---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/29/12: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:34 AM - kIT FOR SALE (Gill & Rod Palmer) 2. 03:25 AM - Re: Mod 77 (G-IANI) 3. 07:41 AM - Re: Ventilation ... (AirEupora) 4. 11:36 AM - Vacuum Bagging (spcialeffects) 5. 05:45 PM - Re: Vacuum Bagging (K BURNS) 6. 05:49 PM - Re: Ventilation ... (phillik747) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:09 AM PST US From: "Gill & Rod Palmer" Subject: Europa-List: kIT FOR SALE Iv'e decided to offer my Tri Gear Xs for sale. The build is well advanced, all mandatory mods done, loads of Europa/club mods introduced, firewall fwd kit for Rotax 912 included. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:47 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 77 Frans Apologies for not replying earlier to your reply of 19/08. Andy Draper has had a sudden attack of needing to tidy up some of the paperwork. The result is a new Standard Mod (for the Andair fuel selector) and the Fuel Flow SM updated for the FT-60 (Red cube) flow sensor. Not much use if you know what you are doing but it makes the upgrades legal in the UK. I think it is worth saying that on Mod 77 I inherited a partially undocumented mess. Graham sold Mod 77 to David Stanbridge who then announced it as available. The fact that nobody at Europa had ever seen one (never mind built one) seems to have escaped David's notice. I think the bill of materials [BOM] used when you got your parts was the old one. I have checked with Europa and they are now using the new one included in the document. >> One very important thing: I had already installed a vent opening in the sternpost << Yes as I have on G-IANI. The pictures were taken on G-IRON which was being rebuilt so the hole was not needed. I will add a reference to adding this hole for a retro fit. If time permits I may do Mod 77 on G-IANI this winter and can photograph the work. >> Oh and there is no mention in the document about the connection of the rudder end of the push rod.<<. There is (see section 3.7) but it is easy to miss >>I received an EUR001 safety washer for it, the manual says to attach it similar as the other end, but as the rudder end has two lips instead of one the eye-bolt can't go anywhere anyway. I just put some AN416L washers on both ends between the lips.<< You are right I will try and make this clearer. >>I would also like to see a different way to attach the push rod to the rudder, as it is very difficult to tighten the nut on the AN4-bolt via the rudder gap. Maybe just a bolt with a cotter pin through it would do? Anyway, you can't access it with a normal socket, and with a spanner the clearance is not enough to make a sufficient turn. I ended up using two ratcheting spanners but just one "click" is all I can get, so it takes hours to tighten the nut. (And no, you can't connect the push rod to the rudder first, as there is no way you can handle two spanners through the hatch to tighten the other end afterwards (I can get only one hand in it at the same time). Now I think of it: Maybe an anchor nut on that metal plate would make things easier, instead of the nut and bolt.<< I think I prefer the idea of using an anchor nut on the CS33. >>Is there a reason why this is from steel instead of aluminium? We used aluminium for all the other controls in the ship (it looks like the aileron push rod is the same diameter but then in aluminium), so why has this one to be from heavy steel?<< I think it is just history and people being conservative. It is 100 grams heavier than the Al tube of this length. The forces on this rod are considerably higher than on the aileron rod and a structural engineer will need to convince the LAA that the Al tube would not bend. We make progress slowly Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:43 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Ventilation ... From: "AirEupora" The ones Europa puts in the kit didn't not last were long on my plane. I think on the second flight the outside flap fell off the plane. Now I have an ugly NACA vent hole on the pilot's side. Anybody have a flap that they didn't use. I'd like to replace the lost flap and cover the Naca vents and install the eyeball type vents. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382052#382052 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:01 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Vacuum Bagging From: "spcialeffects" Hi all, just about to start building my chock but have been looking at vacuum bagging when building the foam surfaces and just wanted to get peoples views and experiences thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382080#382080 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:44 PM PST US From: K BURNS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Vacuum Bagging Hi,=0A-=0AYou will need to peel ply your part avoiding wrinkles and crink les /folds, as they will leave marks, followed by a wading / wick layer,tha t soaks-up the excess resin that will be squeezed out ,-the timing of t he vacuum will contribute to the amount of resin that is squeezed out of th e lay-up if you suck too soon you will have a dry weakened joint. also ligh ter if that is your goal. =0A-=0AThe bag has to be carefully designed /co nstructed carefully to conform to the shape of the item.=0A-=0AYour compl ex bag with taped joints will be difficult to seal on any wrinkles and crea ses,=0A-=0AThe vacuum hose connection point needs to be clear of-the pa rt you are making-as it will leave a mark in the finished piece.=0A-=0A Check your hose and fittings before your next job.. its impossible to get a vacuum if its blocked with resin off your last job!=0A-=0AIf you- are not supported fully with your mould it will distort under 15 LB a square in ch pressure,leaving low spots.=0A-=0AThe vacuum-process is essential wh en forming repair sections as it is the-best method that will produce con sistent adhesion within the varius layers of glass-and foam-with-high strength /less weight.=0A-=0AThe applications you are suggesting are tri cky- but nothing is impossible, if you work backwards from the the finish ed article, and have loads of time, are very lucky and have many talents an d are gifted (or have a good mentor)!=0A-=0AThere a a few cheeky ways of getting perfect results from poor surfaced moulds but that is for another d ay!-=0A-=0AThat's all there is to it (up till now )!=0A-=0Aoh yes if you vacuum on to a mould,spread your -release wax to a point well clear o f the mould area on to your backing piece or expect to use your angle grind er to cut it free-.=0A-=0ARegards=0A-=0AKevin=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: spcialeffects =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, 29 August 20 12, 19:35=0ASubject: Europa-List: Vacuum Bagging=0A- =0A--> Europa-List message posted by: "spcialeffects" =0A=0AHi all, jus t about to start building my chock but have been looking at vacuum bagging when building the foam surfaces and just wanted to get peoples views and ex periences thanks=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://for ============= ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:11 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Ventilation ... From: "phillik747" AirEupora wrote: > Anybody have a flap that they didn't use. I'd like to replace the lost flap and cover the Naca vents and install the eyeball type vents. Man I just tossed mine right in the trash can a few months ago. Should have kept them for requests like yours. I'm planning on using the Ultimate Ventilator. When your passenger becomes air sick, the best thing for them is a face full of fresh air. 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