Europa-List Digest Archive

Tue 08/21/12


Total Messages Posted: 12



Today's Message Index:
----------------------
 
     1. 02:53 AM - Re: Landing mishap - asking for advise (zwakie)
     2. 03:10 AM - Re: Re: Landing mishap - asking for advise (David Joyce)
     3. 03:30 AM - Re: Re: Landing mishap - asking for advise (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
     4. 05:20 AM - Fuel Gauge (stephen vestuti)
     5. 06:41 AM - Re: Fuel Gauge (Gerry Holland)
     6. 08:49 AM - Re: Fuel Gauge (Rowland Carson)
     7. 10:40 AM - 912ULS engine mount - loose Binx nut (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
     8. 11:35 AM - Re: Fuel Gauge (stephen vestuti)
     9. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Gauge (Jeffrey Roberts)
    10. 12:20 PM - Trigear conversion; only 80hp. Advice please. (jonathanmilbank)
    11. 12:33 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Gauge (Rowland Carson)
    12. 12:57 PM - Re: Landing mishap - asking for advise (zwakie)
 
 
 


Message 1


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 02:53:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Landing mishap - asking for advise
    From: "zwakie" <mz@cariama.nl>
    grahamsingleton(at)btinte wrote: > Marcel > You might find that the Arplast is already fairly high twist. It's a good robust prop. If you speak French talk to Alain Petit, > He does speak some English. His daughter Laeticia runs the props business, (last time I was there) Her English isn't bad either. > Graham I was thinking the same about the twist for the PV50. Unfortunately the prop is in such a state now that I cannot measure the twist, I could not find technical specs for the PV50 on the internet either. Anybody out there that has the specs on the PV50 and willing ot share? -------- Marcel (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381445#381445


    Message 2


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 03:10:24 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: Landing mishap - asking for advise
    For comparison with others I measure twist as the difference between the tip and the bit 1/3 out from the centre. The SR300W, all turbo props, Red Bull racers and any old prop driven fighter will have twists of around 26 degrees whereas SR2000s & Warp Drives have twists around only 12 degrees. I had assumed that the Arplast is similar but would be interested in an actual measurement. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:52:30 -0700 "zwakie" <mz@cariama.nl> wrote: ><mz@cariama.nl> > > > grahamsingleton(at)btinte wrote: >> Marcel >> You might find that the Arplast is already fairly high >>twist. It's a good robust prop. If you speak French talk >>to Alain Petit, >> He does speak some English. His daughter Laeticia runs >>the props business, (last time I was there) Her English >>isn't bad either. >> Graham > > I was thinking the same about the twist for the PV50. >Unfortunately the prop is in such a state now that I >cannot measure the twist, I could not find technical >specs for the PV50 on the internet either. Anybody out >there that has the specs on the PV50 and willing ot >share? > > -------- > Marcel > (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381445#381445 > > > > > > > >Un/Subscription, >Forums! >Admin. > > >


    Message 3


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 03:30:47 AM PST US
    From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Landing mishap - asking for advise
    Marcel=0Awhy not glue the least damaged blade up with 5 minute epoxy, or bo dy filler, then measure the twist?=0AOr talk to Alain Petit?=0AGraham=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0A From: zwakie <mz@cariama.nl>=0ATo: e uropa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, 21 August 2012, 10:52=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: Landing mishap - asking for advise=0A =0A--> Europa-List message posted by: "zwakie" <mz@cariama.nl>=0A=0A=0Agrahamsingleton(at)btin te wrote:=0A> Marcel=0A> You might find that the Arplast is already fairly high twist. It's a good robust prop. If you speak French talk to Alain Peti t,=0A> He does speak some English. His daughter Laeticia runs the props bus iness, (last time I was there) Her English isn't bad either.=0A> Graham=0A =0AI was thinking the same about the twist for the PV50. Unfortunately the prop is in such a state now that I cannot measure the twist, I could not fi nd technical specs for the PV50 on the internet either. Anybody out there t hat has the specs on the PV50 and willing ot share?=0A=0A--------=0AMarcel =0A(Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online he re:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381445#381445=0A=0A =========================0A ===================


    Message 4


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:20:18 AM PST US
    Subject: Fuel Gauge
    From: "stephen vestuti" <s.vestuti@gmail.com>
    Hi, I've cut out the fuel tank for the factory Werner fuel gauge, it comes with a rubber gasket but I'm not happy with it sealing around the five AN bolts, what can be used as a sealant for the gauge ?, I Know I can use redux as a last resort, Steve , Europa No. 630 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381451#381451


    Message 5


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 06:41:46 AM PST US
    From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge
    Steve Hi! I remember using some stuff from ACS called PTS PROSEAL 890-CLASS B-TYPE I One downside. It seems to cost around $75 now, probably 75 if you ordered through LAS. I used it to seal all fuel system connections and it was particularly good on capacitive fuel sender gaskets and the fuel filler connections. Regards Gerry


    Message 6


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 08:49:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge
    From: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
    On 21 Aug 2012, at 13:19, stephen vestuti wrote: > I've cut out the fuel tank for the factory Werner fuel gauge, > it comes with a rubber gasket but I'm not happy with it sealing around the > five AN bolts, what can be used as a sealant for the gauge ?, I Know I can use > redux as a last resort, Steve - on advice from Brian Fogg who found it was the final answer to the fuel smell from his level sender, I used Loctite 5922 to seal the flange of the factory fuel gauge sender to the tank . Brian got his from Halfords, but my local branch never had any on several tries, so I got mine from Grampian Fasteners. <http://www.grampianfasteners.com/Products.aspx?cat=10914118> Hope this helps. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson


    Message 7


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 10:40:09 AM PST US
    From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
    Subject: 912ULS engine mount - loose Binx nut
    Hi all, Just a word of caution: The Rotax engine ring mount is bolted to the Europa engine frame with four bolts with M10 Binx nuts (the Binx nut version that is slightly oval inside before screwed on to the bolt, thus having a selflocking function). Inspecting the engine today, with both cowl parts removed, I discovered that the nut had unscrewed itself so much that I could easily turn the nut and the bolt around (meaning, by the way, that the three other bolts were holding the engine firmly in place). Total 171 hours. The "Rotax 912S Installation Manual" (my version and also the current one on Europa's web site) specifies neither a certain torque nor any Loctite on these nuts, indicating that the nuts are assumed to lock sufficiently well. I remember clearly that I called Europa back then, and a very skilled representative of the company confirmed that no specific torque was required, just tighten it. I certainly hope that my case is unique, but you are all advised to check regularly. I had to remove the muffler to get to the bolt head at the back. Definitely some restriction to turn the nut on the bolt, but I put on Locktite 270 to be safe (stronger than the Locktite 243 recommended for the ring mount-to-engine bolt nuts). On the attached photo you will see the marks made with water-proof felt pen on the nut and the ring mount for easy detection of any nut movement, re-drawn after tightening. The marks not lining up is how I noticed that something was wrong. Fly safely. Regards, Svein LN-SKJ


    Message 8


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 11:35:21 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge
    From: "stephen vestuti" <s.vestuti@gmail.com>
    Hi All, What about the Gasket ?, I'm thinking of scrapping it and using one of those sealants to bond the flange directly to the top of the fuel tank - did any of you scrap the gaskets ? Steve Europe No. 630 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381470#381470


    Message 9


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 11:48:42 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge
    From: Jeffrey Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
    I used just the gasket then one day when I filled the tank all the way up it leaked everywhere. I added pro seal on both sides of the gasket which was the messiest job ever and it has't leaked since. Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush On Aug 21, 2012, at 1:34 PM, stephen vestuti wrote: > > Hi All, > > What about the Gasket ?, I'm thinking of scrapping it and using one of those > sealants to bond the flange directly to the top of the fuel tank - did any of > you scrap the gaskets ? > > Steve Europe No. 630 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381470#381470 > > > > > > > > > >


    Message 10


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 12:20:13 PM PST US
    Subject: Trigear conversion; only 80hp. Advice please.
    From: "jonathanmilbank" <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
    Please would anyone who has personal experience of having flown a classic monowheel for many hours with Rotax 912UL 80hp and then converted the same aircraft to a trigear, advise me on the performance aspect during take-off. My aircraft has the superb Airmaster AP332 propeller which greatly improved take-off and climb once it was fitted. Also it has the strengthening mod which allows me to operate up to 1370 lbs. I fly off a 500 metre grass strip and when I get airborne on warm (20C) days near-fully laden in calm wind, the intial climb is sluggish until I can retract the flaps/uc and accelerate to 75 kts. Then it'll manage 700 - 800 fpm. I realise that as soon as the wheels come off the ground, then the climb performance should be the same , whichever undercarriage is fitted. My real concern is whether the trigear has a noticeably longer take-off roll on grass which could affect obstacle clearance. My budget won't stretch to the 100hp engine and I might be forced to relocate to a different airfield with a tar runway. Don't really want to move though. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381473#381473


    Message 11


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 12:33:03 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge
    From: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
    On 21 Aug 2012, at 19:34, stephen vestuti wrote: > What about the Gasket ?, I'm thinking of scrapping it and using one of those > sealants to bond the flange directly to the top of the fuel tank - did any of > you scrap the gaskets ? Steve - why discard the gasket? I saw no reason to do so. It must provide a better seal to the slightly-flexible tank than the metal flange would by itself. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson


    Message 12


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 12:57:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Landing mishap - asking for advise
    From: "zwakie" <mz@cariama.nl>
    David, Graham and others, I will take it upon myself to come up with the numbers on the twist of the Arplast PV50 and publish them here in due time. -------- Marcel (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381475#381475




    Other Matronics Email List Services

  • Post A New Message
  •   europa-list@matronics.com
  • UN/SUBSCRIBE
  •   http://www.matronics.com/subscription
  • List FAQ
  •   http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm
  • Web Forum Interface To Lists
  •   http://forums.matronics.com
  • Matronics List Wiki
  •   http://wiki.matronics.com
  • 7-Day List Browse
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list
  • Browse Europa-List Digests
  •   http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list
  • Browse Other Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse
  • Live Online Chat!
  •   http://www.matronics.com/chat
  • Archive Downloading
  •   http://www.matronics.com/archives
  • Photo Share
  •   http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
  • Other Email Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
  • Contributions
  •   http://www.matronics.com/contribution

    These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.

    -- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --