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Fri 08/31/12


Total Messages Posted: 6



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:54 AM - Leaking fuel tank sender (p-a.austin)
     2. 01:54 AM - Re: Leaking around fuel tank sender unit (stephen vestuti)
     3. 05:38 AM - Re: Re: Leaking around fuel tank sender unit (William Daniell)
     4. 06:34 AM - Re: Leaking around fuel tank sender unit (stephen vestuti)
     5. 12:54 PM - Tailplane jammed on with corrosion. (jonathanmilbank)
     6. 11:48 PM - Re: Vertical trim friction device (Remi Guerner)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:54:16 AM PST US
    From: "p-a.austin" <p-a.austin@xnet.co.nz>
    Subject: Leaking fuel tank sender
    > There is a split aluminium ring inside the tank with captive nuts attached > (the bolts did not feel as if much thread was actually engaged). Check your bolt lengths, when all assembled ( including gaskets) you should have at least two threads protruding past the captive nuts. > Brown sealant had been applied over the whole lot. There is fuel staining on > the tank facing surface of the inner rubber ring. You should not need either!! Replace the rubber with cork gasket material, appears the brown sealant was an attempted quick fix for the failure of the rubbers. > The tank material itself feels quite slippery - difficult to sand a good > key for sealant bonding. Especially difficult on the inside due to > restricted access. See above, just clean it off. Peter ZK-ZEB William


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    Time: 01:54:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Leaking around fuel tank sender unit
    From: "stephen vestuti" <s.vestuti@gmail.com>
    Hello William, I am also in the process of fitting the wema gauge in my fuel tank on a new buid - it also will be accessed later through the port headrest. I don't know what you've ordered from las but I've sent for PR1422A fuel tank sealant. Mine only came with a rubber gasket, so the sealant is mainly for the bolts although I will use it on both sides of the gasket as well as the bolts, Steve. # 630 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382189#382189


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    Time: 05:38:53 AM PST US
    From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
    Subject: Re: Leaking around fuel tank sender unit
    I did the same when I put the fuel sender in though I did it with the tank out of the aircraft. Now I look at it and wonder how on earth I am going to service it where it is...Someone suggested a much better place which would be between the headrests under an inspection plate. Does anyone have any ideas about how to access the sender unit once one has it in place under the head rest...errr perhaps turning the whole headrest into an inspection plate - cutting it off at the base and putting a base on it and bolting it down? Ideas anyone? Will -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of stephen vestuti Sent: 31 August, 2012 03:54 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Leaking around fuel tank sender unit --> <s.vestuti@gmail.com> Hello William, I am also in the process of fitting the wema gauge in my fuel tank on a new buid - it also will be accessed later through the port headrest. I don't know what you've ordered from las but I've sent for PR1422A fuel tank sealant. Mine only came with a rubber gasket, so the sealant is mainly for the bolts although I will use it on both sides of the gasket as well as the bolts, Steve. # 630 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382189#382189


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    Time: 06:34:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Leaking around fuel tank sender unit
    From: "stephen vestuti" <s.vestuti@gmail.com>
    Will, I had to put mine under the port headrest due to the length of the sender unit - it would fit between the headrests. however, where I've put it - next to the port headrest access hole, it is removable through that hole - perhaps yours is also ? Steve # 630 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382200#382200


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    Time: 12:54:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Tailplane jammed on with corrosion.
    From: "jonathanmilbank" <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
    On behalf of another Europa builder/pilot who is a good friend, I appeal for help. To put it mildly, we're getting desperate. Water found its way down one of the pip-pins and corrosion has spread several millimetres around the lower hole through torque-tube and bush, if the corrosion on the pin itself is anything to judge by. I first drilled and enlarged two holes through the flange underneath the tailplane, large enough to pass a screwdriver through and levered initially between the drive pins and rib to ensure that they weren't stuck. Then I enlarged the holes sufficiently to allow a foot-long screwdriver through, pressed its tip between the inboard rib and drive plate, clamped mole grips to the screwdriver shaft and proceeded to twist the tip each way. No luck. After blocking the drain hole underneath with tape, we drenched inside the pip-pin hole with ACF50 and using the advice given by Neville Eyre drove ever more tongue depressers into the gap between the flange of the tailplane and the side of the fuselage. This creates considerable outwards force. We left it for several days and returned to find that nothing had moved. Using a wooden block and hammer, we hit repeatedly against the exposed end of the torque tube in the vain hope that shock waves might get things moving. Finally we drenched the area again, this time with WD40 in the hope that it might penetrate the corrosion more effectively and left it again with tongue depressers in place and our fingers crossed. Our great fear is that the corrosion has taken hold under the nickel plating on the torque tube and caused it to bulge against the inside of the bush, in which case everything we're doing and have done probably won't work. We know that local heating isn't an option and I've even contemplated sliding a small piece of dry ice along the inside of the tube (past the 4 pins), but don't know what extreme cold might do to the foam/resin. Before we resort to cutting open the bottom of the tailplane and doing major surgery, please could someone tell us of any other trick to try. It's amazing that seemingly no-one else has ever had to deal with this problem in the Europa family. Is there some other fluid we haven't heard of which definitely won't cause harm to the surrounding materials? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382229#382229


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    Time: 11:48:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Vertical trim friction device
    From: "Remi Guerner" <air.guerner@orange.fr>
    Hi Frans, I believe the main purpose of this friction device is to prevent all the aerodynamic loads on the tabs to be supported by the little plastic linkage and gears of the RC Allen servo. It also prevents a catastrophic failure to occur in case of breakage of this linkage between the servo and the friction device. So obviously it is a very important safety feature. On my aircraft I once observed an important slack in the friction system which was due to the M5x60 bolt and M5 check nut on the bellcrank TS03 becoming loose. This was easily fixed with Loctite. I also found that adjusting the spring preload to the minimum and greasing the friction surfaces was better. Regards Remi Guerner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382265#382265




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