:42:33 AM PST US
    From: "UVTREITH" <uvtreith@t-online.de>
    Subject: Fresh air Vents
    Hi Carl, I have used the F27 ceiling panel without the holes for the headset connectors, installed swivel ball vents on each side and made a flap with a lever to open and close the fresh air inlet. This works fine and provides enough fresh air to keep your head cool. Best Regards, Bruno _____ Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Carl Pattinson Gesendet: Montag, 13. August 2012 01:08 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: Europa-List: Fresh air Vents Hi, Does anybody have a mod/ design for a vent that can easily be fitted to an existing installation. I believe the front screen is a structural component so can't be altered but presumably the side screens could have a vent installed. I believe that Spruce and Speciality sells design that can simply be bolted into a circular hole cut through the Perspex. For obvious reasons an approved mod would be preferred. Thanks Carl Pattinson G-LABS _____ No infections found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo System Shield. http://www.iolo.com


    Message 2


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 02:52:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Garmin GPS, Dynon HS34 and SL30 connections.
    From: "John Wighton" <john@wighton.net>
    Hello, I am hard wiring a Garmin 795 into my Europa. The bare wire kit allows connections to my Sl30 and Dynon kit. However, the audio connections are puzzling me. There are 3 wires, L, R and common. My original plan was to wire these to an existing audio socket (aux for music etc). Garmin said use the L and R wires only connecting to the 2terminals on the audio plug. The first attempt produced massive interference and a constant series of clicks but l had not used screened wire. Can anyone please confirm how to make this (simple!) connection? What is the audio common for? Foe data connections, the 795 Tx connects to the SL30 Rx for VHF freq preselect. The GPS Tx goes to the Rx1 HS34. I also connect the SL30 to the HS34 Rx2. How can l connect the Tx HS34 to the SL30 as the only Rx terminal is already used? Is it possible to piggy back 2 inputs to the SL30? Regards JW -------- John Wighton Europa XS trigear G-IPOD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380809#380809


    Message 3


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 03:47:36 AM PST US
    From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Fresh air Vents
    Carl The mod Bruno describes is documented on our web site (http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/G-MIME-Vents.pdf). It is PFA/LAA approved but at present LAA cannot find the paperwork (or even a number for it). The ultimate vent is nice (see picture) but expensive. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Pattinson Sent: 13 August 2012 00:08 Subject: Europa-List: Fresh air Vents Hi, Does anybody have a mod/ design for a vent that can easily be fitted to an existing installation. I believe the front screen is a structural component so can't be altered but presumably the side screens could have a vent installed. I believe that Spruce and Speciality sells design that can simply be bolted into a circular hole cut through the Perspex. For obvious reasons an approved mod would be preferred. Thanks Carl Pattinson G-LABS _____ No infections found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo System ShieldR http://www.iolo.com


    Message 4


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 04:46:19 AM PST US
    From: Peter Zutrauen <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
    Subject: Cowl measurement question....
    Hi Folks, I was curious what the measurement is vertically from the top center of the cowl (at the base of the windscreen) to the cowl side-seem (same as the prop centerline). I'm wondering if the Viking (honda fit) engine would fit above the footwells. I suspect not. Cheers & thx, Pete


    Message 5


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:43:38 AM PST US
    From: klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com
    Subject: Re: Fresh air Vents
    Carl, The ultimate ventilator shown below could be installed easily in your plane. Not sure about your approval to do so and all. I installed them just below t he windscreen, above the fuselage jogle, as close to the panel module as pos sible. They are above my knees and I like the way they are infinitely adjust able. Plenty of air when you want it. I have seen them installed in the lower corner of the windscreen itself, too . Kevin On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:46 AM, "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Carl > > The mod Bruno describes is documented on our web site (http://www.theeurop aclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/G-MIME-Vents.pdf). It is PFA/LAA appro ved but at present LAA cannot find the paperwork (or even a number for it). > > The ultimate vent is nice (see picture) but expensive. > > > Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours > Europa Club Mods Specialist > e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com > > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Pattinson > Sent: 13 August 2012 00:08 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Fresh air Vents > > Hi, > > Does anybody have a mod/ design for a vent that can easily be fitted to an existing installation. > > I believe the front screen is a structural component so can=99t be a ltered but presumably the side screens could have a vent installed. > > I believe that Spruce and Speciality sells design that can simply be bolte d into a circular hole cut through the Perspex. > > For obvious reasons an approved mod would be preferred. > > Thanks > > Carl Pattinson > G-LABS > > > No infections found in this outgoing message > Scanned by iolo System Shield=C2=AE > http://www.iolo.com > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > <Ultimate Vent.jpg>


    Message 6


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 07:08:43 AM PST US
    From: Jeremy Fisher <jffisher@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Cowl measurement question....
    I would be careful to be sure you know what you are getting with the Viking engine. The engine itself is probably fine. However the system comes from Jan Eggenfellner, who previously was selling converted Subarus. He left a lot of people with broken promises, considerable financial losses and unusable equipment. Just ask me how I know. If you want details, contact me offline. Jerry Fisher On Aug 13, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Peter Zutrauen wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I was curious what the measurement is vertically from the top center of the cowl (at the base of the windscreen) to the cowl side-seem (same as the prop centerline). I'm wondering if the Viking (honda fit) engine would fit above the footwells. I suspect not. > > Cheers & thx, > Pete > > >


    Message 7


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 07:22:35 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Le Touquet
    Just a reminder that the Le Touquet trip is scheduled for this Saturday, 18 aug, and at the moment XC weather is predicting good conditions. Contact me if interested, Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ


    Message 8


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 11:25:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: outrigger legs
    From: "Remi Guerner" <air.guerner@orange.fr>
    Thanks Kevin, I will certainly use your solution in a near future. BTW I had the opportunity to look at several Fournier motorgliders and some of them are using a design which is similar to yours except that the fiberglass rod is slightly tapered. Regards Remi Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380855#380855


    Message 9


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 12:34:23 PM PST US
    From: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
    Subject: crowbar component location for rotax installation
    I'm checking through various parts of my circuit diagram and after looking at the crowbar circuit (for the Rotax integrated alternator - LAA mod 10404, issue 5, Jul 2003) I have a query. How does one know when the crowbar has operated? Would it be a good idea to put a warning lamp across the 5A breaker to show when it has popped? It seems OK to me (as a disciple of Bob Nuckolls) to have the whole crowbar circuit close to the alternator, in the engine compartment and thus the 5A breaker not accessible in flight. But I'd like to have some positive indication if it ever has to do its job. Any thoughts or prior art? in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson


    Message 10


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 01:30:57 PM PST US
    From: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
    Subject: rotax integrated alternator warning light
    I've been trying to find out the purpose of the alternator warning light in the Rotax engine circuit diagram. Originally I had assumed it would light up if the alternator died and stopped producing useful output. Then I thought - where, in that circumstance, would the warning light get its power from? I can't find any description of its function in the Rotax engine manuals. Does anyone know what it's for and when one should expect it to light up? in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson


    Message 11


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 01:33:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Garmin GPS, Dynon HS34 and SL30 connections.
    From: "ploucandco" <jacques@platisource.com>
    Hello John, Concerning the audio connections, not sure what you want to achieve. But if you want to connect the audio output of the Dynon HS34 and the L+R output of the Garmin GPS to the input of the SL30, you will need a mixer. Something like: http://www.fdatasystems.com/Products/AP-60/AP-60.html. The common of the Garmin GPS is the common ground of your audio for the different devices. Concerning the serial, the installation manual of the Dynon D10A or D100 depicts the connections to the HS34. Basically, you will need to connect one of the Tx/Rx of the GPS to the Rx/Tx HS34 serial 1 and the Tx/Rx of the SL30 to the Rx/Tx of the HS34 serial 2 and configure the HS34 appropriately. According to the Dynon wiki (http://wiki.dynonavionics.com/HS34_FAQ), the HS34 will pass the frequencies from the GPS to the SL30. Jacques. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380868#380868


    Message 12


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 02:44:33 PM PST US
    From: "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: crowbar component location for rotax installation
    Rowland, Just a quick thought over about 10 panel installations: I use a perihelion design OVP which is a fancy resettable crowbar (see periheliondesign.com) It kills the control circuit (C terminal) in the Rotax or the field in a standard internally regulated external alternator ending the power. It can be hooked to a relay to kill the feed leaving the regulator to run away if you so choose. Perhaps still powering some non overvoltage critical items. You can use the somewhat crude but effective Knuckolls crow bar to kill a relay and allow a double pole relay to light a light bulb on the panel. When the relay opens, the contact from the panel side could light a light. I suggest an in line fuse to prevent full bus voltage from being unprotected. Eric Jones at Perihelion Design has done this for us in the US but his gear may not be permitted in the UK. As for the alternator light, it is basically the most worthless tool in the shed (in my opinion) It only lights if the regulator is working properly and the alternator does not produce current. Engine off/battery and alternator switch on. It operates on the concept of comparing the control voltage to the output voltage. As the alternator sits quiet at engine off, the light gets power from the control through the battery of course. The bulb lights up (note that the alternator must be a light bulb and not an LED as current goes two ways) as the L or light side of the regulator is essentially grounded. As the alternator begins to produce power, the voltage of the output equals the control voltage and the light extinguishes as it has +12 on each side (slightly less as diodes are involved) and the bulb is out. Should your regulator fail, the light is inop. If only one or two diodes of the triple diode rectifier fail, the light may dimly light as the alternator is in an under voltage condition. I have seen this only one time in my whole life. Normally your first indication of a failure of your regulator is your low battery warning light if you have one. That is why I preach that one must have an ammeter and voltmeter to determine his electrical systems health. Now if the alternator circuit has high resistance going from the bus to the C terminal or otherwise is running below bus voltage, the voltage regulator will cause an overvoltage condition, completely undetected unless you have an OVP circuit. Knuckolls came up with a handy kill mechanism to protect the circuitry. Just not very elegant. This is why I went to the Eric Jones/Perihelion Design unit. It costs about $100 with shipping and is worth every penny. One LED and one reset button (though I wouldn't reset and overvoltage condition normally). Best Regards, Bud Yerly Europa Tech Support Custom Flight Creations, Inc. www.customflightcreations.com<http://www.customflightcreations.com/> (813) 653-4989 ----- Original Message ----- From: Rowland Carson<mailto:rowlandcarson@gmail.com> To: Europa e-mail list list<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 3:31 PM Subject: Europa-List: crowbar component location for rotax installation <rowlandcarson@gmail.com<mailto:rowlandcarson@gmail.com>> I'm checking through various parts of my circuit diagram and after looking at the crowbar circuit (for the Rotax integrated alternator - LAA mod 10404, issue 5, Jul 2003) I have a query. How does one know when the crowbar has operated? Would it be a good idea to put a warning lamp across the 5A breaker to show when it has popped? It seems OK to me (as a disciple of Bob Nuckolls) to have the whole crowbar circuit close to the alternator, in the engine compartment and thus the 5A breaker not accessible in flight. But I'd like to have some positive indication if it ever has to do its job. Any thoughts or prior art? in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | <rowlandcarson@gmail.com<mailto:rowlandcarson@gmail.com>> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk<http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/> | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson<http://picasaweb.google.com/row landcarson> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List<http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Europa-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on>


    Message 13


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 03:14:47 PM PST US
    From: "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Winching attachment points to Tri Gear for Trailering
    Alan, Please don't compare our stab to the Tramahawk! Our tail plane will operate throughout our trim and flap setting range allowing trim and power to land only. I occasionally practice power and trim alone exercises, but I haven't the courage to flare out, but in a trigear, I'll just let it hit in a shallow descent... I have heard the stories (of course never admitted) of Europas with no trim tabs connected (low speed so they got a scare), trim failure (slow down and overcome the force), one aileron operating only (big pad on the aileron quick disconnect fell off and the pilot didn't know it until annual inspection), a disconnected rudder cable (no squeeze nut attached and the temp nut came off) which kept the small amount of rudder in from the spring as the pilots foot was too big to pull the other rudder back a bit to streamline the rudder. We had one owner who failed to install his stab pip pin at all and as the stab pulled out, he was at slow speed and with only one stab and a lot of flutter, put it on the ground. He split the fuselage due to flutter at the rear, but survived. But no instances of the stab tube failures. The only things to make our stab (and the Thorp T18) perfect would be a balanced trim tab so in the event you forgot to hook up the trim tab tube, or the stab was departing the pins, the trim tab would stay neutral as would the stick forces but usable and there would be virtually no chance for flutter. Many Piper aircraft balance the stab at 30% which makes a stab tube disconnect fatal but increases stability at the aft end of the CG range. Also if their trim tab becomes disconnected, the flutter is fatal also. So be sure to preflight your trim tabs. Regards, Bud Yerly Europa Tech Support Custom Flight Creations, Inc. www.customflightcreations.com (813) 653-4989 ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Carter<mailto:alancarteresq@onetel.net> To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 5:12 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Winching attachment points to Tri Gear for Trailering <alancarteresq@onetel.net<mailto:alancarteresq@onetel.net>> Hi All. Sorry Chaps i have never liked all flying tail planes, and for me i feel much safe with a conventional tailplane and elevators. Stabs have been around for a long time so proven safe , How ever i know i can fly and land the conventional set up, on power and trim alone, if the elevator cable detached , But i have a stab so will have to live with it, But then you could move on the the T tail like the Tomahawk , dreadful aeroplane. But thats my opinion. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380771#380771<http://forums .matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380771#380771> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List<http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Europa-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on>


    Message 14


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 06:53:12 PM PST US
    From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    Subject: Re: Winching attachment points to Tri Gear for Trailering
    Entitled as we may be to expressing our own opinions, I learn a lot more from reasoned discussion of a topic than I do from hearing dogmatic positions in relation there to. do not archive




    Other Matronics Email List Services

  • Post A New Message
  •   europa-list@matronics.com
  • UN/SUBSCRIBE
  •   http://www.matronics.com/subscription
  • List FAQ
  •   http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm
  • Web Forum Interface To Lists
  •   http://forums.matronics.com
  • Matronics List Wiki
  •   http://wiki.matronics.com
  • 7-Day List Browse
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list
  • Browse Europa-List Digests
  •   http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list
  • Browse Other Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse
  • Live Online Chat!
  •   http://www.matronics.com/chat
  • Archive Downloading
  •   http://www.matronics.com/archives
  • Photo Share
  •   http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
  • Other Email Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
  • Contributions
  •   http://www.matronics.com/contribution

    These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.

    -- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --