---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/28/12: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:17 AM - Re: Ventilation ... (PHILLIPS I) 2. 01:22 AM - Re: Vertical trim friction device (stephen vestuti) 3. 02:11 AM - cockpit upholstery (Kevin Siggery) 4. 03:45 AM - Re: Re: Vertical trim friction device (G-IANI) 5. 03:57 AM - Re: cockpit upholstery (G-IANI) 6. 05:36 AM - Re: Ventilation ... (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gert_Dalgaard_S=F8rensen?=) 7. 05:46 AM - Re: Re: Vertical trim friction device (Frans Veldman) 8. 08:02 AM - Re: Ventilation ... (PHILLIPS I) 9. 08:42 AM - Re: Anybody willing to pick me up for Dutch GA Fly-in? (zwakie) 10. 10:18 AM - Re: Ventilation ... (Max Cointe) 11. 10:48 AM - Re: Ventilation ... (PHILLIPS I) 12. 10:51 AM - Re: Ventilation ... (Robert Borger) 13. 01:37 PM - Re: Vertical trim friction device (craig) 14. 02:11 PM - Re: Ventilation ... (stephen vestuti) 15. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: Ventilation ... (Robert Borger) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ventilation ... From: PHILLIPS I Hi Gert I think you are referring to the Ultimate vent, I have a pair fitted and they work well even in 40C temps, Mine are fitted just below the front screen and give you cool air to your face and not your knee, regards Ivor On 28 August 2012 05:36, Gert Dalgaard S=F8rensen wro te: > =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gert_Dalgaard_S=F8rensen?= > > Hi > > For a couple a months ago, we had a tread around cut-out for ventilation > in the cabin. > I have been flying with NACA cut outs for some years, but someone > suggested another "round" valve, and it looked very nice - now I am just > not able to find that thread ..... grrr..!! > Can someone help me .. ? > > Regards > Gert Dalgaard > OY-GDS > Mono/914/500+ hours > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:17 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Vertical trim friction device From: "stephen vestuti" Hi Frans, when I built Europa No. 573, I coated the friction washer and slot with graphite grease after noticing that the trim motor appeared to stick/strain when moving, it did not make a huge difference but enough to smooth it out slightly, Steve, Europa No.630 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381973#381973 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:07 AM PST US From: Kevin Siggery Subject: Europa-List: cockpit upholstery Some time ago (years!) I had the seats of my Europa upholstered by a very good chap down in Devon. I have been unable to locate him since so have started to look a little wider. I would like to line the cockpit now to finish the job. Any recommendations preferably within the UK? Many thanks Kevin ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:58 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Vertical trim friction device Frans Like Steve I had the same problem in 2003. After some discussion with Andy Draper we came to the same solution, grease it. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:12 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: cockpit upholstery Kevin There is a list on the Club Web site, Building, Paint and Upholster, Upholstery. If anyone has any others to recommend I will be pleased to add them. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:40 AM PST US From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gert_Dalgaard_S=F8rensen?= Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ventilation ... Ivor - it was exactly the thread/vents I was looking for! Looks super. How are they mounted from the outside? And could I have the cheek to ask for a picture taken from the outside ... :) And question at the Forum - someone having one or two of these vents laying around and want to sell (like I have got a thousand items just sitting in the shop ...). Regards Gert Den 28/08/2012 kl. 09.16 skrev PHILLIPS I : > Hi Gert > I think you are referring to the Ultimate vent, I have a pair fitted and they work well > even in 40C temps, Mine are fitted just below the front screen and give you cool air > to your face and not your knee, > regards > Ivor > > On 28 August 2012 05:36, Gert Dalgaard S=F8rensen wrote: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gert_Dalgaard_S=F8rensen?= > > Hi > > For a couple a months ago, we had a tread around cut-out for ventilation in the cabin. > I have been flying with NACA cut outs for some years, but someone suggested another "round" valve, and it looked very nice - now I am just not able to find that thread ..... grrr..!! > Can someone help me .. ? > > Regards > Gert Dalgaard > OY-GDS > Mono/914/500+ hours > > ========== > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:16 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Vertical trim friction device Hi Ian, > Like Steve I had the same problem in 2003. After some discussion with Andy > Draper we came to the same solution, grease it. Hmm, is greasing a friction device not negating its purpose? Anyway, if it can be done without adverse effects, I will grease it. Did you see my email with comments about the incorporation of mod77 (and questions about the push rod)? Frans ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ventilation ... From: PHILLIPS I Hi Gert They are very easy to fit, Just a hole saw and some Redux and you are good to go, I have painted them since these picture's were taken but cannot find them in my Build library, regards Ivor On 28 August 2012 13:35, Gert Dalgaard S=F8rensen wro te: > Ivor - it was exactly the thread/vents I was looking for! > Looks super. > How are they mounted from the outside? > And could I have the cheek to ask for a picture taken from the outside .. .. > :) > > And question at the Forum - someone having one or two of these vents laying > around and want to sell (like I have got a thousand items just sitting in > the shop ...). > > Regards Gert > > > Den 28/08/2012 kl. 09.16 skrev PHILLIPS I : > > Hi Gert > I think you are referring to the Ultimate vent, I have a pair fitted and > they work well > even in 40C temps, Mine are fitted just below the front screen and give > you cool air > to your face and not your knee, > regards > Ivor > > On 28 August 2012 05:36, Gert Dalgaard S=F8rensen w rote: > >> =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gert_Dalgaard_S=F8rensen?= >> >> Hi >> >> For a couple a months ago, we had a tread around cut-out for ventilation >> in the cabin. >> I have been flying with NACA cut outs for some years, but someone >> suggested another "round" valve, and it looked very nice - now I am just >> not able to find that thread ..... grrr..!! >> Can someone help me .. ? >> >> Regards >> Gert Dalgaard >> OY-GDS >> Mono/914/500+ hours >> >> ========== >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution > * > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:25 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Anybody willing to pick me up for Dutch GA Fly-in? From: "zwakie" Just a little kick... anybody? zwakie wrote: > I was planning to attend the Dutch GA Fly-in at 7-8-9 September at Texel (EHTX), flying out there with PH-MZW. > > After my landing mishap two weeks ago that no longer is an option, so I am looking for alternative means of 'transportation by air'. > > Is there anybody attending this fly-in that has a seat available and willing to make an extra stop at Hoogeveen (EHHO) to pick me up and drop me off upon return? > > [edit - forgot to mention]: > - I will of course pay for the additional costs you make to pick me up > - Mogas is available at EHHO -------- Marcel (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381996#381996 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:09 AM PST US From: "Max Cointe" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Ventilation ... Hi Ivor, How did you drill the holes, what tool did you use to make it clean? Max Cointe F-PMLH Europa_TriGear Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours mcointe@free.fr De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de PHILLIPS I Envoy=E9 : mardi 28 ao=FBt 2012 17:01 =C0 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : Re: Europa-List: Ventilation ... Hi Gert They are very easy to fit, Just a hole saw and some Redux and you are good to go, I have painted them since these picture's were taken but cannot find them in my Build library, regards Ivor On 28 August 2012 13:35, Gert Dalgaard S=F8rensen wrote: Ivor - it was exactly the thread/vents I was looking for! Looks super. How are they mounted from the outside? And could I have the cheek to ask for a picture taken from the outside ... :) And question at the Forum - someone having one or two of these vents laying around and want to sell (like I have got a thousand items just sitting in the shop ...). Regards Gert Den 28/08/2012 kl. 09.16 skrev PHILLIPS I : Hi Gert I think you are referring to the Ultimate vent, I have a pair fitted and they work well even in 40C temps, Mine are fitted just below the front screen and give you cool air to your face and not your knee, regards Ivor On 28 August 2012 05:36, Gert Dalgaard S=F8rensen wrote: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gert_Dalgaard_S=F8rensen? Hi For a couple a months ago, we had a tread around cut-out for ventilation in the cabin. I have been flying with NACA cut outs for some years, but someone suggested another "round" valve, and it looked very nice - now I am just not able to find that thread ..... grrr..!! Can someone help me .. ? Regards Gert Dalgaard OY-GDS Mono/914/500+ hours target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron ics.c om/Navigator?Europa-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontri bution arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ventilation ... From: PHILLIPS I I just used a conventional hole saw slightly smaller than the vent, this was in a hand drill so you can go very slow, then open the hole to the correct size using a plastic pipe covered in 180 grit sand paper, this was done before filling/painting the fuselage, but with care there no reason why you couldn't do it on a painted fuselarge, regards Ivor On 28 August 2012 18:17, Max Cointe wrote: > Hi Ivor,**** > > ** ** > > How did you drill the holes, what tool did you use to make it clean?**** > > ** ** > > Max Cointe**** > > F-PMLH Europa_TriGear**** > > Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours**** > > mcointe@free.fr**** > > ** ** > > *De :* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *De la part de* PHILLIPS I > *Envoy=E9 :* mardi 28 ao=FBt 2012 17:01 > *=C0 :* europa-list@matronics.com > *Objet :* Re: Europa-List: Ventilation ...**** > > ** ** > > Hi Gert**** > > They are very easy to fit, Just a hole saw and some Redux and you are goo d > to go,**** > > I have painted them since these picture's were taken but cannot find them > in my Build**** > > library,**** > > **** > > regards**** > > Ivor**** > > On 28 August 2012 13:35, Gert Dalgaard S=F8rensen > wrote:**** > > Ivor - it was exactly the thread/vents I was looking for!**** > > Looks super.**** > > How are they mounted from the outside?**** > > And could I have the cheek to ask for a picture taken from the outside .. .. > :)**** > > ** ** > > And question at the Forum - someone having one or two of these vents laying > around and want to sell (like I have got a thousand items just sitting in > the shop ...).**** > > ** ** > > Regards Gert**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Den 28/08/2012 kl. 09.16 skrev PHILLIPS I :** * > * > > > **** > > Hi Gert**** > > I think you are referring to the Ultimate vent, I have a pair fitted and > they work well**** > > even in 40C temps, Mine are fitted just below the front screen and give > you cool air**** > > to your face and not your knee,**** > > regards**** > > Ivor**** > > On 28 August 2012 05:36, Gert Dalgaard S=F8rensen > wrote:**** > > =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gert_Dalgaard_S=F8rensen?= > > Hi > > For a couple a months ago, we had a tread around cut-out for ventilation > in the cabin. > I have been flying with NACA cut outs for some years, but someone > suggested another "round" valve, and it looked very nice - now I am just > not able to find that thread ..... grrr..!! > Can someone help me .. ? > > Regards > Gert Dalgaard > OY-GDS > Mono/914/500+ hours**** > > ========== > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > **** > > ** ** > > * * > > * * > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Europa-List* > > *href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com* > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ contribution* > > * * > > ** ** > > * * > > * * > > *arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List* > > *tp://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > ** ** > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:51 AM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ventilation ... Gents, I documented the "Ultimate Ventilators" & their installation in my build diary on EuropaOwners.org. Here is the page on the ventilators: http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=63921 Here is the installation: http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=66265&g2_page=2 I list the sizes of hole saws needed & technique on individual pics. Best regards, Robert Borger, President Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc. Certified Petroleum Geophysicist AAPG#101 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 (H) 940-497-2123 (C) 817-992-1117 Sent from my iPad On Aug 28, 2012, at 11:17, Max Cointe wrote: Hi Ivor, How did you drill the holes, what tool did you use to make it clean? Max Cointe F-PMLH Europa_TriGear Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours mcointe@free.fr ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:17 PM PST US From: "craig" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Vertical trim friction device Mine moved initially, until I worked out my link arm was a little too long which Was causing it to jam at full travel. I shortened the link and the bending stopped Regards craig ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:35 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Ventilation ... From: "stephen vestuti" Robert, I'm thinking of using those vents also, Those pictures are a lot more use than the info. On the spruce website. they look fixed or does the inside rotate to direct air in any direction ? Steve. Europa #630 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382021#382021 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:41 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Ventilation ... Steve, The vents don't direct the air, as in up/down or left/right. They adjust the volume of air. As others have stated, they work very well at bringing in an impressive volume of air for their size. I suppose you could fabricate a box with an eyeball outlet to point it where you want it. Best regards, Robert Borger, President Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc. Certified Petroleum Geophysicist AAPG#101 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 (H) 940-497-2123 (C) 817-992-1117 Sent from my iPad On Aug 28, 2012, at 15:11, stephen vestuti wrote: Robert, I'm thinking of using those vents also, Those pictures are a lot more use than the info. On the spruce website. they look fixed or does the inside rotate to direct air in any direction ? Steve. 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